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[Goldenadept]

when i know bair is too stale to use offstage or if I'm not too serious about the match then I'll chase my opponent off stage and close range nair them with the start up hit, it kills pretty well for such an underutilized move, mind you it kills at like 150% though, so maybe bair is a better choice X3 still... its mighty fancy and i know how much wolf likes looking fancy

 

[tekkie]

what is the best option if your opponent lands behind you and you're in shield? usmash? nair? bair maybe?

also: retreating fair offstage. effing awesome or stupidest idea ever?

 

[Ishiey]

what is the best option if your opponent lands behind you and you're in shield? usmash? nair? bair maybe?

Just landing without an attack?... I'd say FH shine OoS? 8 frames of invincibilty starting on frame 7, and a counter attack out on frame 15 to hit taller characters and anyone that jumps instantly? Idk, that'd leave you open for uairs though...

also: retreating fair offstage. effing awesome or stupidest idea ever?

Both :3

 

[tedeth]

I guess it depends what character you're against and how fast they can get something out. Usmash oos would be pretty safe against most characters, especially if they're wanting to land from like a SHAD or something.

 

[onionchowder]

I can't seem to get the hang of Wolf Flash (Side-B) cancel points. I know there are 2 of them, and I checked the WolfBackRoom guide, but there isn't very good specific information on performing the cancel.

Is there a frame # or a visual cue I should use to help me side-B cancel?

 

[tedeth]

You can use a aural cue if it helps. Press it when he goes "hua" or however you would spell that sound.

It's just practice.

 

[onionchowder]

^is the "hua" for the short or middle cancel point?

I guess i'll just practice 1/2 speed until I get it.

 

[tekkie]

Just landing without an attack?... I'd say FH shine OoS? 8 frames of invincibilty starting on frame 7, and a counter attack out on frame 15 to hit taller characters and anyone that jumps instantly? Idk, that'd leave you open for uairs though...

i mean if theyre like "CHECK THIS MIXUP OUT *****ES IM GONNA LAND BEHIND THEM THIS TIME AND GRAB OR JAB OR SOME ****" and you wanna be all like "NO U YOU ****ER I READ THAT **** LIKE A MENU"

im thinking usmash but i dunno. FH shine seems like itd take too long.

maybe we should collect questions that we cant really answer definitively and test them or something

 

[onionchowder]

Also, is there a list of characters who, at standing height, will be hit by Wolf's sh-Bair/shine?

 

[tedeth]

^is the "hua" for the short or middle cancel point?

I guess i'll just practice 1/2 speed until I get it.

I suggest practicing on full speed. You need muscle memory more than anything.

And with the sound there's such a short difference in the timings it doesn't really help lol. It's just a rough guideline. I Told someone else about the sound thing and they got a bit more consistant with it so i donno.

 

[Ishiey]

Yeah man, we should make these lists and stuff. It's really important to know who you can hit with a quick SH bair and fair at max range...

Tekkie, we need to start hardcore crunching frame data. Usmash is too slow to beat out a proper grab, same speed as bair OoS, but we can retreat that. Only reason I said jumpshine was it would auto beat any grounded/low altitude attack attempt at full speed if we had inputs right when as they landed...

EDIT: Wow I sound so stoned in the first sentence. I'm fine though, promise =P

 

[tekkie]

Yeah man, we should make these lists and stuff. It's really important to know who you can hit with a quick SH bair and fair at max range...

Tekkie, we need to start hardcore crunching frame data. Usmash is too slow to beat out a proper grab, same speed as bair OoS, but we can retreat that. Only reason I said jumpshine was it would auto beat any grounded/low altitude attack attempt at full speed if we had inputs right when as they landed...

EDIT: Wow I sound so stoned in the first sentence. I'm fine though, promise =P

are you saying FH shine before they hit the ground? i can understand that because you know jumpshine beats every other aerial in the game

 

[Ishiey]

Uhh.... >_> I meant right when they land, but sure past a point, it's pretty safe actually. Jumpshine when they're on the way down and can't hit you with an aerial if you're grounded, in theory it seems like the perfect defensive option...

I really don't know. My brain is refusing to think properly today x_x

 

[Goldenadept]

does jump shine/shine protect your head and feet? could say an mk hit you with a dair on the head even as the shine comes out? or does it emcompass wolfs body?

 

[tedeth]

You get invincibility during it which basically means you have no hurtbox. So no nothing can hit you.

 

[Goldenadept]

wolf is too cool <3

 

[castorpollux]

check out this hat that i saw at a Vans store yestarday

 

[tekkie]

check out this hat that i saw at a Vans store yestarday

holy **** wtf

 

[Ishiey]

I'm going to get this hat.

And I hate wearing hats.

But it's a ****ing wolf pirate.

 

[tekkie]

i am having issues finding this hat on the interwebs. :O

 

[Wolf4Evah]

This is just a small point, but I'm pretty sure wolf can jab cancel stuff effectively. I've jab canceled into dtilt, ftilt, utilt, fsmash and downsmash. These work pretty well (except for dsmash, which is stupid) and i was wondering if this actually works against good players, and if its an actual wolf strategy.

 

[tekkie]

This is just a small point, but I'm pretty sure wolf can jab cancel stuff effectively. I've jab canceled into dtilt, ftilt, utilt, fsmash and downsmash. These work pretty well (except for dsmash, which is stupid) and i was wondering if this actually works against good players, and if its an actual wolf strategy.

if they're trying to hit you with something back then you get rocked. DK does this sometimes with jab.

 

[Goldenadept]

yeah its good to do for a mix up, like most ppl with think you'll try to do all three jabs so if you stop after the 1st or 2nd chances are that they'll be shielding so you can run up and try to grab them

 

[rvkevin]

So, I hear Wolf sucks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzctuPygaD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bDeuer0Nw

 

[Seagull Joe]

So, I hear Wolf sucks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzctuPygaD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bDeuer0Nw

So much Green Wolf. I haven't gotten ***** by Turtle this much so most of them aren't me. Who are all the Green Wolf's? I'm guessing me, JJ, and I can't think of any other Green Wolf.

 

[Sesshomuronay]

Omg that hat is awesome.

 

[Goldenadept]

i wanna say that was me getting ***** by turtle there but i mostly use blue wolf, sometimes white. good stuff turtle, you wolf slayer you

 

[Sesshomuronay]

So, I hear Wolf sucks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzctuPygaD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bDeuer0Nw

Turtl is like some kind of wolfslayer.

 

[VK-137]

Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but what are wolf's best teams?

 

[Goldenadept]

wolf does not do good in teams, he doesnt even do good by himself, just pair him with ganon, for the lulz

 

[Ishiey]

I disagree with Golden, Wolf has great air speed and great aerials (fair/bair/uair). In teams I feel like he can control horizontal airspace very well, but from what I can tell most people think he sucks, so idk.

Don't know any particular teams that work well though, sorry

 

[castorpollux]

he doesn't do well in double metaknight teams

 

[Goldenadept]

i think maybe snake or mk would compliment wolf pretty well, snake can cover the ground and wolf the air etc, then mk can do whatever the wolf is lacking in

 

[rvkevin]

i think maybe snake or mk would compliment wolf pretty well, snake can cover the ground and wolf the air etc, then mk can do whatever the wolf is lacking in

Snake or MK will always make a team better in doubles...it's still not going to help against double MK or a MK/Snake team.

 

[tekkie]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=260661

Wolf: Tank Punish
Carry- 3
Stock Tank- 8
Punisher- 7
DPS- 6
Good Offensive Support
Moderate Interference Issues
Energy Projectile (Punish)

i think the "Moderate Interference Issues" might be my fault. I'm awful at doubles and when I teamed with dekar in friendlies i beat him up (accidentally) quite a bit. lol

and yeah wolf sucks hard in doubles

 

[Seagull Joe]

I was doing doubles yesterday with Wolf+Zss vs TL+Lucario/Luigi/Zss. We won a majority of matches. I still think Wolf is bad in doubles though.

 

[Goldenadept]

double wolf while horrible is still awesome, if you're going wolf in teams have two wolfs, then you can have a wolf pack. no one else can top that. EVER

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

Wolf is awesome on teams if he teams with Snake. I don't main either but I've versed it before and it's ****. Just ask Tedeth if you wanna know why. You just gotta play smart and abuse certain strategies and it's untouchable.

 

[tedeth]

Well I wouldn't say untouchable but it's not bad.

 

[tekkie]

do we have any real solid concrete information on chaingrabs and tilt locks?

like, i want to ask about shiek's tilt lock but i don't want to hear "i'm pretty sure you DI away and mash buttans lol"

have we ever actually tested any of the stuff that ***** wofl and if so where do we hide it?