Bill Trinen states that Melee doesnt feel "right" Tonight after New Smash

[Pyra]

I'm wondering when people notice that I replied to his tweet with "Awesome news".

I don't think he's going to reply to D1.

 

[Deleted member]

Bill's tweet was either an innocent musing about trans-game physics adjustment, or a coldly calculated catalyst for a deliberate and cruel experiment by Nintendo.

We are all just Guinea Pigs to them. Our only purpose is so they can watch us slowly tear each other apart. Oh god, it's happening already!

 

[Kuraudo]

And look at the abuse the melee competitive community also endured from some "brawl fans" and I use that term lightly since I know it is just a subset of people who are really just jerks. It goes both ways, end of discussion.

Now....Lets just sit back and watch and wait. Dis should be gud.

Hahah, yeah. For sure. But the ire was definitely tilted in Brawl's direction by comparison, but talking about this isn't really a good idea.

Though to be honest I'm just drawing parallels and getting deja vu from this. lol

I'm just sitting here hyped up as can be.

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

Hahah, yeah. For sure. But the ire was definitely tilted in Brawl's direction by comparison

It was a 1 way street.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I have my Ridley-sized hat, my Ridley-sized popcorn bucket filled with Ridley-sized popcorn, and Ridley-sized running shoes in case I have to abandon this thread.

 

[κomıc]

Could be interpreted one of two ways.
1) "No longer feels right" means that Smash 4 plays a lot better now and really just feels like a better version of the game than melee ever was. (This is highly unlikely)

When you compare a product that has spent a longer time cooking in the oven versus a product that was undercooked to be put out for a last minute dinner, the bolded doesn't hold true.

Clunky is the definition of Melee. He just might be referring to that. Not saying it is a bad game but notice how he doesn't bring up Smash 64 or Brawl. Alternatively, maybe he didn't touch those two games to compare but as it stands today, Melee isn't the perfect game that many people believe. Far from it in terms of gameplay and polish. The biggest factor being that there was a seven year gap between Melee and Brawl. Nothing to compare Melee and no impending release any time soon up until Brawl's announcement in 2005.

I think people's expectations are clouding judgement on later iterations for the series and are often overzealous about later Smash Bros titles. It's tragic, really. And it creates this huge divide int he community that doesn't have to be there.

In any case, Smash 4 is set to be the best in the series with the amount of content, work they put into balancing, characters, stages, music and a bountiful of other neat shenanigans that I think a huge Nintendo fan would enjoy.

Competitive players? Well, obviously there are many who are passionate and love Nintendo's properties but it sounds like the most vocal aren't in the loop when it comes to franchises outside of Smash Bros based on my observations. No shade, but one shouldn't hold their opinion so highly when they've been in a bubble the whole time and downplaying what they deem as casual's say or believe when they [casuals] often enjoy Smash Bros for more reasons than one. I see that a lot here and it is objectively clear that Smash Bros was designed to cater a broad audience and not just one. It shouldn't lose its competitive image just because it isn't exactly the same or like a rushed launch game from over 10 years past.

But even then, come release of the 3DS and later the Wii U version and within months, there should be no surprise when the forums get overtaken by threads bashing Smash 4 and holding Melee high and above. I believe Melee will always have its big fanbase but it's discouraging to see people get swayed so easily and feel like they HAVE to go back to an old game because "You're not serious if you don't play Melee."

Complete rubbish.

Hyperbole: Melee is bad because it doesn't have the great Lady Palutena.

EDIT: I just want to make something clear...

I have FABULOUS memories of all Smash Bros. games. I enjoyed them for what they were at the same and what they mean to me today. I may prefer one over the other, but at the end of the day, it's a great series and I think that lots of people are robbing themselves from enjoying the games. Loosen up and have fun. This shouldn't be a grand issue. I understand people are passionate about the competitive side of Smash Bros but that shouldn't be the forefront of enjoying a video game.

 

[Little_GotenSRK]

Countdown to the Trinenocalypse begins . . .

Shoutouts to the Great War. http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Great_War

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

You may not rip him a new one, but you'd be surprised at how far fans can go for something they love. Just look at the abuse that Brawl endured.

Yes, Brawl endured a lot of abuse - Crippling tournament raids, "Tripping sucks!" drive-bys, and really mean letters about the game shared by postage. At tournaments, sometimes you couldn't even find where your match-up station was because there would be a swarm of rabid Melee players just body blocking the controller ports. I swear, there were dark days when nobody wanted to play our game and it obviously didn't have anything to do with the game and everything to do with the state of their humanity. Don't people know how much they hurt a community by not playing a game even if they don't want to play it?

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I didn't know Bill was such a dirty playa'. ¦D

 

[Senario]

Competitive players? Well, obviously there are many who are passionate and love Nintendo's properties but it sounds like the most vocal aren't in the loop when it comes to franchises outside of Smash Bros based on my observations. No shade, but one shouldn't hold their opinion so highly when they've been in a bubble the whole time and downplaying what they deem as casual's say or believe when they [casuals] often enjoy Smash Bros for more reasons than one. I see that a lot here and it is objectively clear that Smash Bros was designed to cater a broad audience and not just one. It shouldn't lose it's competitive image just because it isn't exactly the same or like a rushed launch game from over 10 years past.

But even then, come release of the 3DS and later the Wii U version and within months, there should be no surprise when the forums get overtaken by threads bashing Smash 4 and holding Melee high and above. I believe Melee will always have its big fanbase but it's discouraging to see people get swayed so easily and feel like they HAVE to go back to an old game because "You're not serious if you don't play Melee."

Complete rubbish.

1) It was a post made half in jest, no need to take it seriously.
2) I play Fire Emblem, Zelda, Mario platformers and mario kart, Animal crossing, Tomodachi life, Pokemon, Xenoblade and so on ): Y U gotta say that somebody that is vocal isn't invested in other franchises?
3) Nobody is saying it needs to be exactly the same dude...Look at All of the interviews of the invitational people on Clash Tournaments.
4) Well if the game is pleasantly giving depth and options the majority opinion won't be hate and will likely be some very few vocal players.
5) Nobody feels that they have to go back to an old game because "You're not serious" that is peer pressure, they go back to the old game because it is more fun to them lol. Literally nobody shames you for playing something else or saying you aren't serious if you don't play melee. We wouldn't have stuck with it this long otherwise.

6) Need a reply to D1 ASAP, I really want to see what he means or what happens.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

When I saw the title of this thread I thought "Ugh, who let this out? Reddit handled it well, but we really didn't need it here. Now to read through the 30 or so posts of salt."

On topic, I see this as two possible things:
1. Bill expressing how Melee feels different after playing Smash 4 for so long. Understandable, PM felt clunky to me after playing Brawl for a year and a half. Brawl felt clunky after playing PM for 6+ months. Pretty normal sentiment.
2. Marketing. According to everyone's favourite source of information, Wikipedia, Bill describes his Treehouse duties as "helping explain to people at Nintendo what the cool new features of the games are and points to focus on in PR and marketing". This wouldn't surprise me at all. Bill could just be trying to advertise Smash 4 as the definitive next-gen Smash experience lol. IT FEELS SO SMOOTH GAIZ! 60FPS! 1080p! 0 LAG! NOW IN BLURAY HD!!!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

it's twitter guys

140 characters just like this post is about to be doesn't let you expose your opinion well and who cares

 

[himemiya]

Thats no different from transitioning from brawl/melee to p:m. Something tells me that user never played any other smash games other than melee.

 

[Crimnonin]

Don't do this to me Bullet Bill. I really don't like roller coasters. Just tell us what you mean!

 

[StarLight42]

Bill making a bold claim there, hope he doesn't end up eating his words.

 

[κomıc]

1) It was a post made half in jest, no need to take it seriously.
2) I play Fire Emblem, Zelda, Mario platformers and mario kart, Animal crossing, Tomodachi life, Pokemon, Xenoblade and so on ): Y U gotta say that somebody that is vocal isn't invested in other franchises?
3) Nobody is saying it needs to be exactly the same dude...Look at All of the interviews of the invitational people on Clash Tournaments.
4) Well if the game is pleasantly giving depth and options the majority opinion won't be hate and will likely be some very few vocal players.
5) Nobody feels that they have to go back to an old game because "You're not serious" that is peer pressure, they go back to the old game because it is more fun to them lol. Literally nobody shames you for playing something else or saying you aren't serious if you don't play melee. We wouldn't have stuck with it this long otherwise.

6) Need a reply to D1 ASAP, I really want to see what he means or what happens.

I wasn't targeting specifically you and I read your entire post. I only wanted to address that specific point you made. And when you say "Nobody", trust and believe that there are lots of people who want it that way or want it as close to Melee as possible. I've seen the interviews and I enjoyed what these players had to say. And I did enjoy their bluntness at times (though, it annoyed me a bit when Milktea referred to Kirby as a female... He's 22 years old now!).

Also, keep in mind that Mr. Trinen is essentially promoting a video game his company is publishing. Could be slick marketing to entice people to look into the game and candidly persuade the skeptics into checking it out even after the massive storm of people running the game through the mud last month.

 

[Shaya]

Such a shallow topic for such a really fast moving thread, full of so many bad spam posts (I count 17 infractable posts...). I don't think we need entire threads dedicated to a single person's single twitter message, especially as any post of content and correct context thus far is basically rehashed flame baiting...