Sleepy
Smash Ace
Can anyone confirm if UpB beats getup attacks? I think I just did it to marth
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Q&A Ask Mango Falcon Questions =D and other things
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Spaghetti
Smash Apprentice
are you talking about like up-b as a punish to a getup attack in front of you? because if you're predicting a getup attack from a marth i'd think you'd have 92893724629374 better options
even if upb does work
Sleepy
Smash Ace
yes, I'm just trying to figure out if the UP-b can go through the invincibility, it was more of a joke. A happy accident as some would say, not that I would do it as a practical use for punishing.
Spaghetti
Smash Apprentice
lol now im curious if this works too, i wanna try using it
Drodeka
Smash Journeyman
what can I do out of shield
against falco
i try back wavedash
it works sometimes =)
but his dair stun ****s me
and i get shined most of the time
plz help
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kyaputenfarukon07
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Source: http://smashboards.com/threads/detailed-throws-techs-and-getups-frame-data.206469/#post-5896012
Author: Magus420
I dont think Marth's get up attack is fully intangible/invincible during the entire animation.
Here is the extra Frame Data for Marth that is not in the Marth hitbox thread.
Here are the 2 possible scenarios with get up attacks.
If Marth is lying on his stomach
Getup-Attack (Stomach)
Total Frames of the animation: 49
Active Hitbox Frames: 22-23 (Front), 27-28 (Behind)
Invincible : 1-28
There are 21 frames where Marth is not invincible after the first 28 frames of the animation.
and his back
Getup-Attack (Back)
Total Frames of the animation: 49
Active Hitbox Frames: 20-23 (Behind), 30-31 (Front)
Invincible: 1-31
There are 18 frames where Marth is not invincible after the first 31 frames of the animation.
You made a really hard read for the up-b grab lol or the lack thereof lol. You can use other moves (that are better) as well for the punish but its hard to distinguish sometimes through visual cues because it can be delayed or given other options that can selected based on stage position and habits. Unless you have impressive auditory reaction time which is considered faster than visual reaction time.
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Stomp OoS beats SHFFL>Shine from spacies. But it's only a mix up, if they do SHFFL>SHFFL or SHFFL>Utilt, Stomp will get stuffed and you're going to eat a big punish. So mix in wavedash back, rolls, and even Uair OoS.
You shouldn't be trying to do anything OoS against Fox and Falco if they hit your shield with a low aerial. They're both completely safe
If you think they're doing bad shield pressure, shield grab comes out frame 8, fastest option you have. Stomp pulls up Falcon's legs and dodges Falco's shine on frame 12. Uair comes out frame 11, Nair on frame 12. (all after shield stun from Dair ends). Remember shine comes out on frame 3 after Falco's perfect Dair, on frame 2 for a Nair.
Safest option is buffer roll or wavedash back (both still get hit by a perfect shffl shine).
You shouldn't be trying to do anything OoS against Fox and Falco if they hit your shield with a low aerial. They're both completely safe
If Falco does a perfect low Dair, Shine comes out the 3rd frame after shieldstun ends. This means if you try to do anything as Falcon, you're gonna get hit. So you just gotta hold that shield button until shine is over. After the shine, you can do an OoS option, the best one just depends on whether you think Falco will do an early aerial, a fade aerial, a double shine, waveshine etc.
If you think they're doing bad shield pressure, shield grab comes out frame 8, fastest option you have. Stomp pulls up Falcon's legs and dodges Falco's shine on frame 12. Uair comes out frame 11, Nair on frame 12. (all after shield stun from Dair ends). Remember shine comes out on frame 3 after Falco's perfect Dair, on frame 2 for a Nair.
Safest option is buffer roll or wavedash back (both still get hit by a perfect shffl shine).
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thefifth5
Smash Cadet
(Since your puff threads closed)
Yo, Mango, got any tips for the Doc matchup as Puff?
Yo, Mango, got any tips for the Doc matchup as Puff?
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
eyo that's not how this works
Alex69
Smash Rookie
Can you help me become a better falcon player
S.U.N.
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Hey Mango Im a newbie to smash boards as you can see from the name, but I have been watching and playing for a long time about 1 year and I wan to know any tips on improving my falcon as a whole? Also how to style cause some of my friends are garb lol. I really appreciate it!
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
General Improvement: work on control, speed, and precision. get it to the point where you can do whatever you want whenever you want. that comes from practice by yourself or by playing a lot (usually both)
in terms of styling- try wacky **** and go all out
just do it
in terms of styling- try wacky **** and go all out
just do it
Estwood
Smash Apprentice
Who's favour is it in when it's Marth vs Falcon?
Da Shuffla
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Even. Maybe slightly in Marth's favor, but basically even.
Drodeka
Smash Journeyman
I think slightly in Marth's favor, but Falcon can combo Marth harder than most characters and can usually stop him from recovering with Side B. Even, if both character's are playing well into their strengths.
Marth has better Neutral game because Falcon can't get in easily, Falcon has better combos and movement.
Marth has better Neutral game because Falcon can't get in easily, Falcon has better combos and movement.
S.U.N.
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Thank you I'll try
Gweedo888
Smash Rookie
so this is my first post hopefully i don't sound like a complete idiot lol but when doing neutral jump down B L cancel what are my options after that? is it always up b or should i hold off till they fall enough to knee them
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
i...
i dont understand
strongboy
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Hell, why not?
Mr. Bean
Smash Apprentice
Does mango still reply to this?
kyaputenfarukon07
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Nope not at all zippo zilch n0ne zero null 0
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n0ne
Smash Ace
U called?
kyaputenfarukon07
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Ya your falcon is really dope and fast reminds me a bit of s2j
but the ganon boards are so much better for chatting
but the ganon boards are so much better for chatting
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Let's not give him any stupid ideas
Da Shuffla
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kyaputenfarukon07
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The funny thing is that he could probably do it better than anyone else currently. LMAO
EUROPEANonymous
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is it possible to do Dair > Moonwalk > knee on spacies as a real combo ?
i cant pull it out by myself
i cant pull it out by myself
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
absolutely
Karnage
Smash Rookie
>be me
>goes to smashboard
>of reading falcon guide
>see mango typing
>greentext stronk
>goes to smashboard
>of reading falcon guide
>see mango typing
>greentext stronk
dfrogman
Smash Cadet
whats ur favorite kind of whiskey
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
makers mark
disclaimer- im not mango.
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Maurice Tierney
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Why do I loose to Marth.
Bu$
HoC
Maybe because your combo game isn't strong enough, spacing, DD bait and grabbing may not be up to par. It's not easy but the matchup is simple. The rest is probably match to match intricacies
CeLL
Smash Lord
Are either nair -> jab or knee -> jab unable to be grabbed on shield?
Mastodon
Smash Apprentice
Two questions:
Are JC'ed grabs strictly better than falcon's dash grab? I know there's much less lag time on the JC grabs, but the grab box is so much bigger on the dash grab. I mean, it seems as long as you read their tech roll or whatever it the JC grab seems to always connect, but I just wanted to know if I should always be JC grabbing or if the regular dash grab is ever okay.
Second question: anyone have any good applications for falcon's pivot? Preferably in a video so I can see? I remember learning about using pivots a long time ago when I first started playing the game, but I never really put much time into it and now I've found that they're a good tool to use with falcon.
Are JC'ed grabs strictly better than falcon's dash grab? I know there's much less lag time on the JC grabs, but the grab box is so much bigger on the dash grab. I mean, it seems as long as you read their tech roll or whatever it the JC grab seems to always connect, but I just wanted to know if I should always be JC grabbing or if the regular dash grab is ever okay.
Second question: anyone have any good applications for falcon's pivot? Preferably in a video so I can see? I remember learning about using pivots a long time ago when I first started playing the game, but I never really put much time into it and now I've found that they're a good tool to use with falcon.
Mastodon
Smash Apprentice
Also, mango pls come back to us
plx
plx
CaramelCenter
Smash Rookie
How do I
extend my
moonwalks because
I'm
doing the thing i gotta do
but then not going
as far as i'm
seeing other
stuff.
Also I challenged you to a $50 money matched you to dodge ball on your stream. Teams of 5. no face hits. standard catching rules apply. best of 5. final destination/gym floor is the only legal stage. are we gonna dodge ball it?
extend my
moonwalks because
I'm
doing the thing i gotta do
but then not going
as far as i'm
seeing other
stuff.
Also I challenged you to a $50 money matched you to dodge ball on your stream. Teams of 5. no face hits. standard catching rules apply. best of 5. final destination/gym floor is the only legal stage. are we gonna dodge ball it?
Mastodon
Smash Apprentice
Are you dash dancing in the direction you want to go first? Most videos don't say you have to do the dash dance to get your momentum going in the direction you actually want to go.
So, if you want to actually slide to the right it should be:
+ ( )and of course, the opposite for left:
+ ()Both of these inputs really need to be quick. If you're not going as far as you should be, you just have to work on the timing. Its a fairly precise input.
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Except
you shouldn't have a half-circle back, it should be elliptical so that you don't cancel your momentum. Other than that, good description.Are you dash dancing in the direction you want to go first? Most videos don't say you have to do the dash dance to get your momentum going in the direction you actually want to go.
So, if you want to actually slide to the right it should be:
and of course, the opposite for left:
Both of these inputs really need to be quick. If you're not going as far as you should be, you just have to work on the timing. Its a fairly precise input.