I understand your opinion but labeling joker as a generic anime guy is not very fair. There is a lot more to his character and the game that he came from. I am a proud supporter of joker and banjo, but I don't understand why people dislike joker just because he comes from a game with an "anime" style. I wasn't sold on P5 at all when Joker was first revealed and then I played P5 and it's a good game (in my opinion) and I'm really glad Sakurai is including interesting characters like this. Joker also doesn't really look like anyone else in Smash aside from the Bayonetta hair so I don't see how he is "generic" as his design definitely stands out from the others. Persona 5 is also a pretty big deal as it was nominated for game of the year, but it lost to Breath of the Wild at the game awards in 2017. His moveset and the game he comes from shows that he is unique. Lumping him in with all of the other anime looking characters is just like saying duck hunt and banjo kazooie are the same thing because they are both an animal duo. It just bugs me that people generalize joker as being a lame lifeless character when his origins are extremely unique. It really reminds me of how people write off Banjo for being lame without playing his games as well.
See, the issue isn’t Joker on his own. It’s Joker in the context of the Smash roster, where he very much seems like part of a pattern.
I’m not saying Persona isn’t a unique IP, or that Joker doesn’t have an incredible design, but think of it this way:
Look at Joker. Then look at Ganondorf. Then look at Wario. Then look at Ryu. In no way do these four characters look like they could inhabit the same world, or the same franchise. Their visual language is completely different.
Now look at Joker. And look at Bayonetta. And look at Corrin. And look at Chrom. Can you genuinely argue that these characters have the same variety and design differences as the former group?
I honestly don’t think it would be as hot a topic with Smash fans if there weren’t already so many FE reps, and so much redundancy among them. The echo fighter concept is still a relatively new one, which didn’t magically erase all the built-up frustrations (warranted or not) regarding the perceived overabundance of swordies that Smash fans had lived with since Smash 4.
Imagine if instead of anime-styled characters, we kept getting platformer mascots. People would have just as strong an aversion to more of those as they do currently to the anime characters.
Sakurai has been dumping a lot of extra info on Twitter right now, including this bombshell:
ALL DLC fighters will have their own unique Spirit Boards that you can tackle again and again
What's this mean for us? I think this is a strong indication that the DLC WILL in fact be all third parties: They're going THIS far for themeing the DLC spirits. If we were getting another Mario character they could just dump them in the pool with the rest, but the DLC spirits are being held separately in their own special space
So imagine if you will: A Banjo Kazooie themed Spirit Board
I think this all depends on how the Joker board is handled. If it’s all Persona-related Spirits, I think that actually hurts Banjo’s chances a decent chunk. Call me cynical, I just don’t buy that Nintendo would be interested in doing an entire Spirit board dedicated purely to Banjo characters.
Now if the Joker board is all ATLUS characters, or all SEGA characters? I could see this boding well for Banjo. I could see a Microsoft-themed board, or maybe even a Rare-themed board, but definitely not just a Banjo-themed board.
HOWEVER.
That’s where the Rare spirits already in the game complicates matters.
The Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini spirits would make perfect sense on a Rare spirit board. But... why would they already be in the game’s data on launch? No Persona spirits were in the game yet, so you can’t say it had to do with Banjo being planned DLC.
Ok, well maybe they were planned for base roster, but cut.
But if Banjo was planned for base roster, then Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini wouldn’t be part of a “Rare spirit board”, because only DLC characters are getting their own spirit board.
Also, how sure are we that Brave is shorter than Mario? Cause if that’s 100% confirmed, then there’s not a snowball’s chance in Brinstar that Brave is Banjo, and we need to let that thread die ASAP.