Lets break this down:
It seems to me that everyone on this forum only cares about wavedashing and shffl. Why do so many people look down on the dodge roll? Simply because it is "noobish" and requires no "true" skill to do it?
Lets take this first. It appears that most people only care about wavedashing and shffling because most people that actually post in disscussions like this are actually not all that knowledgable. They are rather new to the scene and just hear that these techs make you instantly good so they care only about them. Yes, these techniques are quite useful but they do not make a player great. Generally, mindgames make a player great. Look at anki (sp?), he plays samus and never wavedashs yet is still a top player because of his mindgames. So techniques do make you better but mindgames are most likely the best bet to becoming good. And just like everything in life, both take skill.
About the dodge roll being "noobish". This comes from the fact that only using dodge roll is noobish. But on the counter point, only doing, say, Wavedash to forward smash would also be noobish. Constantly repeating a tactic over and over, no matter how good, will lead to the opponet figuring out how to counter said tactic and punish you for it.
I think that the dodgeroll is a very effective move and it easily catches a "pro" off guard because they don't expect such a noobish move.
Yes, it can catch a person of guard, but that fails after the first few times if that is all you do. You need to mix things up, change the way you play on the fly and react different all the time. That is what mindgames are all about. Now lets not get cocky and say its a "very effective move" as just like many other moves, it can be countered and predicted. Also, it may be completly un-effective for people who have bad rolls (aka. samus). So, the effectiveness of a roll really depends on a persons use of the roll into his mind games and the characters actuall roll speed, lag, etc.
I was wanting to know if anyone can explain to me why I should waste my time learning to wavedash when I can dodge roll 5,000x easier. Excuse me if I'm wrong and call me a noob and wish for my death if you want but... I really don't see why people look down on the dodge roll as if it's not an effective tactic.
Learning wavedashing will help with your mindgames. It opens new doors of possible counter attacks, ways to move about the field and overall flow of your gameplay. Take this example:
First without wavedashes learnt:
Samus goes to do her dash attack at you. You roll behind her. After clueing in that this is what you do she runs at you but instead of dash attacking she turns around and fsmash right were you roll because you thought she was going to dash attack.
With wavedashing:
Same senario except now you dont always roll, sometimes you wavedash behind here, and since you have no lag you attack instanly. Maybe you will wavedash away from the attack, wait till you can hit her and then do so. By not doing the same thing she will have a harder time predicting you and thus have a harder time beating you.
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On a side note: People that call you a noob are most likely noobs themselves, or are just jerks who want to make themselves feel better. Pay no attention to those idiots.
Plus wavedashing isn't even a real technique.... some loser was just goofing around and found out that you can airdodge into the groud and fly back.
You cant be more wrong on that point. Why would a product of the physics engine not be a real technique? Also, it has been proven that this technique is listed in the Debug menu as the "Wave Land Special" which is what the developers called it.
Also, you really shouldnt call someone a loser, that doesnt help you at all. You are just becoming one of those idiots that made fun of you in the first place.
I asked people to rate some videos and all they say is "You suck, go die, you don't wavedash!!!" they couldn't look past the fact that wavedashing and shffling isn't the most important part of the game.
As I said, they are idiots, give them not a second thought. And yes, they are not the most important part of the game. That would be the combination of advanced techs and mindgames along with your own fighting style to create your own personnal metagame.
Again, sorry if I'm just a noob and I need to quit playing smash brothers all together and just go die under a rock but please explain to me the reason behind this thread before I do all the above. Seeya 'round!
Dont be sorry, you have nothing to be sorry for. You have an honest and fair question and I have tried to enlighten you on the matter a bit. I hope this has helped at least a bit in understanding things. And on one final note, these are simply my opinions and are in no way opinions of the more knowlegdable members of smashboards. Humans do make mistakes but what I have presented is my understanding of things. We are all always learning new things you know.
