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Armada is your Melee EVO 2015 Champion!

iNSOMNIACssbm

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I would have loved to see HBox win Evo this year, he really deserves more recognition, (as a good player, not just another smasher) and respect as being, probably the best Jigglypuff main out there. Leffen's loss early in bracket was a bit of a surprise to me, but since he was in the Samus matchup, which isn't known well by many players, but Plup earned his win. Mang0's salt has also been REALLY disrespectful lately. It almost disgusts me that he claims he has the "power of the USA tag".
 

BZero

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I really wish Leffen or Mang0 would've won, but I'm proud of Armada. He deserved to win. He put in so much work.
 

Vigihes

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We shouldn't pay attention to what the crowd was thinking about HBox. This crowd is a mix of all fighting game fans so they are not really from the Smash community.
 

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I really wish Leffen or Mang0 would've won, but I'm proud of Armada. He deserved to win. He put in so much work.
It was really unexpected, tbh. You see Mango in a lot of tournaments just taking everyone down, yet he didn't make it.

Did you notice how the majority of the Top 8 bracket was made up of Us players? That is just sad.
 

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The argument over H-Box's ledge camping is why the competitive Melee crowd can be so annoying to listen to. Its Evo, did anyone watch SF4 at all? Do you people understand that approaching for no reason doesn't help you, or that its incredibly common in other fighting games to sit back and frustrate your opponent? People don't boo a turtling Guile, only in Smash do you get this level of immaturity.
 

RWB

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That last game game between HBox and Mango isnt something I would label "deserved".

Yes, the facts are that Mango SD'd twice at low percentages. Only someone idiotic or uninformed would say otherwise. However, saying HBox DESERVED the win doesn't really go by well either. Sure, the man played well and/or correctly, and a top 8 EVO finish can prove it. That being said, no matter how well you play, you are NEVER actually taking a stock from your opponent when they SD. The name is self explanatory-- SELF Destruct. Mango basically threw away 2 stocks for whatever reasons he may have. HBox didnt land some combo on him to take those stocks. Hungrybox did NOT deserve those stocks, as he never earned them. However, this is a competition. The phrase we all have come to mindlessly spew during commentary "WE TAKE THOSE" is because we ACKNOWLEDGE a person's mistake, but show no mercy because we expect them to be capable of near "flawless" or top level play. The phrase isnt "WE EARN THOSE" for a reason. There was nothing that you worked for and earned, and if you did, it was minimal. Gimps are a different story because you BAIT your opponent into a bad position and KO them early. SDs? Nah, you didnt do crap.

Yes, Hbox took the win over Mango. Did he deserve it? I certainly believe he deserved the first game he won. Game 3? Depends. He certainly worked hard to take the remaining Mango stocks, but having it be such a close game with TWO SDs makes me firmly believe he MOST LIKELY would have lost. However, there was always that possibility of HBox pulling through, in the same fashion that Chu did vs HugS, or Mango did vs Plup game 2.

Eh, fair point about "deserved". However, Mango did deserve not to win over Hbox, because he made massive mistakes that cost him the match.

In the end, winning due to your opponent SD-ing is perhaps not as impressive as without, but it's on them. If they SD themselves out of victory, they don't deserve victory.
 

Delta Chae

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If you actually know how smash 4 works, you can't do that because invincibility runs out after second regrab and it only happened because of custom villager and staticmanny's custom sonic. So please don't say it happens every match when it doesn't.
You missed the point entirely. Smash 4 does not have ledge camping, if it did we'd need to institute another edge-grab limit to prevent planking. Smash 4 just has an extremely defensive and campy meta overall. The biggest reason for this is because of how ridiculously powerful shields are, the rate at which they deteriorate is low, they regenerate extremely quickly, there is almost no shield stun to speak of, and shields drop extremely quickly meaning that it's almost always a good option to wait in shield and then when your opponent hits you and either grab them or hit them with some other OoS option. In Melee if you try this you'll either get your shield broken (If you're facing Marth, Fox, Jigglypuff, or an Ice Climbers player that knows how to Wobble and this happens you're dead) or you'll get grabbed (And if you get grabbed by certain players like Mew2King you are going to die especially on FD).

As was stated by other users: Melee matches only become defensive and campy when Jigglypuff is involved.
 
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ImmortalSeasons

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HBox didn't deserve the win over Mango huh? Maybe so but Mango definitely deserved that loss. MangoNation is seriously the worst.
 

Calibrate

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Could you stop spoiling the winners in the titles of the articles? I haven't watched the tournament yet and I was looking for links to the stream..

Why not type: "Here are the Evo 2015 results!"?
 
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RWB

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As was stated by other users: Melee matches only become defensive and campy when Jigglypuff is involved.
BS. Any match featuring a good Fox vs a slower character is going to be very defensive(and campy) from the Fox's side.
Leffen camps Armada's Peach until it dies. Mango camps it when at his best or just loses to it when playing aggro.

Stop trying to talk as if camping doesn't exist when the arguably the best two Fox players in the world(Leffen and Armada) are very campy Foxes(I say this as a swede AND a fan of both), and Mango plays campy in several matchups as well if he wants to win.
 
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RoyIsOurBoy_TTG

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If you actually know how smash 4 works, you can't do that because invincibility runs out after second regrab and it only happened because of custom villager and staticmanny's custom sonic. So please don't say it happens every match when it doesn't.
Oh, sorry, I forgot that we were talking about that kind of camping, lol. Never mind what I said.
 
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Assuming makes an *** out of you and me. Great job. You wanna cookie? :) Guess I can call you a melee elitist? sorry kid, try again next time!
PM elitist here. :awesome: Your attempts at degrading me as a kid makes me laugh.
M2K's been having hand problems from what I hear, if he's taking a break to recuperate I'm all for it... I hardly even know you, how would I know if you're a noob?
and my statement was directed at the folks arguing over petty things... you happen to be one of them...
Am I being serious or trolling View attachment 62563
 
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RWB

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If you actually know how smash 4 works, you can't do that because invincibility runs out after second regrab and it only happened because of custom villager and staticmanny's custom sonic. So please don't say it happens every match when it doesn't.
StaticManny timeouts in vanilla, all the time. It had nothing to do with custom Sonic, just StaticManny's playstyle.

I mostly agree with you otherwise.
 

Delta Chae

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BS. Any match featuring a good Fox vs a slower character is going to be very defensive(and campy) from the Fox's side.
Leffen camps Armada's Peach until it dies. Mango camps it when at his best or just loses to it when playing aggro.

Stop trying to talk as if camping doesn't exist when the arguably the best two Fox players in the world(Leffen and Armada) are very campy Foxes(I say this as a swede AND a fan of both), and Mango plays campy in several matchups as well if he wants to win.
Armada never uses Peach against Fox anymore so that point is null and void.

I never said camping doesn't exist, anyone who tries to deny that Fox has laser camping has no idea what they're talking about. However, matches involving Fox are not nearly as campy as matches in Smash 4. Sure, Fox can run away and continue shooting lasers at you but you still have an opportunity to actually hit him during this. Smash 4 involves a lot of bait and punish, hit the opponent 3 to 5 times, back off, rinse and repeat unless you land the killing blow during that time. Also, did you even read the first part of my post? From the way you're talking it looks like you didn't. The problem with Smash 4 is the shields and how absurdly powerful they are. I don't mind the physics too much and I can get over the ledge mechanics, but shield should not always be a safe option. The only time when it's not is going up against Marth and Lucina and they're charging a shield breaker, but almost nobody uses those characters because of how bad they are otherwise.
 
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Kaibo

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I can't say I enjoyed the way Hbox played, but it was no reason for the entire crowd to cheer against him, tbh im glad he stopped the 3vo.:yeahboi:
 

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obvious newbie troll is obvious...

welcome to the REAL world of Smash, started by this 14+ year old game with a metagame that, for the most part, is optimized as far as it can go.

stick to your game, push its limits, do not side-b off the for glory stage, and no johns for novice losses. have a nice day!:cool:
WELCOME TO EVO WHERE WEVE BEEN WATCHING THE SAME ****TY GAME FOR 14 YEARS. YOU MUST MAIN FOX AT LEAST THIS MHCH TO ENTER!!
 

Yakazi

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Anyone know wheere to find the video of the last few matches of the melee finals? I've found everything before the big stage. I watched it yesterday but im trying to show a friend.
 

RoyIsOurBoy_TTG

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No i did not. If i had beaten amsa, i would have played hax.. ansa got 25th, losing one round after beating me, and i got 49th? Explain how i did not get 33rd plz
On SmashWiki it says you got 49th. I guess they're wrong then?
 
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Blea Gelo

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Unless amsa played somebody else inbetween me and hax, and he cnfused ahen he said he played hax after.
 

RoyIsOurBoy_TTG

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Do you have how i could contactthe pwrson that posts the results?
I'm afraid not. Technically anyone can edit a page on SmashWiki as long as they have an account, so it's not saying who edited the article, and I'm not sure who posted the results.
 
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Seriously if you found H-Box game cheap or lame you don't like Melee, you just like flashy and fast stuff.
Hang on, is that not what everyone loves Melee for? Flashy and fast, combo-eccentric gameplay? Other than the high skill-ceiling that Melee possesses over the other games, the argument that Melee is the best Smash Bros. of all is usually followed by the statement "because it's faster, allows for long combos and doesn't promote 'lame' gameplay like the other Smash's."

I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, and have people reply to me about 'fundamentals' and whatnot. But honestly, I'd love to hear why I'm wrong about this.
 

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WELCOME TO EVO WHERE WEVE BEEN WATCHING THE SAME ****TY GAME FOR 14 YEARS. YOU MUST MAIN FOX AT LEAST THIS MHCH TO ENTER!!
:facepalm: *sigh* I'll just pretend you're worth wasting my time...

first off, Fox ain't the end-all beat-all. Hungrybox got second place with Jigglypuff, no serious style, no flash, just the lightest fighter in Melee. No Fox, no Falco, no Shiek, or Falcon... he doesn't need 'em.

i don't care for Melee for my own reasons, but bashing it just to instigate trouble is not worth anyone's breath. anyone who does is making idiots of themselves...
 
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I think with how powerful shields are in smash 4, which I agree they are powerful, they should instead get rid of power shielding, it benefits characters like sheik so much more than almost anyone else.
 
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