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ATTENTION ALL TOURNEY HOSTS - Ban Ledge Stalling

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Mew2King

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if you see someone who gets a % lead in a match and tries to win the match by stalling at the ledge, giving him a huge unfair advantage over his opponent, BAN IT. Even if you never saw this before, I am telling you from experience that it happens, and it's really ********. BAN IT. Make a rule so that they have to touch the ground at least once every 10 seconds from the point of which they grab the ledge, or an even better idea is to have the option of having a judge (like a tourney host or someone trustworthy, I recommend the tourney host) to be called over to the TV. Sheik and Jiggs could easily win matches in Melee this way, but everyone was too honorable to do it, because that ruins the point of the game, which is to be a fun FIGHTING game. Do you want people to travel to go to tourneys just to see THAT?

for those of you that aren't experienced in smash tourneys, this is a very cheap way to win, it's makes the game not fun to play... it doesn't even make it a game anymore, but rather an EXPLOITATION OF THE RULES. I remember Plank doing this to Eggm last year and him winning 2 tourney sets over him when he got a % lead. It's not to say he wouldn't have won, but it was done in a really dumb, boring way, giving a big advantage for no good reason. I tried this in 1 friendly vs chu dat last year sheik vs ICs in a friendly, I got a small % lead after shooting a needle then I ledge camped the rest of the time. Regardless if this was a friendly or not, I ended up 3 stocking him, while normally fighting properly it would be really close and at that time I probably would lose. King was ledge camping vs Forward in an OC3 match and Forward then said "that's all you have to do to win" and King responded with "yeah, it is" but since King is an honorable player, he finished the match properly by actual fighting.

Ledge Stalling needs to be banned, every Tourney Host needs to make sure that there is a ruleset that should have either 1) a 10 second rule for touching the ground of the stage or 2) a judge can be called over to prevent this from happening

there is no positive effect of allowing this at tourneys, all it does is ruin the game completely. We need to draw a line or else this won't even be a GAME anmore. And as far as I'm concerned, I like FIGHTING my opponents. Unless you want the future to be really boring and gay, I suggest you listen to my advice. Doing this will literally RUIN smash, so if you have any honor at ALL you should never resort to this.

Thanks for your time, and please do listen. I enjoy FIGHTING my opponents.

The sooner you do this the better, and remember - it can't hurt to be playing it safe, this will only help.
 

FALCOMIST

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As funny as that sounds...

Welcome to bawrl xD.

But yea it needs to be banned. Kinda sad watching Sk92 being short from money cause he got ledged camped for like 1 min 30seconds from plank.
 

Fly_Amanita

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^^^
Hosts always say that stalling is banned, but the ban is never clearly defined or enforced, so stalling is basically legal most of the time.
 

MaNg0

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hmmmm

as much as i hate 2 agree with m2k


U NO SOMETHING is gay

when m2k complains





BUT i do agree with P..

i mean u have to have like no heart to do what plank

did

.. good **** plank lol
 

mikeHAZE

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stop whining.

i support what plank did. breakfast of champions.
nom nom nom.




but seriously, a lot of the time i'll edge camp because i can't recover for **** with marth from the edge, so it's kinda like why should i go up and get hit, i mean, if they give me space i'll get up but until then it's pretty stupid to have somebody say "YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE STAGE AND BE PUNISHED AND LOSE YOUR STOCK"
 

Awex

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How about instead of a get up every ten seconds rule..

A judge can observe and say after 30 seconds or so of not being on stage "Kill yourself"

The player has 2 options at that point. ;)
 

NeighborhoodP

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yeah there are ways to get around this.

what mike said is right -- i camp the edge because i'm not going to take any chances of getting hit when i get up, because that situation, especially right after they respawn, is when most of your opponent's kills occur in melee if you notice. if they give me an opening i'll take it, but even then i'm going to camp the side of the stage until i can safely reach the middle again. it's called playing smart.

and you can't take that away from the game. so modify the rule however you want, i'll still legally camp my *** off and other smart players will too
 

Sleepy

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well, excessive stalling is lame, true. I think if a rule is gonna be in place, you have to specificate. Now in melee peach wallbombing or wallkicks in foreside and stuff, would be easy to say. If peach wallbombs more than 5X in a row it probably isn't for recovery. Not that it's that clear cut everytime.
 

HyugaRicdeau

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Slippi.gg
DRZ#283
If the rule is no stalling for 10 sec, people will just stall for 9.9 sec, do one thing and go back to stalling.

I was going to make a topic in the SBR about this but I guess this was so important we needed to get this out immediately, hm?
 

Gishnak

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It takes huevos to do what plank does. HUEVOS.

But anyway, I'm fine with it as is, but I'd be happy to see it go. Let's ban MK while we're at it. >.>
 

Lovage 805

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i have a lot of respect for people who can actually ledge camp like plank i mean ****...you seriously have to have no soul and get fun out of your head to do that stuff
 

KosukeKGA

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^ AKA, if you do it, you aren't being intelligent about the whole situation of the Smash scene...Which is to have fun and play... *to win*.

I mean, why even play that way?
 

KosukeKGA

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Well, I'm addressing the point on it being used extensively...Throughout a good portion of the match. ._.;

Sure it works...But are you really getting pleasure and enjoyment out of doing so?
 
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