Basketball Thread

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

Sorry man, but I can't stand Mike Bibby. He's not the talent everyone makes him out to be, he's like a poor man's Jason Kidd.

I wouldn't worry about Spo's offense hurting him, he's not much of a PG to me.


... I seem to hate him more than I thought I did. :O

 

[KrazyGlue]

I used to like him when he and Chris Webber took their Kings to the finals against the Lakers. I'm a little bit annoyed at how *****y he was about being on the Wizards though.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Sorry man, but I can't stand Mike Bibby. He's not the talent everyone makes him out to be, he's like a poor man's Jason Kidd.

I wouldn't worry about Spo's offense hurting him, he's not much of a PG to me.


... I seem to hate him more than I thought I did. :O

You must not have been following the Heat's guards. All of them are terrible...

Eddie House is currently referred to as BRICK House on the forums, Chalmers is getting better but he still needs to work on his ball handling skills and he often goes on streaks of just flat out sucking (and when I say sucking I'm talking about missing OPEN LAYUPS. YES it has happened this season), and Arroyo provided 0 offense other than spot up shooting. Oh and his defense was atrocious.

Bibby isn't gonna make the Heat a better team out of nowhere. He will play a small, but key role in this team's success.

The Heat now have a decent enough PG, now they need a decent Center that they need to pick up in the off season.

 

[theeboredone]

Bibby was a monster with the Kings. He was an assassin from 3, but now his role is just a spot up 3 point shooter. He can't penetrate that well, and he's old, so defense is a bit bleh. Honestly, with the fact LBJ and Wade NEED the ball to be effective, Bibby will be reduced to a 3 point specialist.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Heck as long as he'll make some clutch 3's that would STILL be a vast improvement. Every one of the Heat's 3 point "specialists" are ice cold right now.

And yes that includes the 3 point contest winner: James Jones.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

You can't shoot your way to a victory, but you can shoot yourself out of one. The Heat are fundamentally flawed in a sense. :\

And I'd still take a young Chalmers over an aging Bibby.

 

[The Real Gamer]

You can't shoot your way to a victory, but you can shoot yourself out of one. The Heat are fundamentally flawed in a sense. :\

And I'd still take a young Chalmers over an aging Bibby.

The Heat have a terrible half court offense thanks to the lack of good centers and point guards as well as coach Spoey's terrible offensive plays. Hence the reason the Heat can't beat elite teams that don't allow a lot of fast break opportunities.

If you've seen how the Heat's PGs have been performing you'd understand why all of the Heat fans are excited right now.

We'll see how Bibby does in these next 20+ games. I'm hoping he lives up to the hype, because I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want to see Eddie House playing ANY crucial minutes in the playoffs.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

lmaooo, fair enough. Ya'll should've got a SG though, or a swing man SF if you wanted to bolster that frontcourt. You don't need a PG with Bron and Wade.

 

[KrazyGlue]

Right now, Bibby is superior to Chalmers and probably will continue to be for the rest of the season and playoffs. Next year, who knows. And giving House major minutes would be an awful idea as his main function is to be a quick spark of offense off the bench.

 

[theeboredone]

Honestly though, I think Wade, but especially LBJ needs to move around off the ball. Whenever he gives it up, he just stands in one spot. I don't know if that's on Spo or LeBron is just being a lazy bum/uncoachable. At least Wade moves around to set up his game once he catches the ball. LeBron could very easily bully his man in the post. There are not many SF's who go into the post, but he could be very effective backing his man down. Artest does it fairly well himself.

Also, anyone notice how LBJ seems a bit...lacking in the killer instinct department? Remember how during training camp, he was yelling at his teammates, not dancing around, etc...it seems like he's chilled out a lot. Maybe Bosh has had a negative influence.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Honestly though, I think Wade, but especially LBJ needs to move around off the ball. Whenever he gives it up, he just stands in one spot. I don't know if that's on Spo or LeBron is just being a lazy bum/uncoachable. At least Wade moves around to set up his game once he catches the ball. LeBron could very easily bully his man in the post. There are not many SF's who go into the post, but he could be very effective backing his man down. Artest does it fairly well himself.

Also, anyone notice how LBJ seems a bit...lacking in the killer instinct department? Remember how during training camp, he was yelling at his teammates, not dancing around, etc...it seems like he's chilled out a lot. Maybe Bosh has had a negative influence.

I agree 100% LBJ is terrible off-ball. I guess he's just used to having the ball in his hands so much he just really doesn't know what to do without it?

But in terms of his in game intensity, it seems as if it comes in spurts, but never during clutch moments when they really count. I've already seen LBJ take over games but I still have yet to see that side of him come out against Boston or the Mavs etc. But one thing is for certain he just simply lacks motivation at times. I'm hoping the best of him will come out in the playoffs.

Many Heat fans and I can agree that LBJ is the best player on the team, but in clutch moments the ball should be in Wade's hands.

 

[theeboredone]

I would just give it to the hot hand. It's a luxury to have if one guy doesn't have it going or if the other is just hitting everything. That's one problem with the Lakers. You know Kobe is gonna have the ball in his hands. As if Gasol is gonna demand it let alone make something happen on his own.

Anyways, as far as the Salary Fantasy thing goes, we will place Dwight Howard at 20 million, leaving his team with 38 million left to spend. We'll move onto the second player...

LeBron James.

I'll post my thoughts later.

 

[Masmasher@]

damn heat against bulls again lmfao they just went at it about a week and a half ago

 

[The Real Gamer]

damn heat against bulls again lmfao they just went at it about a week and a half ago

If the Heat lose to the Bulls again I'm jumping off a building.

The Celtics are already making a fool out of this team. We don't need TWO of them in the Eastern Conference.

 

[theeboredone]

I think Heat will win this one. It's at home, and they have something to prove.

Also, I did some digging and found out the 2006 Heat wern't that good against the elite teams during the season either...that turned out pretty well for them.

 

[Nike.]

I'll never get over the Manu foul that sent Game7 against Mavs into OT. No way in hell we'd have lost to the Heat in the finals.

 

[Jane]

http://sadperk.tumblr.com/

LOLLLL

 

[theeboredone]

Mavs would have had it if Stern didn't have it in for Cuban.

First one is the best lmao.

 

[The Real Gamer]

HAHAHAHA that pic just made my night.

Perkins looks mad pissed. lmao

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

TRG, you must not be familiar with Perkins. They traded for him solely to get that scowl on their side. XD

 

[Nike.]

So glad I have a tumblr account, sooo following that account x)

 

[theeboredone]

I have one too. Tumblr is my gateway to random stuff.

 

[Nike.]

Guess I'll make this and the marth social my new homes. Maaaaaan ruined my regional thread

Austin, weren't you gonna make a PR for the NBA? x)

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

lmao, how did I ruin that?! I was the last one to change!

Besides, I've never seen such a successful trolling of a thread. It's amazing. :O


LeBron is worth 18 million by the way. I'll post reasons later.

 

[Nike.]

It's just bad now. Not everybody talks/cares about MLP in the least bit.

Paw rarely posts now, and there not even trolling. That is sad.

GTG for next weekend when they release the brackets for March Madness?

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

lmao, Nike, you're blaming the wrong people though. Put Slush/Tofer/Big Boss on ignore like I did a second ago. Bam. Instantly better. Get on IM or something for a bit?


And I've already been looking at potential brackets. Who wants me to make that group on ESPN for brackets? :O

 

[Nike.]

Oh, I was sarcastic when I was blaming you lol. Getting on now.

 

[Espy Rose]

Funny. What Max10n suggested is what I was telling Paw today.
Just ignore them.

 

[Nike.]

I had them all on ignore for weeks, but I took them off last week in case someone posted something relevant to Nikefest. Not happening though.

As for the the B-ball thread, theres a rumor that West went off on Chris Paul today in the locker room after another loss. He's sick of Paul tanking the season.

 

[Zajice]

Why do I find so many threads involving ponies somehow without even trying to find them?

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

No ponies here Zajice, sorry. This is the most active and useful thread in the Pool Room, and I intend to keep it that way.

I hadn't heard that rumor Nike. :O

 

[KrazyGlue]

I will post my thoughts on LBJ soon. I think he'll be really high in most categories except intangibles for me.

http://sadperk.tumblr.com/

LOLLLL

LOL SO GOOD.

"Dang Perky, where'd you learn to frown like that?"
"Yeezy taught me."

 

[Suspect]

WHY HAVENT i BEEN IN THIS THREAD

 

[tko112]

that pic just disturbs me, greatly

*shudders*

 

[theeboredone]

LeBron James: 19 million.

The guy is designed to pretty much play any position from PG to PF. He can guard any of those positions as well given his great athleticism and attention to man defense. His jump shot has come a long way since his rookie year, but he still has ways to go on improving it. He's still a face up player, who relies on his dribble drive to create space. Nothing wrong with that, but at one point in his career, he's going to have to develop a back to basket game or make his jumpshot consistent. LeBron's 3 point game is either hot or cold, but it rounds out to overall being a low 30% shooter, which is average in the NBA. He's only 26, so he still has plenty of years left in the tank. A good passer, creator, talented on both ends of the floor, LeBron is arguably the best player in the game.

However, if there is one flaw to him, it's his personality. I'm not talking about The Decision as much as who he is on the floor. We don't know who he really is. He went from dancing, taking fake photos in Cleveland to being a serious, no nonsense guy in Miami. Part of that may have to do with the Media, while the rest may have to do with him not having a ring. Another aspect I personally don't like is his work ethic. To be greatness, you not only have to have the talent, but work for it as well. LeBron has PLENTY of talent, probably the most I've seen from anyone, but his work ethic is not there. He's not Kobe, MJ, or even CP3 (see the article on him refining his game). He's not good off the ball, and if he does not produce a ring this year, or in the next two years, one has to wonder if he's simply uncoachable.

With all that being said, he's still the most talented and arguably the most dangerous player on the court when he has the ball. He's unstoppable on the break to boot.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

I don't know about him being a flawed personality really. He's not exactly lazy.

But you're right about his skill set. The hardest to understand thing about his talent is his speed and strength. The ability to fly to the basket on hard cuts and drives is really hard to stop. How often does he get blocked even? His ability to play any position makes him extremely valuable.

Still say 18 mil.


Sus: Way to get banned after showing up here. XD

 

[The Real Gamer]

I'd say LBJ isn't exactly lazy but at the same time you can just tell when he's not 100% locked into the game, which tends to happen a lot against lesser teams.

You guys have pretty much covered everything but you also gotta remember that LBJ naturally makes his teammates better. His ability to draw in defenders leaves teammates wide open a lot so average 3 point shooters all of the sudden become All Star material *cough* Mo Williams *cough* James Jones. You put LBJ on nearly any team in the NBA and you're nearly guaranteed a spot in the playoffs as well as a winning season (unless if your team just happens to be even worse than the Cavs).

I'd say at LEAST 19 million.

 

[theeboredone]

Well I wasn't trying to call him lazy, but he hasn't show any radical improvement in other aspects of his game. The only time he ever improved anything was his defense, but that came after the Olympics, and he gave a lot of credit to Kobe. I mean, Dwight doesn't come off as a guy who would be working hard in the off season, but we're definitely seeing it. Nothing from LBJ yet.

He lacks that killer instinct that so many people wish he would have. He's at his best when he's mad or motivated.

And while he does make others better, he doesn't necessarily make them "truly" better. Yeah he gets people open looks, but is that the same as improving their game? And now that I think about it, how often does LeBron set up lay ups and dunks compared to long range shots? He's not a true PG in that part.

But yeah, 19 million. Dude is way too talented and too much of an impact player when he feels like it.

 

[Maaaaaaaaaan]

I would point out that LeBron has a habit of finding people in the paint with no-look dimes. Not a true PG, but he's a great basketball talent and knows the game.

 

[theeboredone]

Well 19 million sounds reasonable. In any case, Orlando getting their butts kicked. Not much you can do when LBJ AND Wade are hot from the floor. All you can do is shake your head and walk off.