Bair in the same direction you are running/standing?

[PubeZilla]

So the way I do it now, from standing, is dashdance forward>backward>jump>bair while DIing forward. Tapping back and jumping doesn't work, the character remains forward, unless you wait for the entire turn animation to finish. While running I have to time the turn just right so I pivot, and if the timing is off I get the super slow awful turn. So my question is:

What is the best way to Bair in the same direction you are running/standing. There must me some technology to do this quickly I just don't know about.

 

[kyaputenfarukon07]

Use the cstick and tilt in the opposite direction your character is facing while in the air

 

[rjgbadger]

use shine to turn around then bair

pivot bair

 

[PubeZilla]

NoNo. I want to bair in the same direction I am facing, from a run. To hit the person that is standing in front of me with the bair from the same side.

 

[PubeZilla]

use shine to turn around then bair

pivot bair

Ahhh that is clever. What if i don't have shine? pivot bair is so timing dependent.

 

[Strong Badam]

from a full run?
not really possible. fastest option is dash cancel (go into a crouch), then turn around and bair
if you're dashing, you can do a pivot by dashing in the opposite direction and then jumping on the frame you turn around.

 

[PubeZilla]

Guess I will practice that pivot. Thanks!

 

[gravy]

Yah pivot's your best option. If you're in a full run, you can also wavedash forward into a pivot bair. You can buffer the pivot to make it go as fast as possible.

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

Guess I will practice that pivot. Thanks!

Yeah, since the pivot only works in the dashing animation (before the running animation), but you intend to do bair at a distance further than distance of a dash, you could try canceling the run animation with a crouch or a wavedash into dashing into pivot like with tree grabbing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6OsFK0ce4E

 

[ajp_anton]

Yah pivot's your best option. If you're in a full run, you can also wavedash forward into a pivot bair. You can buffer the pivot to make it go as fast as possible.

If I'm not misunderstanding you, a jump will cancel a buffered turn-around. You have to smash the turn-around so that the turn actually happens on frame 1.
If you turn around and jump with a buffered turn, then you didn't jump very early.

 

[Madic0]

Since pivoting is limited to only the points within a character's initial dash, and would in most cases be too short a distance for your needs, I'd recommend starting your approach facing away from your opponent (wavedashing backwards towards them or Full Hop > B-air > descend, etc.)

Pivoting is something everyone should learn, but it can be difficult and time-inefficient for newer players.

 

[PubeZilla]

Since pivoting is limited to only the points within a character's initial dash, and would in most cases be too short a distance for your needs, I'd recommend starting your approach facing away from your opponent (wavedashing backwards towards them or Full Hop > B-air > descend, etc.)

Pivoting is something everyone should learn, but it can be difficult and time-inefficient for newer players.

Yea that is another option. And if you're captain falcon you can always moonwalk>bair from a galaxy away.

 

[Madic0]

Moonwalks are equivalent to deep-spacing, which is pretty risky.

Falcon is one of the few characters who's pivot is extremely useful, thanks to his ridiculous initial dash length and running speed. Feel free to abuse it in that case. ;]

 

[KrazyKnux]

I just skimmed through this thread real quick, but it sounds like you're in a position where you're facing an opponent and want to hit them with the back of your bair's hitbox, right?

So, as mentioned, there's pivoting if you're in the initial dash animation. If you have to dash too far, you could fox trot (dash, crouch, dash) and space it so that your second dash would put you in a position to pivot. You could also do a shield pivot (i dunno what these are called) which is basically like a poor man's pivot. You dash forward -> back -> shield (to stop your momentum) -> bair. The timing isn't precise so it's easier to do. I think both methods are worth learning.

(was this in anyway helpful? lol i'm still not 100% if it's even what you were asking)

Edit: also moonwalking can be really useful for a LOT of characters. If you practice enough, you can get quite good at moonwalking with most good characters besides Falcon like Fox, Falco, Marth, Ganon, etc...

 

[UlyssesTheTrojan]

(TROLL POST)....(shhhhhh)

If your character doesn't have a shine you should probably just switch characters

 

[PubeZilla]

Exactly what I was asking. I'll have to practice foxtrotting. Thanks.

Ulysses> Shine isn't even useful. I can block projectiles with shield or just spotdodge...

 

[UlyssesTheTrojan]

Yeah you're right from now on Ill just shield whenever I would normally shine.
Nowadays in this metagame I've heard drill>shield isn't even guaranteed!

Nevermind.

 

[rjgbadger]

yo pubezilla from what is sounds like you don't know the incredible uses of shine. it doesn't reflect projectiles, it has a hitbox on the initial use.

 

[Cactuar]

Dashing pivot bair is pretty cool.

 

[Kal]

..........

 

[Bones0]

If I'm not misunderstanding you, a jump will cancel a buffered turn-around. You have to smash the turn-around so that the turn actually happens on frame 1.
If you turn around and jump with a buffered turn, then you didn't jump very early.

You mean if you're in WD lag (10 frames) and you buffer a turn around for frame 11, you won't turn around right on frame 11? I find that really hard to believe...

Yeah you're right from now on Ill just shield whenever I would normally shine.
Nowadays in this metagame I've heard drill>shield isn't even guaranteed!

Nevermind.

You can shield grab drill-shine. Sorry, bro.

 

[gravy]

If I'm not misunderstanding you, a jump will cancel a buffered turn-around. You have to smash the turn-around so that the turn actually happens on frame 1.
If you turn around and jump with a buffered turn, then you didn't jump very early.

You don't have to smash turn around to buffer a turn around. In fact, to do it very quickly and effeciently, you can just hold the stick very slightly off of neutral. If you wanted to do what I explained, you would dash, enter run animation, wavedash, during the wavedash begin holding the control stick to the left/right of neutral, and when the turnaround comes out frame one, which it will, jump and bair. It's the fastest way you can possibly do this particular motion.

 

[Gliffie]

yo pubezilla from what is sounds like you don't know the incredible uses of shine. it doesn't reflect projectiles, it has a hitbox on the initial use.

*****es don't know about my shield spikes. Spacies are so 2012. Get with the times already!

 

[UlyssesTheTrojan]

Bones. That is not really what I meant. I was saying drill shine isn't guaranteed. Except I was replacing shine with shield.

I can't pivot consistently.

 

[CloneHat]

This is something that was added in Brawl, called a reverse aerial rush (RAR). It's not in the game.

 

[The Star King]

^god what an unnecessary name

 

[ajp_anton]

You don't have to smash turn around to buffer a turn around. In fact, to do it very quickly and effeciently, you can just hold the stick very slightly off of neutral.

You can only buffer a smash turn-around 1 frame (smashing the frame before you can actually move). If you smash/tilt/whatever before that, it will be a buffered, non-smashed turn-around, and you will start walking instead of running.

You mean if you're in WD lag (10 frames) and you buffer a turn around for frame 11, you won't turn around right on frame 11? I find that really hard to believe...

Smashed turn-around:
- frame 1: turn
- frame 2: jump, shield, jab etc.

Non-smashed turn-around ("walk, no run", or buffered):
- frame 1: turn
- frames 2-7: turn animation can be canceled by jumping, shielding, jabbing etc.
- frame 8: jump, shield, jab etc.