Black Knight for Brawl (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[Numa Dude]

Thanks for the compliment and about the Super Smash being too violent there is no blood so to me it's not too violent. BTW Luigi isn't a true clone.

 

[Wiseguy]

Thanks for the compliment and about the Super Smash being too violent there is no blood so to me it's not too violent. BTW Luigi isn't a true clone.

He may not be a "true" clone in your opinion, but much of his moveset is copied from Mario's. In my book, that makes him a clone, albeit a really well done clone.

But you didn't answer my question. Couldn't your moveset be made for an Ike clone?

 

[Numa Dude]

Luigi isn't a true clone because they didn't take Mario's wire frame and just slap a Luigi skin on it he has an original body. While Ike could have a moveset like that I doubt he would because Ike isn't as hands on as BK if that makes any sense. Black Knight to me seems like the kind of guy to just dive into a battle and kill everything while Ike seems like the stick and move type IMO.

 

[Chief Mendez]

From the game, it's very much the opposite. BK shows up, cooly does his business, then GsTFO. Ike (at least my Ike) does all the head-on fighting.

 

[Numa Dude]

Well no one in PoR really was a challenge to BK so maybe if he was around more worthy adversaries he would go a little wild.

 

[Wiseguy]

Luigi isn't a true clone because they didn't take Mario's wire frame and just slap a Luigi skin on it he has an original body. While Ike could have a moveset like that I doubt he would because Ike isn't as hands on as BK if that makes any sense. Black Knight to me seems like the kind of guy to just dive into a battle and kill everything while Ike seems like the stick and move type IMO.

I understand what your saying, but Ike and BK behaved nearly identically on the battles in PoR. So why not do what they did with Ganondorf (and possibly Luigi): clone Ike's moveset and make up one or two original attacks?

 

[Chief Mendez]

Well no one in PoR really was a challenge to BK so maybe if he was around more worthy adversaries he would go a little wild.

Greil? Lv.20 Ike? He fought some worthy opponents, and both times he's very calculating/smooth/unerring.

In any case, both he and Ike (and, well, everyone in PoR--**** 3D battle animations) was pretty generic in the attacks department. So it's hard to say.

 

[Numa Dude]

I understand what your saying, but Ike and BK behaved nearly identically on the battles in PoR. So why not do what they did with Ganondorf (and possibly Luigi): clone Ike's moveset and make up one or two original attacks?

They very easily COULD make him a clone but give him some original attacks but the question is will they.

 

[Wiseguy]

They very easily COULD make him a clone but give him some original attacks but the question is will they.

An even better question would be: why wouldn't they when the two are so similar?

 

[Numa Dude]

The answer to that question Wiseguy is because the more original movesets the better. I don't hate clones in any way but original movesets are better.

 

[Wiseguy]

The answer to that question Wiseguy is because the more original movesets the better. I don't hate clones in any way but original movesets are better.

But if they were going to include an original character, wouldn't they select a more unique character from the Fire Emblem series?

Don't get me wrong, I want BK in Brawl more than any other character (except Olimar) but his chances are extremly low unless he is included as a clone.

As I've said repeatedly, clones can incorporated into the game in a fraction of the time that an original character would require. I just don't understand your hosility to clones, as they allow many more characters to be included before the game's release - however far in the future that may be.

 

[Numa Dude]

But if they were going to include an original character, wouldn't they select a more unique character from the Fire Emblem series?

BK is unique, He is the first villain to be in two FE games (I think) and is the most mysterious. Plus there is the armor the sword and the surprise of who he is we find out in GoD.

Don't get me wrong, I want BK in Brawl more than any other character (except Olimar) but his chances are extremly low unless he is included as a clone.

I don't see how.

As I've said repeatedly, clones can incorporated into the game in a fraction of the time that an original character would require. I just don't understand your hosility to clones, as they allow many more characters to be included before the game's release - however far in the future that may be.

I already said I don't hate clones I just think original movesets are better. If clones do make it into brawl I'll be upset everyone didn't get an original moveset but I'll get over it quickly (Especially if we get like over 50 characters).

 

[Wiseguy]

BK is unique, He is the first villain to be in two FE games (I think) and is the most mysterious. Plus there is the armor the sword and the surprise of who he is we find out in GoD.

BK certainly brings a unique presense to Brawl, but in terms of his moveset he isn't original at all.

Sorry, but I just can't fathom why the Smash team would make an original moveset for BK when he could be easily included as a Luigi style clone (with some copied moves and a few new ones).

 

[Numa Dude]

You make it seem like the smash team is trying to avoid doing to much work. The smash team will not cheat a deserving character out of an original moveset just because he could easily be a clone. The only reason I think BK might be a clone is the fact that they where taught by the same man so kind of like the relationship Mario and Luigi have they will have a same yet different moveset on purpose.

 

[Wiseguy]

You make it seem like the smash team is trying to avoid doing to much work. The smash team will not cheat a deserving character out of an original moveset just because he could easily be a clone. The only reason I think BK might be a clone is the fact that they where taught by the same man so kind of like the relationship Mario and Luigi have they will have a same yet different moveset on purpose.

Look, neither you nor I know Sakurai's policy towards clones in Brawl. I know you have pointed out in the past that since Brawl has no set release date (that we know of) the team could take as much time as it takes to design a unique moveset for every single character. However, judging by the Smash team's decisions in the Melee roster, I'm guessing we can still expect some clones. No matter how long the Samsh Team has to work on Brawl, they can still include many more characters within that time if they include some clones.

And I don't understand what you mean by Luigi being "the same yet different" from Mario. My understanding is that Luigi's moveset is cloned from Mario, only he was given drastically different stats and some original attacks - although I could be wrong.

 

[Numa Dude]

Look, neither you nor I know Sakurai's policy towards clones in Brawl.

I've heard people say he doesn't like them but thats not official.

I know you have pointed out in the past that since Brawl has no set release date (that we know of) the team could take as much time as it takes to design a unique moveset for every single character.

It's been confirmed recently for definite 07 release but thats it.

However, judging by the Smash team's decisions in the Melee roster, I'm guessing we can still expect some clones. No matter how long the Samsh Team has to work on Brawl, they can still include many more characters within that time if they include some clones.

I see where your getting at. They may add clones late in development as bonuses. That is the only way I can see clones in but the more I think about it the more that seems likely.

And I don't understand what you mean by Luigi being "the same yet different" from Mario. My understanding is that Luigi's moveset is cloned from Mario, only he was given drastically different stats and some original attacks - although I could be wrong.

Luigi is both a clone and not a clone at the same time. Unlike other clones his wire frame wasn't copied by someone else but like other clones he has basically the same attacks as the one he is a clone of with some different ones and changed stats.

 

[Wiseguy]

Well Numa Dude it appears we agree on something: an original moveset for BK would be preferable, but including him as a Luigi-style clone is still possible. Personally, I'll just be happy if he gets in, no matter what form he takes.

In conclusion...

IKE AND THE BLACK KNIGHT FOR BRAWL!!!!

 

[Zarasai]

Well Numa Dude it appears we agree on something: an original moveset for BK would be preferable, but including him as a Luigi-style clone is still possible. Personally, I'll just be happy if he gets in, no matter what form he takes.

In conclusion...

IKE AND THE BLACK KNIGHT FOR BRAWL!!!!

sounds about right to me :D

 

[KidSmash]

very possible Luigi-like clone, i like it
btw, very nice conclusion W.G

 

[Numa Dude]

(Off topic) does anyone know an exact release date for GoD in north America?

 

[Saimdusan]

I would say Marth, Ike and Black Knight for Brawl.

I used to say Sothe, because originally he was thought to be the main character of FE Wii, but he's not. He only is in part of the game (and even Ike is the main character in part of the game). At least according to Wikipedia.

 

[Wiseguy]

(Off topic) does anyone know an exact release date for GoD in north America?

Unfortunatly, there hasn't been a North American release date (Curse you Nintendo! Why must you constantly toy with us?!) but it is a certainty that it will be released worldwide before year's end. I'd say we'll probably get it around the same time that we got PoR (October-ish).

I would say Marth, Ike and Black Knight for Brawl.

I used to say Sothe, because originally he was thought to be the main character of FE Wii, but he's not. He only is in part of the game (and even Ike is the main character in part of the game). At least according to Wikipedia.

Welcome to the winning side Saimdusan. Ike & BK all the way!

However, why would they include both Ike and Marth? Seems a little redundant to two male, blue haired sword weilding lords with capes if you ask me. I think Miciaiah (the other main lord from GoD) is far more original and deserving than Marth, who's games aren't available to the majority of Fire Emblem fans.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Note: according to Nintendo Power, it's "Macaiah". I expect everyone to start spelling it thusly from now on.

 

[Wiseguy]

Note: according to Nintendo Power, it's "Macaiah". I expect everyone to start spelling it thusly from now on.

Good to know. I'll try to remeber that in the future.

 

[angelsandairwaveslee]

he will so not be in the game

 

[Wiseguy]

he will so not be in the game

Says you...

 

[Chief Mendez]

he will so not be in the game

When you say "he", I'm assuming you mean Krazy Kenny K., right?

I'm with you. I know it's a hotly debated topic, but I really don't think the creator of the PlayStation's going to make the list, no matter how requested or popular he is.

 

[angelsandairwaveslee]

no the black knight

 

[Stryks]

^^^
The guy is really negative, and sooner or l8r will become very hateful, black knight has a big chance, among FE characters at least, being Ike main enemy/rival and being now in 2 games, in one playable, and is the main enemy in PoR (dont know in GoD)

 

[angelsandairwaveslee]

is he in it?

 

[Stryks]

We obviosuly dont know yet, but u cant ignore his chances are quite high in the FE part of characters...

 

[Wiseguy]

is he in it?

Yes, my concise friend, The Black Knight is in Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn.

Maybe if you told us why you are against the Black Knight appearing in Brawl we could get an intellegent discussion going.

 

[Zarasai]

what? this is smashboards. intelligent discussion is an oxymoron here 90% of the time. lol

 

[Wiseguy]

True. But one can always hope...

 

[Pyr0]

I dont know if you guys know, but The Black Knight's real name is

Spoiler

Zeriugioso

or something like that, wich once Wsternized would be something like

Spoiler

Zelgius

(Wich actualy fits good IMO)

I really want him to be in Brawl, hes one bad A*s villian.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Cover that spoiler!!! Some people don't want to know just yet!

I already know because I'm a spoiler ***** and I have no self restraint, but some people have probably tried to avoid it at all costs and won't apreciate you blurting it out like that.

 

[KidSmash]

yeah please dude, spoilers must be covered up
we dont want any problem here o_0

 

[Pyr0]

Spoilers got in.

 

[dynamic_entry]

he looks like a darknut.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

he looks like a darknut.

From which game?