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Omni

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I dont do lengthy posts :p

Omni I was all for lynching BY all day. I gave reasons I felt he should go.

Always thought Kirbyo can go to

Hey Omni in yoru post you say who you leave: Jungle, Mac, Kevin, Ryker, Kirb, Ronike, and Steel.

But below that you don't mention mac or steel. What about them?
you're not in my lynch pool. the "list" that was leftover was from Cello's most likely unintentional clearing of people by trying to divert attention from himself. not sure if u did, but read the exact post that i mentioned about Cello doing that

but to comment on the rest of cast:

idk about u.
mac is gg.
idk about steel. i wanted him and ronike to die earlier in Day 1 but as time went by i just find myself being less comfortable with ronike's performance

i also saw Ronike viewing the forum after i made my rather lengthy post. just small things like that add to the fact that im already uncomfortable with him being alive
 

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Oh okay, you just mentioned everyone else after Cello "cleared them" minus mac and steel, that's what i wanted to know.
 

Omni

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didnt think i had to ask, but what do you think about my thoughts
 

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KevinM (4) - Macman, §teel, Ryker, Omni
Kirbyoshi (1) - Gheb_01

Not voting (5): Nix2100, Bunglefevah, KevinM, Ronike, Kirbyoshi

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3/1 - Omni, Bunglefevah, Ryker, §teel, Gheb_01, Macman, KevinM
inactive i guess - Kirbyoshi, Nix2100, Ronike

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with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

deadline = 3/11 midnight
 

Omni

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you guys should stop talking. we're obviously waiting for certain people to answer questions. arguing over the semantics of a wagon on two obvious suspicious players is just fluff.
 

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didnt think i had to ask, but what do you think about my thoughts
ehh? I already said Kirbyo can go yo. I don't know what to think about Ronike. He's definitely not playing like I'm used to seeing him play.

vote: Kirbyoshi
 

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Gheb said:
I eXplained it before. Read!
NO you didn't. You just piggybacked on Omni's case.

My top 3 suspicions (in no particular order) are as follows:

Gheb
Omni
Ronike

I'll do some in-thread research to find which of them is the most scummy though.

Kevin is town, and should not be lynched.
 

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ehh? I already said Kirbyo can go yo. I don't know what to think about Ronike. He's definitely not playing like I'm used to seeing him play.

vote: Kirbyoshi
ive been V/LA for a while.

do you mind going out of your comfort zone and committing more than just the obvious? what are your thoughts on the game in general and my analysis of the game?

you're playing a really safe game here, jungle.

basically, in a addition to the questions i just asked, do you mind going more in-depth
 

Omni

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ninja'd, but... o_O @ Kirbyoshi

so he's an auto dumb/scum case. let's see what kevin has to say on his reread and his response to questions given to him
 

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ive been V/LA for a while.

do you mind going out of your comfort zone and committing more than just the obvious? what are your thoughts on the game in general and my analysis of the game?

you're playing a really safe game here, jungle.

basically, in a addition to the questions i just asked, do you mind going more in-depth
Yeah dude.

This game has just kinda been like blah to me. BY made D1 tough to get through for me since he kept promising some post then it was just ike wtf are you doing. So i placed my vote on him and then came a fwe more and he was lynched.

Cello's ********. Not much more I can say about that. D2 also went a bit too quickly for my liking. Definitely could see scum bussing such ridiculosuly ******** play.

On that note, not liking Steel in addition to Kirbyo. Steels 'big post' didn't much more than a recap, trying to be helpful.

Getting town on mac, but mac scares me ever since BWM.
 

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Omni, do you think you could go more in-depth as to why you think I'm a D/S case? Just saying "OMG that was a stupid post" just doesn't cut it.
 

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I am kind of liking the Kirby vote.....After I posted saying that we should lynch Cello...later on in the day, Kirby comes and puts Cello at -1 who later comes in and hammers himself...effectively cutting the day short and ceasing all conversations....Im also kind of curious


Yeah, Cello is scum. We can go after Ronike toMorrow. Doc/vig, cop/mason, AND JoAT is just too much. What a crap claim. Combined with his misuse of it, he's teh scummiest.

Unvote Ronike, Vote: Cello_Marl

the Doc/Vig was Blue Yoshi, and Tom was the cop....but where the crap did you get mason from?
 

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@Kirb: yea it does.

can you think of a reason why no one takes what you have to say with any merit at this point in the game? could it possibly be your horrible argument on tom? or your sudden switch from tom from instead of finding him NEUTRAL you find him to be townie? or maybe that your new target was me of all people you could've suspected? or how your suspicions on me were simply a single post dissected in an extremely horrible manner in an attempt to justify a support wagon from Gheb? and now you're suspected Gheb, Me, and Ronike? have u ever made a case on Gheb or Ronike? if u did, if it was similar to the case you made on me then... =/

it does cut it from the perspective of people actually playing this game. i guess if you are town then it would be a good idea to let you know why you're being classified under D/S but that could be saved after the game since i'd rather not treat you like town learning a lesson and omit the chance that you are a scum trying to play the dumb role.

@nix: good find. didnt notice the mason being mentioned. idk what that is about
 

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Hey Kirb, ever feel like presenting a case against me? Or Omni? Or Gheb? All of whom are pretty obv town (me especially :))

Im town cause kirb is afraid of me, instead of ignoring me like he is kevin, who also is obv scum. Also, I'd direct you to day 2 in general. If I were scum, would I have encouraged people to ignore massively wifom Cello? I admit I would have hardcore bussed Cello at that point, but I wouldn't have urged people to ignore him. I can give other reasons for being Town, but its not time yet.

Oh BTW, I'm totally scum for checking on this thread from my phone while babysitting my 5 year old cousin all day... Yeah, I had no opportunity to post, I was just trying to avoid having to come home to a thousand pages to read.

If you want more, just ask.
 

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Oh, and Tom's flip was neighbor cop. I mentioned it first, so thats where he was getting it from.
 

Omni

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hrm...

i'll just wait for Kevin's response post.
 

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This is like the biggest post I have ever made. Please read it. It seems like people are having a hard time understanding what I'm thinking this game, so I am going to try to be as clear as possible. It will take me longer, but it should be worth it. This post is not just re-capping. If anyone says it is, they obviously did not read it.

KevinM
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Nix2100
Kirbyoshi
Gheb_01
Ryker
Omni
Ronike
Macman
§teel

KevinM: Convinced he is scum, and nothing short of a signed Taylor Swift guitar will change my mind. On Day 1, specifically in #153, KevinM shed major suspicion on Bunglefever through the avenues of the Tom-KevinM relationship and stereotypical Bunglefever play. Even after stating that he was a “concern for him,” Kevin did not unvote off of the easy BlueYoshi wagon. Only in #183 did he change vote, which probably came when his scum-mate reminded him. (Yes, that is conjecture and circumstantial, deal with it.) On #191 he reminded everyone that Bungle was his suspect and he noted that Bungle “disappeared after RVS.” #526 on Day 2, he pushed really strong against the rush lynch @ Cello, FOSing everyone who was doing it.

Bunglefever: As of post #662, Bungle has not commented on KevinM on Day 3, even though Kevin is getting wagoned towards his lynch. Even KevinM has expressed his dislike for Bungle in #658, and Bungle posted his reads in #660 and completely sidestepped commenting on KevinM, even to the point of commenting on the dead Cello’s play (not his opinions, but his play) but not even Kevin. This comes after you read Bungle’s #150 when he says that he feels he needs to watch Kevin’s words and actions much closer, as he fears Tom placed too much trust in Kevin. When Tom trusted Kevin, Bungle was going to pay attention to him; Tom changed his mind drastically on KevinM before he died, calling him the second most scummy after Cello, and now Bungle doesn’t feel the need to comment on him at all? KevinM is not comfortable with Bunglefever even on Day 1, in #153 for example, and though I am assuming KevinM is scum, the Kevin v. Bungle dynamic is very confusing – sometimes I think Bungle is scum because of his attitude @ Kevin, but then sometimes I think Bungle is town because of Kevin’s attitude @ him. Bungle needs to shed more light on this by actually addressing the most important movement in the game right now instead of skirting around it. Today on Day 3, he seems to be fence sitting, especially when looking at his opinions @ Macman, and his stance @ me. But #218 he joined the Cello_Marl wagon in an early and town-seeming way. I hate that in #240 he said “Tom soft claiming?” Why would you do that? But it also makes me think that if he were scum, he wouldn’t do it. So consider it a stupid thing to do, something I would think a newbie would do, and a null-tell. So not “dumb or scum,” but “dumb and/or scum.” #446 he voted BY without explanation at all. Just earlier in #441 he said either of the Yoshi’s could go, and did not mention Cello. Was not on the Cello wagon. Look similar to how he is treating KevinM right now.

Nix2100: Perhaps the worst contributor still in the game now that BY is dead, and that’s saying a lot because BY was inactive almost all Day 1 until he was lynched. His posts consist of #180, a very weak post where he simply mentions the most vocal players (with exception to Tom v Kevin, hmm interesting as I think scum would ignore that dynamic, see Gheb and Ronike’s reads at the bottom of this post) and basically gave null-tells on all of them. A very weak post, and Omni, Macman, and Tom all noted and picked up on and questioned. All other posts have either been fluff and empty, about EpicMafia, until #270. In this post, he finds the Cello wagon odd, is uncomfortable with it, asks Macman and Tom if they will explain why they are ok with it, and votes Macman for hypocritical reasons of “not being in the game” and “not being useful.”

Kirbyoshi: Has little to no input on the game until #261, where he claims “Tom is scum, too tired to post a case, but I’m pretty sure Tom is scum.” Which is it, Tom is scum or you’re pretty sure Tom is scum? Obviously you were pretty sure and not you know he is scum, because you were wrong. You hopped onto Gheb’s case against Omni, saying in #330 that Tom wasn’t as scummy as you thought he was. Complete reversal, but I guess its okay if you never even posted a case to begin with? Then in #341 you go back and build a bad case on Tom. #449 voted Blue Yoshi for coasting and was on that horribad mislynch. All Day 2 he was off of the Cello wagon, but I think its because he just doesn’t know how to play. Well, at the end he did vote Cello, after much coaxing and Cello_struggling. His case on Ronike seems like his case on Tom version 2.0. On Day 3, he has said “Kevin is town, and should not be lynched.” This seems exactly opposite of what he did with Tom, stating, “Tom is scum,” which is a terrible use of diction. You have to be careful with what you say.

Gheb_01: Charged Achy Hobo was completely against Tom’s auto-clearing of Kevin, and for reasons you will read in Ronike’s category, this makes me comfortable with Gheb in a parallel fashion. His resistant attitude towards the Blue Yoshi lynch (especially in #160, and his case against Omni was very much built around Omni’s early insistence that BY was a good lynch for (quoting Gheb) voting the “perfect scapegoat.”) makes me think that he is town and does not seem faked. He brings the case back up in #196 when no one will listen to him, and Omni simply responds saying he is dumb or scum and no one is listening to him for a reason, bad logic. I don’t agree with that, and I think Gheb has been seriously slept on this game. In #271 he has a very good post. However, I have conflicting feelings about Gheb. He has tunneled way too much against Omni, so much that it reminds me of Pierre the Scarecrow as scum in Kirby King’s Paranoia Mafia, where he tunneled against Handorin all game, simultaneously keeping Handorin alive so that he could tunnel him all game, “settle” for other, town lynches, and finally push Handorin’s lynch at the end of the game to win. This is how scum wins by mega-tunneling. If he is town, he is tunneling too much. If he is scum, he is getting away with it. Day 1 he found a controversial player (Pierre’s was Handorin, Gheb’s is Omni) to push a case against, using what the player does and spinning what he can against him with major persistence. He also keeps Kirbyoshi on the backburner, and is settling for him today instead of pushing against Kevin who I feel is major scum. I was basically all for clearing Gheb until I thought of this, and it really does bother me. It is not to be mistaken as “too townie,” because its not, it is “too tunneling.” And it bothers me.


Ryker: In post #144 you referred to a Day 1 strat that you normally use, and thought you might be on the receiving end of it. What strat is this, and who was the player in question, and why did you decide you were wrong about that suspicion? In post #145 you refer to a game and a post someone made in that game that was similar to the joke Macman made about Tom, which Bunglefever noted weirdly and KevinM dismissed. Please post a link to that post in that game, it should not take you long. As of #185 you were for Nix’s lynch or my lynch. This seems understandable. But his summary post in #198 is wrong about a lot of things. #452 put Blue Yoshi at L-1. I like him more for his back and forth with Cello_Marl around #561, actually.

Omni: I still don’t like how Omni ignored Charged Achy Hobo’s case against him on Day 1 because (p173) “weak argument is weak. I ignored it and so did a bunch of other people.” Omni was also strong anti-BY, but BY did not help at all there with heavy inactivity which is something Omni has always fought against, so I find that to be a null-tell but still important to note because BY was the Day 1 lynch and it might be nice to look at everyone else who was on it. He again in #197 dismissed Gheb for a shaky reason and I can’t tell what it means re his alignment. Omni, in #211 and #213 you said Ronike was so scummy in this game – do you still think that, and why or why not? In #219 you made it seem like you were baiting with those comments, but I don’t see how, so if you could explain how and how that made you think Ronike was even more scum, that would be nice. There you thought scum was either Ronike or me, and in #222 you said you were on the Cello wagon in spirit but didn’t want to have a quick lynch... when he was L-4. Only after Tom pointed this out did you get on the wagon, but you did not get off the wagon once you were on it. I think this is because you were holding hands with Tom, and because you truly were only not mentioning Cello_Marl and Nix2100 because Tom was. I think you are town.

Ronike: Ronike bashed heads early with Tom, and was not comfortable with Tom’s auto-clearing of KevinM. If Ronike were scum, I strongly believe that he would have not stated his discomfort with Tom’s strategy. I’m not saying that he would have endorsed it, but he probably wouldn’t have brought attention to it at all. In #225 Ronike literally apologized to Omni for his “sucky play,” and said he was going to do better. That confused me. He basically started the movement away from Cello_Marl and back towards BlueYoshi in #345, but I don’t think he’s scum for it.

Macman: I feel comfortable with Macman even though he is skeleton-contributor in this game, because he is like that in every single one of his games, and he has done a lot of good things this game. #217 he took Tom’s nudges against Cello_Marl and made it into a real wagon. In his #267, he likes his Cello vote and he doesn’t see why Kevin is suspicious of Bungle – two things that turned out to be pretty important. #348 is a great post. #581 is a great post too.

Thoughts: This might sound hilarious considering his meta, but if I had to choose someone to be an independent role in this game, it would def be Bunglefever hands down. I find KevinM to be strong scum, but he has been against Bungle all game, and I am also against Bungle. Thinking about the setup, there are 13 roles in the game, and 12 is the usual nice number for 9 town vs 3 scum. The 13th man might be an independent, though the nights have had 1 and 0 kills respectively (taking SK out of the picture), I know that Marshy does not like arsonists, and the rules say there are no jesters, survivors, or politicians. To my knowledge this leaves only two independent options: marker sk who does not mass-kill like arsonist does, or the independent siblings combination. If there is an indy in the game, I think it would be one of those two, and I think Bungle would be one of them. But if there isn’t an indy in the game, then I don’t know if Bungle is town just doing a bad job and Kevin has been pushing his lynch because its viable, or if he is scum and Kevin has been distancing from him all game.

The major conflicts in this game right now are KevinM vs Bunglefever and Gheb vs Omni. And they both need to find resolution. I think that the Kevin lynch is completely necessary today, and I think that he should claim.
 

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cool story. good stuff.

but there's no conflict between me and gheb. everyone understands gheb is just being gheb and that im town
 

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I'm paying attentino to Kevin, Steel. I just don't really know how to respond to "Don't feel good about jungle bro, just floatin that out there." Tom thing was a joke, that's it. I have been fence sitting on macman because well, I'm on the fence with macman. He did a REALLY good job of being helpful while being in scum in BWM, and as his partner, i got to see the behind the scenes with him. It just makes me all the more wary. I'm still adamant about Kirbyo today and think he's the play today.
 

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Getting to you Steel, but wanted to comment on Kevin first.

If you're tracker, who did you target and what did you find these past couple nights?
 

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Ryker: In post #144 you referred to a Day 1 strat that you normally use, and thought you might be on the receiving end of it. What strat is this, and who was the player in question, and why did you decide you were wrong about that suspicion?
I'll keep it to myself so I may can use it later, but I figured out it wasn't when I read Phoenix Write Mafia's Day 1 and saw that the two cases were not the same. Good enough?

In post #145 you refer to a game and a post someone made in that game that was similar to the joke Macman made about Tom, which Bunglefever noted weirdly and KevinM dismissed. Please post a link to that post in that game, it should not take you long.
I don't like Ryker. IDGaF about what he says.
Here's an example. He'd been saying things like that since Day 2.

Post #1953
 

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§teel I'm not even tunneling on Omni anymore lmao. My case was based on the same logic that applies to a whole bunch of other scumbags. EE did it in MegaMafia and Monster Mafia, Scumbagfever did it in Monster Island Mafia, Frozen did it in FFVII, Rockin did it Monster Mafia and PW and Riddle / Pierre did it in Paranoiafia. COUNTLESS scumbags did it in countless other games. Problem is that Scumni is always like that and I simply forgot about his especially since I didn't play too much with him.

lol @ Kevin thinking I'm a play in this game.

:059:
 

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so Kevin are you ever going to reread and make a proper response?
 

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Steel =( Where's the love from my former scum buddy? Your going to make me cry.

Nix2100: Perhaps the worst contributor still in the game now that BY is dead, and that’s saying a lot because BY was inactive almost all Day 1 until he was lynched. His posts consist of #180, a very weak post where he simply mentions the most vocal players (with exception to Tom v Kevin, hmm interesting as I think scum would ignore that dynamic, see Gheb and Ronike’s reads at the bottom of this post) and basically gave null-tells on all of them. A very weak post, and Omni, Macman, and Tom all noted and picked up on and questioned. All other posts have either been fluff and empty, about EpicMafia, until #270. In this post, he finds the Cello wagon odd, is uncomfortable with it, asks Macman and Tom if they will explain why they are ok with it, and votes Macman for hypocritical reasons of “not being in the game” and “not being useful.”
Am I Really the worst contributor? I mean really? I know I haven't been the greatest player this game, but really? I didn't see any Tom v Kevin dynamic to be honest.... I either just wasn't paying attention or it simply slipped past my noticed.

And yes, I did feel odd about the Cello wagon because I saw one too many votes that didn't seem to have any explanations on them and I was trying to avoid those lovely lynches we had in Sleepover. I also think i've said before that I was a hypocrite for feeling suspicious on someone that's doing the same thing as me mostly *shrug* What do you expect me to do about it? =P

and Steel, you of all people should know i'm horrible at the beginning of games. I mean really, if it wasn't for Marshy telling me what to post I would of been dead Day 1 in Sleepover.

@ronike - Ah, Your right...thanks for pointing that out =P I suppose that also drops my suspicion of Kirby a little bit -_-

And I Still owe you guys that re-read I said i was going to do but never actually got around to =(
 
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