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Around the World: Regional Variations and the Dojo
- Thread starter kirbykid
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When Super Smash Bros. Melee was on the road to release, Sakurai kept the Japanese fans of the series up-to-date on what was happening with the game on a site called “Smabura-Ken”. Smabura-Ken was only available in Japanese, although Nintendo of America maintained their own site at smashbros.com that included much of the same information on characters and stages. After Melee was released and Sakurai began revealing hidden characters and stages on Smabura-Ken, the same characters and stages would simultaneously be revealed on the American site.
When Smash Bros. Dojo!! was launched as our source for Brawl news, it proved interesting for the fact that it provided updates not only in Japanese, but in English, German, French, Spanish, and Italian. Despite the fact that only the Japanese site featured some of the polls that were held soon after Brawl’s announcement, the daily updates have been pretty consistent across all the sites.
Of course, “pretty consistent” isn’t the same as “entirely consistent,” and localizing the updates for each region has created slightly different versions of each post. Some are just interesting to note, but one or two might even have implications for Brawl. Hit the break and see what happens when you read between the lines.
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With some of the more recent character updates, we’ve seen Sakurai provide us a banner warning us that a newcomer is about to enter the game. The banner reads, “Warning! Challenger Approaching!”, just like you’d see in Melee before fighting a character to unlock. Some have taken this to mean that the characters in these updates are hidden in the game, and we’ve done our part here by marking our posts before we mention them.
It’s true that some of these characters are later seen in updates without any kind of warning, both ones directly relating to the character, and others that just show the character in the game. And it’s also true that Sakurai didn’t reveal any secret characters on Smabura-Ken before the game was released, and Snake (who has been conspicuously absent since the Dojo relaunched) has been said to be a secret character. With that said, though, the reality of the situation might be better explained by how international fans of the games see these updates.
Before a newcomer is revealed, for example, the Spanish see this:
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ike_070801e1.jpg" alt="ike_070801e1.jpg" /></p>
which roughly translates the same way as the English warning (my rudimentary Spanish skills suggest that it’s something like “Danger! A rival is coming!”). However, if Sakurai is trying to warn us before we see the new characters that are about to enter the game, the truth is he’s doing quite a disservice to Japanese visitors. Here’s what they saw when Ike was revealed:
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ike_070801ejp.jpg" alt="ike_070801ejp.jpg" /></p>
Now, here’s what they saw when the Pokémon Trainer was revealed:
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/pokemon_trainer_070813j.jpg" height="85" width="479" /></p>
Curious that the warnings aren’t the same, right? Not really—the warnings themselves contain the names of the characters! According to our resident interpreter SamuraiPanda, this banner simply reads “Pokémon Trainer Enters!!” (He notes that “the word for ‘enters’ has the connotation of entering into a war.”)
Now, it would seem that if Sakurai really wanted to make sure people wouldn’t spoil themselves, he wouldn’t have the Japanese site posting giant banners with spoilers on them. So why include them in the first place? Probably just to call attention to the fact that these characters are new, just like the “Newcomer” stills that were in the first Brawl trailer. And the fact that the other regional sites don’t seem to honor this is probably just an artifact of the localization process.
The bottom line? In my view, at least, it’s not entirely likely that Ike and Pokémon Trainer (or Red, if you prefer) will end up being unlockable characters. My guess is they’re starters, and Sakurai just likes calling attention to them. The reason we think otherwise is simply due to how things get translated across the regional Dojo sites, and the real unlockables will be revealed after the game hits shelves.
When Smash Bros. Dojo!! was launched as our source for Brawl news, it proved interesting for the fact that it provided updates not only in Japanese, but in English, German, French, Spanish, and Italian. Despite the fact that only the Japanese site featured some of the polls that were held soon after Brawl’s announcement, the daily updates have been pretty consistent across all the sites.
Of course, “pretty consistent” isn’t the same as “entirely consistent,” and localizing the updates for each region has created slightly different versions of each post. Some are just interesting to note, but one or two might even have implications for Brawl. Hit the break and see what happens when you read between the lines.
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ike_070801e.jpg" /></p>
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With some of the more recent character updates, we’ve seen Sakurai provide us a banner warning us that a newcomer is about to enter the game. The banner reads, “Warning! Challenger Approaching!”, just like you’d see in Melee before fighting a character to unlock. Some have taken this to mean that the characters in these updates are hidden in the game, and we’ve done our part here by marking our posts before we mention them.
It’s true that some of these characters are later seen in updates without any kind of warning, both ones directly relating to the character, and others that just show the character in the game. And it’s also true that Sakurai didn’t reveal any secret characters on Smabura-Ken before the game was released, and Snake (who has been conspicuously absent since the Dojo relaunched) has been said to be a secret character. With that said, though, the reality of the situation might be better explained by how international fans of the games see these updates.
Before a newcomer is revealed, for example, the Spanish see this:
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ike_070801e1.jpg" alt="ike_070801e1.jpg" /></p>
which roughly translates the same way as the English warning (my rudimentary Spanish skills suggest that it’s something like “Danger! A rival is coming!”). However, if Sakurai is trying to warn us before we see the new characters that are about to enter the game, the truth is he’s doing quite a disservice to Japanese visitors. Here’s what they saw when Ike was revealed:
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ike_070801ejp.jpg" alt="ike_070801ejp.jpg" /></p>
Now, here’s what they saw when the Pokémon Trainer was revealed:
<p style="text-align: center"><img src="/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/pokemon_trainer_070813j.jpg" height="85" width="479" /></p>
Curious that the warnings aren’t the same, right? Not really—the warnings themselves contain the names of the characters! According to our resident interpreter SamuraiPanda, this banner simply reads “Pokémon Trainer Enters!!” (He notes that “the word for ‘enters’ has the connotation of entering into a war.”)
Now, it would seem that if Sakurai really wanted to make sure people wouldn’t spoil themselves, he wouldn’t have the Japanese site posting giant banners with spoilers on them. So why include them in the first place? Probably just to call attention to the fact that these characters are new, just like the “Newcomer” stills that were in the first Brawl trailer. And the fact that the other regional sites don’t seem to honor this is probably just an artifact of the localization process.
The bottom line? In my view, at least, it’s not entirely likely that Ike and Pokémon Trainer (or Red, if you prefer) will end up being unlockable characters. My guess is they’re starters, and Sakurai just likes calling attention to them. The reason we think otherwise is simply due to how things get translated across the regional Dojo sites, and the real unlockables will be revealed after the game hits shelves.
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Kinnikuman
Guest
I SAID THIS WHOLE THING IN THE PT TOPIC YESTERDAY ABOUT IT SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS!!!!! LOOK AT MY LAST COUPLE OF POST!
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Kinnikuman
Guest
Thankyou sooooo much for writing this topic I was trying to explain some of this stuff.
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Gamer Blue
Guest
I don’t want to read this. What’s it about?
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victorstk
Guest
oh i think i got it this means that the unlockables characters will not be revealed on the smash dojo site… they will only be revealed when the game is launched
this means that snake is a unlockable character…
ok now i see why they didn’t updade sonic the hedgehog
this means that snake is a unlockable character…
ok now i see why they didn’t updade sonic the hedgehog
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Kinnikuman
Guest
This Topic states that Pokemon Trainer and Ike will be playable from the start along with anyone else that has the “warning challenger approaching” thing.
This is awesome because when the game comes out so far I have it planned that I will be either Pokemon Trainer or Wario first.
What happened to gamer blue and jalapneo I haven’t seen them in a while?
This is awesome because when the game comes out so far I have it planned that I will be either Pokemon Trainer or Wario first.
What happened to gamer blue and jalapneo I haven’t seen them in a while?
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victorstk
Guest
…… that sucks… i was thinking that the newcomers were secret characters
but at least it will be cool playing with ike and pokemon trainer as starters characters
and sorry if you don’t understand my english i’m a brazilian and i’m still studying english
brazilian football team for brawl now !!! ehheehhe
but at least it will be cool playing with ike and pokemon trainer as starters characters
and sorry if you don’t understand my english i’m a brazilian and i’m still studying english
brazilian football team for brawl now !!! ehheehhe
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Sneaky 2.0
Guest
Makes one want to see if the banner will be there for Snake, if they put him in an update.
Kinnikuman — hey, cool that we were thinking the same things. I actually wrote this post earlier this week (after Pokemon Trainer was annnounced) and just queued it up to be posted today, so I didn’t see your posts. I’m sure I’m not the first one to have noticed it, but I did want to point it out to our readers.
Sneaky — if Snake ends up being an unlockable character (as Sakurai has suggested) then having a Snake update at all before the game comes out will admittedly harm the theory. But it will be interesting to see what Sakurai does to hide the real spoilers when it comes time.
Sneaky — if Snake ends up being an unlockable character (as Sakurai has suggested) then having a Snake update at all before the game comes out will admittedly harm the theory. But it will be interesting to see what Sakurai does to hide the real spoilers when it comes time.
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THOR-AXE
Guest
Pretty cool I think I’ll actually start playing with Samus 1st then Poke-trainer.
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THOR-AXE
Guest
oh and if this is true that the hidden characters won’t be seen on the dojo till after the games release and if what kinnikuman posted last monday is also true then only 3 more characters will be revealed.
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THOR-AXE
Guest
oops I ment 5 more characters excluding transformations
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Gamer Blue
Guest
Hello. Next week will be two new stages because they haven’t had a stage in a while. August 2nd was the last one I believe.
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sweet zelda
Guest
yeah i guess so
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Kinnikuman
Guest
New Character #3 = Tom Nook
I’m glad my words are being recognized! I plan on trying to main with PT so it would be good to get the game and play as him first.
Yeah I guess you’re right Thor
I’m glad my words are being recognized! I plan on trying to main with PT so it would be good to get the game and play as him first.
Yeah I guess you’re right Thor
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awesome ivan
Guest
i wonder if luigi has a different up B this time around… just a thought. anyways, this is… well… good! i was very worryed that we wont get all the characters since theres only like 85 updates left. he might show sonic though during the last week so that everyone goes: “OMG! OMG! SONIC! SONIC! GOTTA BUY THIS GAME NOW!” or in other words, to build hype.
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Kinnikuman
Guest
If Sonic is in the game (I don’t think he is) He will be December 3rd’s update.
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Kinnikuman
Guest
Guys I’ve recieved an update from “The Prophet” Stating that Ness is Gone and the next character update will be Lucas.
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rirox
Guest
Hello ; I did’nt find the “contact” category so I’m writing here,I simply hope one of this blog authors will read this.
So,I found your weblog ,and I think it is one of the best smash bros blogs ever.I’m french ,and I would be really very keen on translating some of your articles in french,so I ask for your agreement.
I know many people who would be interested by all your articles and analyses,but who can’t pass out the “language bareer”.I’m not extremly good at english (as you can see) but I know I wouldn’t betray the sense of your texts I you allowed me to translate it.
This could carry some more readers to your blog (even if I’m sure you don’t need this ),and the translated texts would be put on “ssb-experience.com”,the biggest french website on the smash bros series.Of course,the origin of every article (so, http://smashbrawl.com ^^) would be quote every time,and it is possible to make a link to your blog.It’s not really a partenership ask,because you would’nt have to write about this website if you dont’ want to.
This is simply an ask,and you are free to answer that you don’t need that,or that is useless,of course,but I ‘m sure that it would be very interesting for many french people.
Thank you in advance for your answer,
Rirox
So,I found your weblog ,and I think it is one of the best smash bros blogs ever.I’m french ,and I would be really very keen on translating some of your articles in french,so I ask for your agreement.
I know many people who would be interested by all your articles and analyses,but who can’t pass out the “language bareer”.I’m not extremly good at english (as you can see) but I know I wouldn’t betray the sense of your texts I you allowed me to translate it.
This could carry some more readers to your blog (even if I’m sure you don’t need this ),and the translated texts would be put on “ssb-experience.com”,the biggest french website on the smash bros series.Of course,the origin of every article (so, http://smashbrawl.com ^^) would be quote every time,and it is possible to make a link to your blog.It’s not really a partenership ask,because you would’nt have to write about this website if you dont’ want to.
This is simply an ask,and you are free to answer that you don’t need that,or that is useless,of course,but I ‘m sure that it would be very interesting for many french people.
Thank you in advance for your answer,
Rirox
Yomon
Smash Apprentice
Kinnikuman, I sure hope that’s correct. I’m dying to see what Mother characters look like in Brawl. Especially Lucas, because Mother 3 didn’t have any official art of the characters, so all you get is the little pixely characters in the game.
*crosses fingers that the characters don’t look too anime*
*crosses fingers that the characters don’t look too anime*
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Kinnikuman
Guest
I hope Ness is still in because I liked him in melee alot and I would hate to see his moveset go. But if Lucas was similar to ness in almost everyway I would be okay wit that
Even though I post info from the “Prophet” I don’t believe him.
Next New Character Update = Tom Nook
Even though I post info from the “Prophet” I don’t believe him.
Next New Character Update = Tom Nook
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EvilToad01
Guest
I’m pretty sure Lucas and Ness are almost the same. You wouldn’t want them both in the game anyway because they’d be clones.
I don’t know why, but I got a hunch the next character update will be Captain Falcon. We haven’t seen ANY clues about his presence except for the Samurai Goroh AT and the F-Zero car sticker. I hope the reason is because they’re making all-new awesome F-zero stages!
I don’t know why, but I got a hunch the next character update will be Captain Falcon. We haven’t seen ANY clues about his presence except for the Samurai Goroh AT and the F-Zero car sticker. I hope the reason is because they’re making all-new awesome F-zero stages!
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Gamer Blue
Guest
Next new character update: Meta-Knight
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ArtyTheB
Guest
Personally I’m hoping to hear more about some of the characters they’ve already announced. Such as:
How can Yoshi’s Up-Special can be used as a recovery?
WIll DK finally be given a projectile attack?
Will Zelda still be able to turn into Sheik?
everyone knows what Kirby’s final smash is because it was in the E3 video but it still hasn’t been put in as an update. How does it work? Can it only effect one enemy?
And, if the big explosion in the E3 video, which we now know to be the Wario Waft, isn’t Wario’s final smash, what is?
How can Yoshi’s Up-Special can be used as a recovery?
WIll DK finally be given a projectile attack?
Will Zelda still be able to turn into Sheik?
everyone knows what Kirby’s final smash is because it was in the E3 video but it still hasn’t been put in as an update. How does it work? Can it only effect one enemy?
And, if the big explosion in the E3 video, which we now know to be the Wario Waft, isn’t Wario’s final smash, what is?
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speed demon fox_
Guest
hey does anyone here have a myspace?
i know im not supposed to to talk about myspace but ii need some more friends im not finn to stay at 100. at least five ppl.
i know im not supposed to to talk about myspace but ii need some more friends im not finn to stay at 100. at least five ppl.
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speed demon fox_
Guest
PS: the next character update is c.falcon
or luigi(it better be) i miss want to kick his ass like i do in melee. lol
or a final smash (maybe Wario’s, Ike’s, or Fox’s.
IMPORTANT: read my other update.
or luigi(it better be) i miss want to kick his ass like i do in melee. lol
or a final smash (maybe Wario’s, Ike’s, or Fox’s.
IMPORTANT: read my other update.
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speed demon fox_
Guest
PSS my myspace is http://myspace.com/djjakacig
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speed demon fox_
Guest
check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wgWoAslv2c&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wgWoAslv2c&mode=related&search=
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ChozoChampion
Guest
this just proves that some people have way too much spare time
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ssbb kid 27
Guest
THE NEXT UPDATE SHOULD BE A GOOD ONE
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FalcoRoy
Guest
next newcomer= blaziken
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FalcoRoy
Guest
he would be the last pokemon character or lucario
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speed demon fox_
Guest
you talking about that video Chozo?
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EdwardGordon
Guest
Here’s my list of 59 characters.
You can substitute Ness for Lucas,
and if you don’t like 3rd party characters then ignore the bottom row (exception KingDeedee)
Note: They are all characters that originated from Nintendo (one exception)
I think its a pretty good list. I think all of them are good possibilities. Or at least a few as just assists.
Enjoy:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/gordredrum/ssbb2.jpg
You can substitute Ness for Lucas,
and if you don’t like 3rd party characters then ignore the bottom row (exception KingDeedee)
Note: They are all characters that originated from Nintendo (one exception)
I think its a pretty good list. I think all of them are good possibilities. Or at least a few as just assists.
Enjoy:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/gordredrum/ssbb2.jpg
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EdwardGordon
Guest
Oh, and I believe there will be no character reveals next week.
One item. (Pokeball)
Two stages. (Pokemon Stadium and a new one)
One Final Smash.
One How To Play.
Not in that order. If I’m wrong… sue me.
One item. (Pokeball)
Two stages. (Pokemon Stadium and a new one)
One Final Smash.
One How To Play.
Not in that order. If I’m wrong… sue me.
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METROID MAN
Guest
homeless did u add me
kirby kirby kirby….ADD ME
srry administrators, but once one of the guys adds me, ill shut up
kirby kirby kirby….ADD ME
srry administrators, but once one of the guys adds me, ill shut up
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ChozoChampion
Guest
yeah i was fox…it was cool but how bored do you have to be to learn to do that
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ChozoChampion
Guest
i agree with edward on the char thing. though id rather not c anymore how to plays we may get a mode? classic possibly? all-star? maybe even a new single mode?
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homelessvagrant
Guest
no keep screaming Metroid Man, Mic please give us a wii code blog, just one.
But still great blog. Now the other bloggers can shut up about this.
But still great blog. Now the other bloggers can shut up about this.