Blaziken as a playable character for brawl.

[Wrath`]

I dont get why people dont see the fact that blaziken can be the first true fire fighter(besides roy).

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

I dont get why people dont see the fact that blaziken can be the first true fire fighter(besides roy).

because it wouldnt be. you just stated that roy is the first true fire fighter and there can't be 2 first true fire fighters. besides, who even wants fire fighters anyway? i would rather have something else like a water fighter or a dragon fighter. fire is already in the game.

 

[Wrath`]

I mean as in first non-weapon user as a true FF.
Do you assosiate water with pain,besides typhoons down in alstrailia(i dont know how to spell that0

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

I mean as in first non-weapon user as a true FF.
Do you assosiate water with pain,besides typhoons down in alstrailia(i dont know how to spell that0

i really cbf with this. its pathetic. the first fire using fighter that doesnt use a sword? ooo! big deal! on top of that, fire is sooo much important compared to other elements that it just has to get in over them even if it is being represented enough already. by the way, use a dictionary. you're just embarasing yourself. alstrailia? lol...

 

[shadenexus18]

But I have a trump card you refuse to look at. Every person who has watched the movie comes out supporting Lucario to one degree or another. None will claim he lacks the potential for Brawl.

Youtube isn't that hard...

I'm not gonna lie, if Blaziken gets in Brawl, I will use him as my main, or if Lucario gets in instead of Blaziken, I will main him. Either way you slice it, we win bros!

 

[Black/Light]

Move-set change. . .

Some moves based on capoeira fighting style.vvv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fRKYxdHfitc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d3NLq372MYA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ta2fv0BcR-4 (the black guy)

Blaziken
Stats *****
Falls-***
Jumps- *****
Speed-***
Heavyness-***
Attack speed-***
Range- ****

B- Over heat. Blaziken throws a fast fire like ball the size of a basketball that has alot of power. As a result, Blaziken's fire moves become weaker for 8-10 moves. If over heat is used again before this 8-10 move are done it has less power and it takes more moves to get Blaziken's fire attacks to full again.

B^- Blaze kick. Blaziken pulls her upper body side ways toward the screen and positions her legs in a spinning side kick pose. Once in this position fire erupts from her foot causing her to spin counter clock wise at a upward angle (think Samus B^) but at the end she pulls out at the last moment to follow up with a upward kick (with the foot thats on fire).

Bv- Fire spin. Blaziken does a continuously rotating leg sweep which has fire flowing from it, spining around her body. This attack covers her from the bottom and both sides. Because of this it will last shorter than Browser's fire. She can trap an enemy in it if they are with in the inner part of the fire around her.( When done in the air Blaziken does a twirling like motion and has her arms mid way in the air. The fire spins in a drill like motion with the tip being right below her foot. This pushes/ dills Blaziken down untell she lands)

B>- Flare Drive. Blaziken hunchs over and grabs her wirst to charge up fire into her hand. Once released she does a continuous run forward holding her fire hand forward like a football tackle. The fire erputs from her hand well she is running with causes it to cover her whole body. That attack, if sweet spotted, can hold onto a character and force them back with on going damage well she runs at fell speed.

A- Blaziken begins with a left punch than follows with a upward right than goes into fast stabbing like side kicks (Moves about as fast as Link's stabs (Maybe alil faster)). They are side kicks going in random pattarns (Down, up, down, middle ect) that are fully leg bent. (So it looks more like side ways leg stomps)

A>- Blaziken bends down and puts both hands on the ground. Than she kicks with both feet at the same time into the mid-side direction well doing a hand stand(Lil knock back).

Av-Low Kick

A^- Drill peck. Blaziken bends down alil and pecks twice upward.

Fsmash- Blaziken does a upward back hill kick with fire that adds to it's range. It hits from her lowwer forward to her upper back.

Usmash- Back flip kick. Blaziken leans fare back, puts both hands on the ground while in a partly back flip pose with one leg mid bent and the other partly bent. The mid bent leg hits at the top (fully extens at the top) well the other follows and hits top. At the end Blaziken has done a full back flip in the exact spot she was in.

Dsmash-Fire kick. Blaziken does and fast/ low leg sweep with fire adding to it's range.

Nair- Blaziken does a fast upward kick with the side of her foot.

Uair- Blaziken does a front flip into a downward hill kick where she bends one leg sharply and keeps one fully extened. It's a spike.

Fair- Blaziken does a round house kick than ends with a side kick.

Bair- Fire Punch. Blaziken does a back fisted sweep with fire animation around it.

Dair- Blaziken dives down, at an angle, and does 5-6 fast stomp like stabbing kicks. (Much like C ocks do in C ock fights)

THROWS

Grab- Peak. Once Blaziken grabs a character she hits by pecking them.

Fthrow- Blaziken holds the character in the air with one hand, lets go and quickly leans fare back (while bending her right leg to get close to the ground), puts one hand on the ground behind her and does a upward side kick with her left leg (This is done VERY fast so the character only drops a lil bit).

Dthrow- Blaziken throws the character on the ground and stomps 10 times with fire animation on each stomp.

Bthrow- Blaziken turns, and with one hand, football throws the character than throws 2 small over-heat balls that are much weaker than the reg B over-heat so only 3 moves are needed to bring her fire to full power.

Uthrow- Blaziken holds the characte up with her left hand and upper cuts with her right.

Taunt

Blaziken puts both fore-arms, crossed into a X pose, in front of her face than pulls them to her side in a DBZ power up pose and yells BLAZZZIKENN!!!! While her fire grows to the point where you can't see her fore-arms.

Winning poses
Pose 1- Blaziken does a short hop flash kick, lands, than she does some fast cross kicks toward the screen.
Pose 2- Blaziken does a sweep kick with fire blazing from her foot. Than she gets up in a rotation, stops and tilts her head to the right well smoke comes from her foot.
Pose 3- Blaziken strikes a low fighting stance than sats her wrist a blaze.

What do you all think?

 

[Wrath`]

Speachless

 

[kaid]

Move-set change. . .

Some moves based on capoeira fighting style.vvv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fRKYxdHfitc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d3NLq372MYA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ta2fv0BcR-4 (the black guy)

Blaziken
Stats *****
Falls-***
Jumps- *****
Speed-***
Heavyness-***
Attack speed-***
Range- ****

B- Over heat. Blaziken throws a fast fire like ball the size of a basketball that has alot of power. As a result, Blaziken's fire moves become weaker for 8-10 moves. If over heat is used again before this 8-10 move are done it has less power and it takes more moves to get Blaziken's fire attacks to full again.

For the record, even though I do not prefer Blaze for Brawl, I created this attack for him. However, Blacklight left out the gritty details I'd worked up, so I just thought I'd add them.

It uses the anti-spamming system that is already in Melee. (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=58020)
However, instead of just counting toward Overheat itself, each use counts as Several attacks toward ALL his fire moves.

As you can see in that thread, in Melee it takes 10 moves to erase the penalty of any given move. If they keep that system, then it would mean all Blaz's fire moves are weaker for 10 moves afterward, not counting any reductions for actually USING fire moves during that time.

B^- Blaze kick. Blaziken pulls her upper body side ways toward the screen and positions her legs in a spinning side kick pose. Once in this position fire erupts from her foot causing her to spin counter clock wise at a upward angle (think Samus B^) but at the end she pulls out at the last moment to follow up with a upward kick (with the foot thats on fire).

Bv- Fire spin. Blaziken does a continuously rotating leg sweep which has fire flowing from it, spining around her body. This attack covers her from the bottom and both sides. Because of this it will last shorter than Browser's fire. She can trap an enemy in it if they are with in the inner part of the fire around her.( When done in the air Blaziken does a twirling like motion and has her arms mid way in the air. The fire spins in a drill like motion with the tip being right below her foot. This pushes/ dills Blaziken down untell she lands)

B>- Flare Drive. Blaziken hunchs over and grabs her wirst to charge up fire into her hand. Once released she does a continuous run forward holding her fire hand forward like a football tackle. The fire erputs from her hand well she is running with causes it to cover her whole body. That attack, if sweet spotted, can hold onto a character and force them back with on going damage well she runs at fell speed.

A- Blaziken begins with a left punch than follows with a upward right than goes into fast stabbing like side kicks (Moves about as fast as Link's stabs (Maybe alil faster)). They are side kicks going in random pattarns (Down, up, down, middle ect) that are fully leg bent. (So it looks more like side ways leg stomps)

A>- Blaziken bends down and puts both hands on the ground. Than she kicks with both feet at the same time into the mid-side direction well doing a hand stand(Lil knock back).

Av-Low Kick

A^- Drill peck. Blaziken bends down alil and pecks twice upward.

Fsmash- Blaziken does a upward back hill kick with fire that adds to it's range. It hits from her lowwer forward to her upper back.

Usmash- Back flip kick. Blaziken leans fare back, puts both hands on the ground while in a partly back flip pose with one leg mid bent and the other partly bent. The mid bent leg hits at the top (fully extens at the top) well the other follows and hits top. At the end Blaziken has done a full back flip in the exact spot she was in.

Dsmash-Fire kick. Blaziken does and fast/ low leg sweep with fire adding to it's range.

Nair- Blaziken does a fast upward kick with the side of her foot.

Uair- Blaziken does a front flip into a downward hill kick where she bends one leg sharply and keeps one fully extened. It's a spike.

Fair- Blaziken does a round house kick than ends with a side kick.

Bair- Fire Punch. Blaziken does a back fisted sweep with fire animation around it.

Dair- Blaziken dives down, at an angle, and does 5-6 fast stomp like stabbing kicks. (Much like C ocks do in C ock fights)

THROWS

Grab- Peak. Once Blaziken grabs a character she hits by pecking them.

Peck, I assume...

Fthrow- Blaziken holds the character in the air with one hand, lets go and quickly leans fare back (while bending her right leg to get close to the ground), puts one hand on the ground behind her and does a upward side kick with her left leg (This is done VERY fast so the character only drops a lil bit).

Dthrow- Blaziken throws the character on the ground and stomps 10 times with fire animation on each stomp.

Bthrow- Blaziken turns, and with one hand, football throws the character than throws 2 small over-heat balls that are much weaker than the reg B over-heat so only 3 moves are needed to bring her fire to full power.

Eh... shorting the time wouldn't be possible using the existing system, though you could reduce the effect. (Like, instead of counting as 3 moves for all your fire moves, it only counts as 2 or even 1 move for all of them)

Uthrow- Blaziken holds the characte up with her left hand and upper cuts with her right.

Taunt

Blaziken puts both fore-arms, crossed into a X pose, in front of her face than pulls them to her side in a DBZ power up pose and yells BLAZZZIKENN!!!! While her fire grows to the point where you can't see her fore-arms.

Winning poses
Pose 1- Blaziken does a short hop flash kick, lands, than she does some fast cross kicks toward the screen.
Pose 2- Blaziken does a sweep kick with fire blazing from her foot. Than she gets up in a rotation, stops and tilts her head to the right well smoke comes from her foot.
Pose 3- Blaziken strikes a low fighting stance than sats her wrist a blaze.

What do you all think?

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

i gotta give you credit for making a good unique moveset. i think sky uppercut should be in there somewherem but not as a B move. it could be an uair and the equivilent to c falcons fair (in other words, kind of like one of its most important moves)

im still against blaziken though... even with a good moveset, its fighting style still sounds boring.

 

[Black/Light]

For the record, even though I do not prefer Blaze for Brawl, I created this attack for him. However, Blacklight left out the gritty details I'd worked up, so I just thought I'd add them.

It uses the anti-spamming system that is already in Melee. (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=58020)
However, instead of just counting toward Overheat itself, each use counts as Several attacks toward ALL his fire moves.

As you can see in that thread, in Melee it takes 10 moves to erase the penalty of any given move. If they keep that system, then it would mean all Blaz's fire moves are weaker for 10 moves afterward, not counting any reductions for actually USING fire moves during that time.

Well, for the record, I remember this being more of a joint idea (My first idea was kind of REALLY over powered, like "Blaze charges up over-heat and as a result all fire moves become stronger but once the other fire attacks are used over-heat becomes weaker upon release" but I will say that you, for the most part, shaped it. . .like 60%)

And once I saw that you no longer supported Blaze I had to complete the changes to the move-set so that part most likely just got lost in translation.

Eh... shorting the time wouldn't be possible using the existing system, though you could reduce the effect. (Like, instead of counting as 3 moves for all your fire moves, it only counts as 2 or even 1 move for all of them)

Well, for the most part, that was your system so I had no idea how well to applie it to this attack.
I will make the changes later. . .

 

[Wrath`]

i gotta give you credit for making a good unique moveset. i think sky uppercut should be in there somewherem but not as a B move. it could be an uair and the equivilent to c falcons fair (in other words, kind of like one of its most important moves)

im still against blaziken though... even with a good moveset, its fighting style still sounds boring.

The thing is that you can come up with many move sets for blaze,lucario,hitmons,gengar,marowack.
But it is hard to come up with one for dragy.I f you could you can proably change my mind about him.I just see no potenial currently.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

The thing is that you can come up with many move sets for blaze,lucario,hitmons,gengar,marowack.
But it is hard to come up with one for dragy.I f you could you can proably change my mind about him.I just see no potenial currently.

yeah, right... click on that picture in my signature

 

[shadenexus18]

Black/Light should become a moderator; he's got talent!

 

[LaniusShrike]

Hmm. Did anyone see my post on page 8?
I like black/light's moveset. It seems very graphically pleasing... but I don't feel like it adds many new elements, other than the over heat move. I think my up and down B moves would make Blaziken an actual worthwhile and interesting addition. I think the game needs someone who can point any direction and send the enemy there...
Though really I just want Mewtwo's side b to be changed to a telekinesis throw like that.
Also, Mirror Move is one Blaziken's attacks that can be learned through levelling up. Seems like that warrants inclusion. Seeing Blaziken's model doing any move that anyone else could do would be awesome- kind of like doing moveswap with AR. Really kind of fun.

 

[Bolshoi]

I mean as in first non-weapon user as a true FF.
Do you assosiate water with pain,besides typhoons down in alstrailia(i dont know how to spell that0

Not to be picky....but wouldn't Captain Falcon technically be the first Fire Fighter? And he doesn't use a weapon, so......

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

I'm not gonna lie, if Blaziken gets in Brawl, I will use him as my main, or if Lucario gets in instead of Blaziken, I will main him. Either way you slice it, we win bros!

yeah, and if phoenix from f zero gets in, you'll main him to. how many mains are you going to have? wait, you can only have 1 main...

btw, on top of Blaziken having sky upper as an uair, it should have mega kick as its nair. basicly, it would be a sex kick that gets more powerful as it is out and would have a sweetspot at the bottom of Blazikens leg (it would be more powerful if it is used as an axe kick in other words).
it has used this variation of mega kick in the anime before...

 

[Wrath`]

yeah, and if phoenix from f zero gets in, you'll main him to. how many mains are you going to have? wait, you can only have 1 main...

btw, on top of Blaziken having sky upper as an uair, it should have mega kick as its nair. basicly, it would be a sex kick that gets more powerful as it is out and would have a sweetspot at the bottom of Blazikens leg (it would be more powerful if it is used as an axe kick in other words).
it has used this variation of mega kick in the anime before...

You can have more than one main.Meaga kick would like a normal one unless you made it shine

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

You can have more than one main.

i should come up with some quote for whenever i use...

1. most important element

there can only be one most important element... therefore there can only be 1 main, as in someones most important character.

Meaga kick would like a normal one unless you made it shine

ummm... whatever? i just think like it would be like the one Combusken uses in the anime episode: "Spontaneous Combusken"

 

[kaid]

Fierce... try looking up "Co-main"

It means two or more elements equally balanced as the most important part.

 

[shadenexus18]

yeah, and if phoenix from f zero gets in, you'll main him to. how many mains are you going to have? wait, you can only have 1 main...

btw, on top of Blaziken having sky upper as an uair, it should have mega kick as its nair. basicly, it would be a sex kick that gets more powerful as it is out and would have a sweetspot at the bottom of Blazikens leg (it would be more powerful if it is used as an axe kick in other words).
it has used this variation of mega kick in the anime before...

In Melee, I'm very talented with a group of characters I have dubbed "The Alliance." They are Luigi, Link, Ganon, & Falco. Also, I have discovered that having more than 1 main makes you less predictable & you can adapt to any situation by matching up a particular character with one that usually gives that character a difficult time. They are my mains & the only ones I pick in serious tournament play. So yeah, I tend to have a total of 4 mains. In Brawl, I'm going to have more than one main as well.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

Fierce... try looking up "Co-main"

It means two or more elements equally balanced as the most important part.

people here usually have 1 main character they use if they're forced to picked first, followed by what we call secondaries and so on.

 

[shadenexus18]

Maybe the reason why I win tournaments because I follow my gut when picking a character, but I'm getting off topic.

Blaziken costumes or alternate colors should contain shade's of black, sterling silver, jade, & blue to substitute for red.

 

[Wrath`]

people here usually have 1 main character they use if they're forced to picked first, followed by what we call secondaries and so on.

ONe main?well that prooves I could beat you.

ONTOPIC:Does anyone know if blaze is popular in jpn?I know he is here in the states.

 

[Joka]

What about Lucario as well?

 

[eazail]

Sandslash darnit!!

I agree!! 100%

 

[kaid]

Lucario is something like 5th in Japan, behind Gardevor, and that 4th gen bunny. Blaze isn't even counted.

 

[Black/Light]

Funny thing is that Blaze places 1-2 here well Gardevoir has a small fan-base. Their like mirroring fan-bases. . . Gardevoir has her small, but still there, fan-base here and Blaze has her small, but still there, fan-base there.
(Blaze/ Lucario are just the "cool" looking pokemon that they want)

 

[Wrath`]

yes but jpn said they would take into concideration what american players wanted.

 

[kaid]

That could just mean adding Metroid rep. Japaneese HATE the Prime subseries.

 

[Wrath`]

It's wierd i relly dont care what pokemon makes it.I care enough to argue of corse,but the only thing that would be a dissipointment to me would be if both falco and gannon didnt make it.

 

[Black/Light]

Actually, we can't say what that means at all seeing as we have yet to see all the characters. It could mean putting in a few US/UK wanted only characters like Blaze/ Lil Mac/ Jill Drill (guessing. . . alot of what I see people "want" now just seems to reflict the poll with the large abuse of said poll in arguments. . .) . And if Lucario got in it would be because of the US/UK seeing as their love at least 4 pokemon alot more than him. His fan-base seems to have tooken a hit there bcause of the game showing that he aint that great (looks coo, not to much other than that).

Personaly, he is tied with the rabbit for my support (well, the rabbits abit higher).

Edit- Wasn't Ridly on that list?

 

[kaid]

yep. Ridley was tied with Diddy, Ike, and someone else for second.

Japaneese liked Gunpei's Metroid, not Retro's Prime.

 

[Joka]

Actually, we can't say what that means at all seeing as we have yet to see all the characters. It could mean putting in a few US/UK wanted only characters like Blaze/ Lil Mac/ Jill Drill (guessing. . . alot of what I see people "want" now just seems to reflict the poll with the large abuse of said poll in arguments. . .) . And if Lucario got in it would be because of the US/UK seeing as their love at least 4 pokemon alot more than him. His fan-base seems to have tooken a hit there bcause of the game showing that he aint that great (looks coo, not to much other than that).

Personaly, he is tied with the rabbit for my support (well, the rabbits abit higher).

Edit- Wasn't Ridly on that list?

OK, I know Jill is that girl from Drill Dozer, but who is Lil Mac?

 

[Black/Light]

The boxer from "Punch Out!!!".

Just some old boxing game on Nintendo. . .

 

[Zook]

I care enough to argue of corse,but the only thing that would be a dissipointment to me would be if both falco and gannon didnt make it.

If Blaziken did make, he'd definately and undoubtedly replace Gannon as Falcon's clone.

Erlade for the win.

 

[Black/Light]

If Blaziken did make, he'd definately and undoubtedly replace Gannon as Falcon's clone.

Erlade for the win.

Yeah, The divs would DECLONE a already clone character and than make another CLONE of the original character that was cloned in the first place, even after they said that they don't want any more CLONES of characters.
Riiiight. . . .

 

[kaid]

Technically, all Sakurai said was that returning characters would be remade. The word "Clones" was never uttered, nor was there any mention of NEW characters.

 

[Black/Light]

Actually, he also said that he wants to make the returning characters "more original" than they where before (as in, declone the clones of past characters. Could be read the same thou). And he ALSO said that he wants to add more unique characters (so why would he add more clones?)
Why on earth would he call them clones? Thats a fan-made name like "Wave dashing" and so on. We all know who he is talking about. . . .no need for him to use fan slang.

 

[kaid]

I don't recall those lines. Could you source them?

 

[Black/Light]

Im pretty sure I saw that on the translations before it got reformed into this by S/P. . ."But, although you'll see characters from the last game, this time, on a significant scale [Yes, this is exact], they will be remade. It is this sort of thing [This sentence is slang, so there really isn't a good English translation for it]."
As I said before "Could be read the same thou"

Edit, Im sure I could dig it up some where but that would have to be done later.