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[MonkeyDLenny]

So, aside from Verge’s word and some other people, what do you think on Erdrick’s chances of getting in and why?

See this for my take

Here's my problem with Erdrick right now: Square is notorious at being VERY good at keeping leaks locked up tight. KH3 only leaked because someone outright stole from their warehouse and Cloud's reveal for Smash only got out extremely close to the actual announcement to the point where it hardly mattered.

So you mean to tell me Erdrick somehow leaked HALF A YEAR IN ADVANCE?

If Erdrick is in, he's officially the worst kept secret in Smash history. Erdrick sounds more like a hustle to me

 

[Zem-raj]

So, aside from Verge’s word and some other people, what do you think on Erdrick’s chances of getting in and why?

50/50

I personally don't care if he's in or not, but at least he's a reasonable choice.

Out of third party candidates, I only care about Banjo & Kazooie at the moment.

 

[Substitute]

So, aside from Verge’s word and some other people, what do you think on Erdrick’s chances of getting in and why?

90%. The "Brave" codename fitting perfectly and that Tansut (the one who leaked Cloud) is saying we're getting a DQ character.

 

[Swop]

Xbox Conference will be 2 hours Long huh?

I hope they show off games and not 90 minutes of new Controllers.

 

[Shawksta]

So, aside from Verge’s word and some other people, what do you think on Erdrick’s chances of getting in and why?

My problem with Erdrick is that everything revolving him has been a giant assumption rather than actual confirmation.
Most insiders only seem to agree that within the “names given to trick leakers”
Slime, Luminary, Erdrick, Sora, Geno, Chrono
They all seem to agree “It makes sense to be a Dragon Quest character”
Then you have the people claiming they heard Erdrick causing a group thought of DQ rep.

And then there’s Tansut, according to him, he believes Erdrick, because his source “didn’t correct him when he mentioned it”
Which to me, sounds like confirmation bias, he didn’t try to think why his source didn’t correct him.

And finally there’s the Brave datamine, which people insist is a direct name for Erdrick despite what Joker and Arsene’s codenames were. I’m pretty sure if Joker’s codename leaked earlier, people wouldn’t have assumed joker at all, probably a war between Jack Frost and Raiden

I still believe Erdrick could be in but the evidence from insiders are shaky at best.

 

[Guynamednelson]

To me it feels strange that people who act like characters have to be ultra-ultra-ultra mainstream to be DLC support Erdrick. As in, not just a pop culture phenomenon in one country.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

My problem with Erdrick is that everything revolving him has been a giant assumption rather than actual confirmation.
Most insiders only seem to agree that within the “names given to trick leakers”
Slime, Luminary, Erdrick, Sora, Geno, Chrono
They all seem to agree “It makes sense to be a Dragon Quest character”
Then you have the people claiming they heard Erdrick causing a group thought of DQ rep.

And then there’s Tansut, according to him, he believes Erdrick, because his source “didn’t correct him when he mentioned it”
Which to me, sounds like confirmation bias, he didn’t try to think why his source didn’t correct him.

And finally there’s the Brave datamine, which people insist is a direct name for Erdrick despite what Joker and Arsene’s codenames were. I’m pretty sure if Joker’s codename leaked earlier, people wouldn’t have assumed joker at all, probably a war between Jack Frost and Raiden

I still believe Erdrick could be in but the evidence from insiders are shaky at best.

I can confirm there was talk that nobody was sure who Jack as. It was just as mysterious as Brave is now.

I agree that Tansut is not really a good point in its favor. He doesn't have clear information and the other guy just flowed with it.

Verge is a bit more trustworthy since he has a far better record than some, but he also keeps making enough errors for me to be skeptical. Minecraft I don't consider an error cause it could be leakbait. Getting one specific of content wrong in Ultimate is very realistic at the moment. It also doesn't help he has no consistent information. At one point he was told it was a boss.

Also, there's 7 Squares. You forgot Sephiroth here.

I'm 60/40 on it. I am not one who find Brave to be a clear indication of Yuusha here. Just one of many possibilities. Dragon Quest being such a major franchise and it would be good to get it in to help advertise the series a bit more(not the full reason in). I'm more leaning on Luminary and Slime, due to their bigger worldwide status, which makes them far easier sellers.

 

[Quidohmi]

*dons tinfoil hat*

"Brave" is a reference to the Pixar movie Brave, where the heroine's mother is transformed... into a bear.

And what color is her hair?

Red.

Who else is red?

Kazooie.

It's all falling into place now.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

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[CannonStreak]

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Um, forgive me, but what does this even mean?

 

[Substitute]

And then there’s Tansut, according to him, he believes Erdrick, because his source “didn’t correct him when he mentioned it”
Which to me, sounds like confirmation bias, he didn’t try to think why his source didn’t correct him.

What?

Full context:

"This past December I got confirmation about Erdrick, or that at least that it's a DQ character as one of the DLC characters. I was never corrected when I used Erdrick as the name when talking to them, so I don't see a reason to assume it's someone else like Luminary. I got the feeling that I only found out then because they were, at that point, still in a very early state. I was told to not expect anything like a reveal soon, so I wasn't totally shocked he wasn't at the last direct, especially since Joker was still barely shown and he's farther along."

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

If we're going by Tansut's same Square source that helped him leak Cloud (the only one to leak Cloud too), a DQ character is inevitable. Tansut and everyone else have good reason to assume that it will be Erdrick as the one repping DQ.

 

[AugustusB]

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The Cancelled Perfect Dark game!?

After Zero it was suppose to be Perfect Dark: Core.......

Ohhhhh boy. Is Rare actually gonna do it?

EDIT: Nope...just concept art lol.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Um, forgive me, but what does this even mean?

Perfect Dark Core was the cancelled PD game. Chris has been sharing all of the design documents for the cancelled Conker sequel, so now it looks like he's sharing the details on this one too

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I'd say the only point towards Erdrick is the amount of advertising that is happening with Dragon Quest. It's got Dragon Quest XI on Switch, Dragon Quest Builders 2 and the Dragon Quest movie all in production.

 

[Deleted member]

So, aside from Verge’s word and some other people, what do you think on Erdrick’s chances of getting in and why?

Possibly the only character i can see happening with confidence. Though i judge him based on his merits as a character whitin his own franchise rathern than Insiders.

 

[AngrySun88]

He stood by Incineroar and Ken despite all of us ignoring him during the Grinch Leak and he ended up right. Maybe he's not giving us the full story

Here's my problem with Erdrick right now: Square is notorious at being VERY good at keeping leaks locked up tight. KH3 only leaked because someone outright stole from their warehouse and Cloud's reveal for Smash only got out extremely close to the actual announcement to the point where it hardly mattered.

So you mean to tell me Erdrick somehow leaked HALF A YEAR IN ADVANCE?

If Erdrick is in, he's officially the worst kept secret in Smash history. Erdrick sounds more like a hustle to me

My thoughts exactly.

If Erdrick is in, then it's the worst kept secret in Smash history. You'd think Nintendo and especially Square would want to keep him under wraps and fight against leaks, which is why I think it's possible that he's leakbait.

While he may be popular in Japan, I'm not sure he's a showstopper in the West and E3 is more geared towards Western audiences. I don't think he'd be a showstopper at E3 as opposed to someone like Banjo or Doom Guy or Lara Croft who would break the internet if any of them were revealed.

Assuming that Erdrick is in, I think it's likely we'll get a double reveal. One for the big name E3 character, and then a smaller reveal for Erdrick in a different announcement. I don't think Erdrick is as big as some people think he is.

 

[TAnimal]

Perfect Dark Core was the cancelled PD game. Chris has been sharing all of the design documents for the cancelled Conker sequel, so now it looks like he's sharing the details on this one too

Could this be in coalition with Banjo in Smash Bros? If so what could the scenario be played out

 

[AugustusB]

Perfect Dark Core was the cancelled PD game. Chris has been sharing all of the design documents for the cancelled Conker sequel, so now it looks like he's sharing the details on this one too

Why an Episode though? Is this a Power point presentation?

Is this a meeting of some sort?

We need to keep on this. Something feels off about it.

 

[ivanlerma]

What is going on with this Perfect Dark:Core Topic, can someone elaborate it for me?

 

[AugustusB]

What is going on with this Perfect Dark:Core Topic, can someone elaborate it for me?

Chris Seavor is the voice of Conker and Rare employee (Or was? Cannot remember.) I believe he shared concepts of the old Conker game that never happened one time and here he is teasing a Perfect Dark: Core concept. (The game was scraped, but nothing was ever shown, so it is VERY interesting to see this come up)

I don't think Rare has ever showed off old concepts before.

EDIT: MonkeyDLenny tag in!

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Chris Seavor is the voice of Conker and Rare employee (Or was? Cannot remember.) I believe he shared concepts of the old Conker game that never happened one time and here he is teasing a Perfect Dark: Core concept. (The game was scraped, but nothing was ever shown, so it is VERY interesting to see this come up)

I don't think Rare has ever showed off old concepts before.

EDIT: MonkeyDLenny tag in!

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[TAnimal]

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Yeah but what does this have anything remotely related to do with Banjo in Smash?

 

[MissingGlitch]

The conspiracy theorist in me says they are trying to hype up for E3. The pessimism in me says this is just Rare trying to nostalgia bait their old franchises again with no intention of using them. Regardless he had to get Rare's permission to post this stuff.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The conspiracy theorist in me says they are trying to hype up for E3. The pessimism in me says this is just Rare trying to nostalgia bait their old franchises again with no intention of using them. Regardless he had to get Rare's permission to post this stuff.

Couldn't it be right between and extra promotion for Rare Replay?

 

[Organization XIII]

Yeah but what does this have anything remotely related to do with Banjo in Smash?

Nothing. Just some old school Rare goodness.

 

[Shawksta]

The conspiracy theorist in me says they are trying to hype up for E3. The pessimism in me says this is just Rare trying to nostalgia bait their old franchises again with no intention of using them. Regardless he had to get Rare's permission to post this stuff.

I feel the same, specifically because Mayles decided out of his own will to start gushing about his King K Rool concepts when he got confirmed.

 

[AugustusB]

Yeah but what does this have anything remotely related to do with Banjo in Smash?

It may not seem like much, but why this all of a sudden?

They seem to be OK with showing old concept stuff from old IPs. IPs they thought no one cared for. (That's my personal take)

I think it is just interesting to see, but I will be interested to see what else they will share.

IF Banjo Threeie is not shown off as concept pieces...I will be big Hmmmmming the whole time. Let's keep this in mind.

 

[Izanagi97]

https://i.imgtc.ws/4fMgbDL.png

Interesting Theory between Banjo and “Brave”

That's one way to look at it, why make the code name obvious other than "Hurr durr Nintendo bad at internet"

Question: Why is Verge so into believing Erdrick and Minecraft Content will be in Ultimate? I mean, doesn’t he have the guts to see why he could be wrong instead of being so sure and stubborn about it?

Probably an ego thing or something,

He stood by Incineroar and Ken despite all of us ignoring him during the Grinch Leak and he ended up right. Maybe he's not giving us the full story

Here's my problem with Erdrick right now: Square is notorious at being VERY good at keeping leaks locked up tight. KH3 only leaked because someone outright stole from their warehouse and Cloud's reveal for Smash only got out extremely close to the actual announcement to the point where it hardly mattered.

So you mean to tell me Erdrick somehow leaked HALF A YEAR IN ADVANCE?

If Erdrick is in, he's officially the worst kept secret in Smash history. Erdrick sounds more like a hustle to me

Yeah, I can get leaking things a few weeks or a month in advance, but half a ****ing year?

So, aside from Verge’s word and some other people, what do you think on Erdrick’s chances of getting in and why?

50/50 and lowering because while DQ is one of the biggest JRPGs in Japan, this is also Square Enix we're talking about and they are the most obstinate of the Third parties who have characters in Smash that I know of

My thoughts exactly.

If Erdrick is in, then it's the worst kept secret in Smash history. You'd think Nintendo and especially Square would want to keep him under wraps and fight against leaks, which is why I think it's possible that he's leakbait.

While he may be popular in Japan, I'm not sure he's a showstopper in the West and E3 is more geared towards Western audiences. I don't think he'd be a showstopper at E3 as opposed to someone like Banjo or Doom Guy or Lara Croft who would break the internet if any of them were revealed.

Assuming that Erdrick is in, I think it's likely we'll get a double reveal. One for the big name E3 character, and then a smaller reveal for Erdrick in a different announcement. I don't think Erdrick is as big as some people think he is.

And if those rumors of making Joker the first in the Fighter's pass over who was originally Fighter 1 are anything to go by, why hold off showing a DQ rep (mostly popular in Japan) at the VGAs (a mostly Western event) in favor of showing them at E3 (another mostly Western event). It would make more sense to show off a Dragon Quest rep at the Tokyo Game Show (I think that's basically Japan's version of E3) until I realized that Nintendo doesn't seem to be the type to show things off at TGS

 

[AngrySun88]

And if those rumors of making Joker the first in the Fighter's pass over who was originally Fighter 1 are anything to go by, why hold off showing a DQ rep (mostly popular in Japan) at the VGAs (a mostly Western event) in favor of showing them at E3 (another mostly Western event). It would make more sense to show off a Dragon Quest rep at the Tokyo Game Show (I think that's basically Japan's version of E3) until I realized that Nintendo doesn't seem to be the type to show things off at TGS

What rumor is that? That's the first I've heard of this, but yeah, it would be odd for Nintendo to show off a character that's really only popular in Japan to a predominately Western audience.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Seriously, all this classic Rare stuff happening NOW of all times...

Perfect Dark gets announced to be getting a Totaku figure

Chris sharing old design documents of Conker's Other Bad Day

Chris sharing old design documents for Perfect Dark Zero

First4 being invited personally by Rare to E3 after they've made Conker and Banjo statues

Something has to be up...

 

[MissingGlitch]

I don't know how Square Enix would feel if they had their character double revealed with a character more people want. All the steam from their character would be stolen by the more popular character. SE is definitely the type of company that would want their character in the spotlight.

I think E3 is going to be a double whammy. 2 popular characters that won't necessarily be competing with each other over the spotlight.

 

[Megadoomer]

Seriously, all this classic Rare stuff happening NOW of all times...

Perfect Dark gets announced to be getting a Totaku figure

Chris sharing old design documents of Conker's Other Bad Day

Chris sharing old design documents for Perfect Dark Zero

First4 being invited personally by Rare to E3 after they've made Conker and Banjo statues

Something has to be up...

As far as Chris sharing old design documents is concerned, maybe he figures that it seems unlikely that those games will get sequels so there's no harm in sharing what they had originally planned? Something similar happened with Half-Life 3, and it seems unlikely that we'll be getting that game any time in the next few decades.

 

[TheAnvil]

Couldn't it be right between and extra promotion for Rare Replay?

Seavor no longer works for Rare so unlikely.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Seavor no longer works for Rare so unlikely.

Ah, so personal liking of the series and means nothing, then.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[MissingGlitch]

I would still think he would still need Rare's permission to do it though. Those are still their IPs. There must have been a reason they kept all this under lock and key for so long.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I would still think he would still need Rare's permission to do it though. Those are still their IPs. There must have been a reason they kept all this under lock and key for so long.

That doesn't mean they remotely mean anything though. They're just cool trivia. Beta content is something many fans look for, as they like to know as much about their series as possible. There's even a website dedicated to it(Unseen64, though that started more as a Nintendo 64 beta site, but evolved to cover all games).

 

[Izanagi97]

Sad thing is if some of the stuff being discussed here (mostly anything related to coincidences going on, the stuff about the codenames, and the possibilities that Steve and Erdrick are leak bait) got posted on to GameFAQs, it would get flamed to hell and back though that's probably just me being a little bit annoyed reading GameFAQSs.

 

[JonSmash]

can anyone tell me what completly unesasary fan said about steve & banjo as i am block for some reason ? never even heard of the guy B4 ?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sad thing is if some of the stuff being discussed here (mostly anything related to coincidences going on, the stuff about the codenames, and the possibilities that Steve and Erdrick are leak bait) got posted on to GameFAQs, it would get flamed to hell and back though that's probably just me being a little bit annoyed reading GameFAQSs.

Well, I just implore we avoid it being carried over to here. No need for the drama, really. It's not our problem, if you will.

My best thought is that when you post here, try to watch what you say. It's pretty well known that trolls across the internet are basically vultures. They're grab that loose piece and shred it to bits. Plus, watching what you say may be good as is, cause sometimes a lot of things said are rather inappropriate/against the rules of Smashboards anyway.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

Sad thing is if some of the stuff being discussed here (mostly anything related to coincidences going on, the stuff about the codenames, and the possibilities that Steve and Erdrick are leak bait) got posted on to GameFAQs, it would get flamed to hell and back though that's probably just me being a little bit annoyed reading GameFAQSs.

Gamefaqs is a toxic minefield full of trolls and falseflagging brats. I will savor the meltdown from there if my boy and girl are confirmed.