Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

[Oblivion129]

And I hate the nonofficial Reggie Mii.

And that Pac-Man's mouth splits him in half.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I'm sorry, I'm not meaning to be harsh or overly negative. I'm just saying that there is currently no way Chrom is getting in, even as DLC. If we're going to get DLC characters, they aren't going to start with a franchise that has four reps, and a game that has two.

Even if the fanbase explodes for Chrom (and his is currently nowhere near as large as some of the other characters, like Lucina's), he's still not likely to make it in as DLC, because Nintendo will likely figure (with some justification) that 90% of those Chrom fans are going to move on to the next Lord when the next Fire Emblem game comes out.

Chrom is out until he brings something new or has a large, persistent fanbase (similar to Mewtwo's, Villager's, or Little Mac's) clamoring for him to be in for years. That's just the reality of it.

I'm not anti-Chrom, guys. I'm pro-Robin and Lucina, sure, but I love all the characters in Awakening. I've played the game for more time than I care to think about. I love all the characters, and would be happy with tons more representation. I'd love to see Chrom make it in, flanked by his battle butler Frederick. But right now, he doesn't have a chance. We need to wait, see what he gets in SMTXFE, and then bombard Sakurai with new demand once there is a new moveset to pull from. That's really the only way Chrom might get in.

There is no need to wait for SMTxFE to make new movesets.

specially since the game might come out too late for DLC to have a chance, Chrom has more than enough material to work with, i'm sure Sakurai was just too smitten with Robin to even care to look.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Honestly, i don't see why sakurai is blinded so much by moveset.

Ike was one of the most popular newcomers in brawl and he wasn't unique: being able to be resumed as "link with no projectiles" easily. Super-unique people like olimar and ROB were rarely seen. In Melee it wasn't so different. People like Marth and Captain Falcon were more popular than Zelda and MGW. I"m sure that in this game, Mac will be used SO much more than, say, Palutena.

Having a cool playstyle and a cool image is more than enough to carry a character, ignoring any moveset potential they might have...

i do not see how it would be such a sin to add Chrom over Robin, especially since Chrom was far more likely to have a bigger following than Robin (especially if Robin turns out to be too defensive). It's nice to have something entirely new, but remember what was said about Little Mac in the Greninja direct:

"As a boxer, his attacks basically consists of punching with both hands, so it's a bit difficult to put a diverse moveset together. That said, i think he's become an exceedingly fresh character"

Focusing on this direction along with expanding the possibilities of what Chrom could bring to Smash is probably the direction we should be going with this movement, as well as gathering support from fans, of course... which is obviously going to be the hardest part, thanks to Lucina hogging an slot for herself, people simply seem to be adverse to a possible 5th Fe rep (damn you sakurai, couldn't have chosen Dark Pit or something?)


so, even then, what we could have Chrom doing


General Playstyle:

The Glass Cannon playstyle is probably the way to go, glass Cannons are popular characters and it's not like we ever got a compensation for Roy getting the boot. the Stone Wall archtype (meaning Chrom wouldn't be that fast or that strong, his strength would lie in being resilient able to take punish and still come back to land more hits till a killing blow is viable at high %s) s also an idea, but i don't think the style really fits Chrom. If Chrom is, perchance, paired with Lissa (who has access to staves like Heal, Rescue and Ward), this moveset is definitely possible. Both could be done together, even.

In other to controlate his range with the Falchion, and not make him too dominant (and counter-intuitive with powerful defensive options), i think Chrom ought to focus more on slashes than swings (think Ike's F-tilt over his F-smash)


Attributes:


Having a Chrom that's slightly faster and stronger than Lucina, in compensation of having a fast falling speed and a bit of weight (around Wolf's level of both) could work for his Glass Cannon standard. He is bulkier than both Marth and Lucina, so it stands to reason he'd be able to move around faster and deal more damage with his blows. His recovery should be okay-ish. not Melee!Roy/Falco bad, but slightly less than Mario seems feasible if he is a glass cannon; but if he is a stone wall, he has to have a good recovery.


What Chrom could do in-battle:

Chrom could use the Falchion's ability to heal in a similar way to what that 'special flag' item seems to work like, except obviously faster.

Chrom could use other kinds of swords in battle. Luckily for him, Swords are the most variable pysical weapons in FE, and between Katanas, Twigs, Magic Swords, Broadswords and Rapiers, there is plenty that he could use. These coulçd be made into items he could use via a special, or he could bring a few during some of his normals.

Chrom could also use Lances and Axes, in similar ways to the above, except rarer since neither weapon is his focus (excpetions made for Custom moves). Both could be uses as their 1-2 ranged versions for a projectile

Chrom could use Bows to attack foes. His bow could be the "Wolf's Blaster" of the Bows, being more powerful in exchange for having to re-draw the bow every time. Like Shiek's Needles and PK Fire, these could be automatically aimed at a diagonal if used in the air, as per one of the Archer's moves in awakening (which is based on RD"s skill Deadeye, by the way)

Chrom could use skills avaialble to him normally such as Luna, Aegis, Aether, Agressor and Charm. He could also happen to use skills he doesn't normally get, such as Astra, Vantage, Lethality, Sol, Pavise, Rally skills (in particular Strength, Speed or Defense)

Chrom could have pair-up implemented as a special move, such as having Sumia give him a lift as an up-special, or Frederick rush to his defense with a Dual Guard as a down special.

Chrom could have a permanent pair-up partner in the form of Lissa, who could assist him by healing him, Warding him to reduce damage taken, or Rescuing him from danger; not to mention the possibility of bringing an offensive support via Magic or even the return of Status staves such as Berserk.

Chrom could bring the Shield of Seals to battle, allowing him to use a Shield bash, and possibly using the magical effects of the sacred gemstones, such as a ground energy wave from the Vert/Geosphere or a Berserker mode which ups damage deal and taken drastically with Sable/Darkstone

Assuming Mega Evolutions aren't final Smashes, Chrom could use a Great Seal to promote to Great Lord and considerably boost his powers. If they are Final Smashes, well... i don't see why not!

I think, that this is more than enough for anyone to create a diverse and unique moveset or spice up a basic and sweet moveset. Whatever path sakurai chooses if he decides to do it is fine with me, even we have to swallow a complete clone of ike or an alt. well, at least a fast ike would be pretty swell, if Project m is any indication...

 

[IronFish]

Honestly, i don't see why sakurai is blinded so much by moveset.

Ike was one of the most popular newcomers in brawl and he wasn't unique: being able to be resumed as "link with no projectiles" easily. Super-unique people like olimar and ROB were rarely seen. In Melee it wasn't so different. People like Marth and Captain Falcon were more popular than Zelda and MGW. I"m sure that in this game, Mac will be used SO much more than, say, Palutena.

Having a cool playstyle and a cool image is more than enough to carry a character, ignoring any moveset potential they might have...

i do not see how it would be such a sin to add Chrom over Robin, especially since Chrom was far more likely to have a bigger following than Robin (especially if Robin turns out to be too defensive). It's nice to have something entirely new, but remember what was said about Little Mac in the Greninja direct:

"As a boxer, his attacks basically consists of punching with both hands, so it's a bit difficult to put a diverse moveset together. That said, i think he's become an exceedingly fresh character"

Focusing on this direction along with expanding the possibilities of what Chrom could bring to Smash is probably the direction we should be going with this movement, as well as gathering support from fans, of course... which is obviously going to be the hardest part, thanks to Lucina hogging an slot for herself, people simply seem to be adverse to a possible 5th Fe rep (damn you sakurai, couldn't have chosen Dark Pit or something?)

so, even then, what we could have Chrom doing

General Playstyle:

The Glass Cannon playstyle is probably the way to go, glass Cannons are popular characters and it's not like we ever got a compensation for Roy getting the boot. the Stone Wall archtype (meaning Chrom wouldn't be that fast or that strong, his strength would lie in being resilient able to take punish and still come back to land more hits till a killing blow is viable at high %s) s also an idea, but i don't think the style really fits Chrom. If Chrom is, perchance, paired with Lissa (who has access to staves like Heal, Rescue and Ward), this moveset is definitely possible. Both could be done together, even.

In other to controlate his range with the Falchion, and not make him too dominant (and counter-intuitive with powerful defensive options), i think Chrom ought to focus more on slashes than swings (think Ike's F-tilt over his F-smash)

Attributes:

Having a Chrom that's slightly faster and stronger than Lucina, in compensation of having a fast falling speed and a bit of weight (around Wolf's level of both) could work for his Glass Cannon standard. He is bulkier than both Marth and Lucina, so it stands to reason he'd be able to move around faster and deal more damage with his blows. His recovery should be okay-ish. not Melee!Roy/Falco bad, but slightly less than Mario seems feasible if he is a glass cannon; but if he is a stone wall, he has to have a good recovery.


What Chrom could do in-battle:

Chrom could use the Falchion's ability to heal in a similar way to what that 'special flag' item seems to work like, except obviously faster.

Chrom could use other kinds of swords in battle. Luckily for him, Swords are the most variable pysical weapons in FE, and between Katanas, Twigs, Magic Swords, Broadswords and Rapiers, there is plenty that he could use. These coulçd be made into items he could use via a special, or he could bring a few during some of his normals.

Chrom could also use Lances and Axes, in similar ways to the above, except rarer since neither weapon is his focus (excpetions made for Custom moves). Both could be uses as their 1-2 ranged versions for a projectile

Chrom could use Bows to attack foes. His bow could be the "Wolf's Blaster" of the Bows, being more powerful in exchange for having to re-draw the bow every time. Like Shiek's Needles and PK Fire, these could be automatically aimed at a diagonal if used in the air, as per one of the Archer's moves in awakening (which is based on RD"s skill Deadeye, by the way)

Chrom could use skills avaialble to him normally such as Luna, Aegis, Aether, Agressor and Charm. He could also happen to use skills he doesn't normally get, such as Astra, Vantage, Lethality, Sol, Pavise, Rally skills (in particular Strength, Speed or Defense)

Chrom could have pair-up implemented as a special move, such as having Sumia give him a lift as an up-special, or Frederick rush to his defense with a Dual Guard as a down special.

Chrom could have a permanent pair-up partner in the form of Lissa, who could assist him by healing him, Warding him to reduce damage taken, or Rescuing him from danger; not to mention the possibility of bringing an offensive support via Magic or even the return of Status staves such as Berserk.

Chrom could bring the Shield of Seals to battle, allowing him to use a Shield bash, and possibly using the magical effects of the sacred gemstones, such as a ground energy wave from the Vert/Geosphere or a Berserker mode which ups damage deal and taken drastically with Sable/Darkstone

Assuming Mega Evolutions aren't final Smashes, Chrom could use a Great Seal to promote to Great Lord and considerably boost his powers. If they are Final Smashes, well... i don't see why not!

I think, that this is more than enough for anyone to create a diverse and unique moveset or spice up a basic and sweet moveset. Whatever path sakurai chooses if he decides to do it is fine with me, even we have to swallow a complete clone of ike or an alt. well, at least a fast ike would be pretty swell, if Project m is any indication...

So you are saying Sakurai should of gone with Chrom instead of Robin? Sakurai went with the more interesting character for smash, and if he was to be given the choice again with all the moveset idea you pulled out of your butt came up, presented to him, he would still pick Robin because he would still bring more new to the table. Sakurai made the right choice, not the wrong one as you believe.

 

[guedes the brawler]

So you are saying Sakurai should of gone with Chrom instead of Robin? Sakurai went with the more interesting character for smash, and if he was to be given the choice again with all the moveset idea you pulled out of your butt came up, presented to him, he would still pick Robin because he would still bring more new to the table. Sakurai made the right choice, not the wrong one as you believe.

As far as moveset goes, it wasn't wrong to choose Robin, it's not what i said. I just said that Chrom could work even if he wasn't unique, seeing as people like Ike were more popular than the likes of Olimar and ROB in Brawl.

and you can say what you want about the moves, it's all stuff that Chrom could feasibly bring to the table; and again, it's not like Sakurai hasn't done far worse with Rosalina, Wario and the mother boys.

 

[IronFish]

As far as moveset goes, it wasn't wrong to choose Robin, it's not what i said. I just said that Chrom could work even if he wasn't unique, seeing as people like Ike were more popular than the likes of Olimar and ROB in Brawl.

and you can say what you want about the moves, it's all stuff that Chrom could feasibly bring to the table; and again, it's not like Sakurai hasn't done far worse with Rosalina, Wario and the mother boys.

Sure Chrom could be unique, be he just didn't appeal to Sakurai at all, as he just wasn't visually unique, and in-game he didn't even have a unique skill, so he went with FE13's other protagonist Robin for the game.

 

[Deviddo]

IronFish, all we know is that he went with Avatar/Robin simply because "...compared with other characters, he lacks any unique characteristics."

Guedes has a good point though, I don't play as characters in Smash based on who I'm good with, I main characters I like based on their respective games and personalities -- that probably makes me a casual though.

 

[Frostwraith]

Apparently, creativity is bad and the Fire Emblem roster needs to solely possess characters with the same character archetype.

We could've had:
Marth, Ike, Chrom and Lucina
or
Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina

Which of the two is going to appeal more? Chrom may have his quirks and could work with a unique moveset, but with the likes of Marth and Ike on the game already, he wouldn't stand out among similar characters.

With tomes added to swordplay, Robin allows for more creative freedom than Chrom. It's like painting with only black and white ink (thus limited to shades of gray) or having a palette full of different colors (thus having a world of colors. Which of those choices allows for more creative freedom?

and you can say what you want about the moves, it's all stuff that Chrom could feasibly bring to the table; and again, it's not like Sakurai hasn't done far worse with Rosalina, Wario and the mother boys.

All stuff Robin can do as well, with Robin having more options Chrom can't do.

And what has Sakurai done so wrong with Rosalina? Her moveset is very creative and interesting. And actually makes sense, even from a canon standpoint, given she's named "Rosalina & Luma", emphasizing partnership or teamwork. Rosalina and the Lumas are close, thus would fight side-by-side.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Sure Chrom could be unique, be he just didn't appeal to Sakurai at all, as he just wasn't visually unique, and in-game he didn't even have a unique skill, so he went with FE13's other protagonist Robin for the game.

but the thing is, we don't fully know sakurai's reasoning and bias.

he might have added Robin even if he could think of a moveset for Chrom that makes Robin cry in shame, he might have passed on Chrom because the moveset he thought of for him was very barely beaten by the moveset he made for Robin... and we could've anything in-between that.

it's even possible Is itself was against Chorm from the get go and sakurai was forced to think about Robin without ever considering Chrom. We simply don't know.

i don't get the jab at skills. NOBODY who is playable in FEA has a unique skill, Chrom is amongst the few who has more exclusivity than others One of Aether or Rightful King will end up being only his and Lucina's, since her sibling won't inherit Lord. assuming she has a sibling.)

Apparently, creativity is bad and the Fire Emblem roster needs to solely possess characters with the same character archetype.

We could've had:
Marth, Ike, Chrom and Lucina
or
Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina

Which of the two is going to appeal more? Chrom may have his quirks and could work with a unique moveset, but with the likes of Marth and Ike on the game already, he wouldn't stand out among similar characters.

With tomes added to swordplay, Robin allows for more creative freedom than Chrom. It's like painting with only black and white ink (thus limited to shades of gray) or having a palette full of different colors (thus having a world of colors. Which of those choices allows for more creative freedom?


All stuff Robin can do as well, with Robin having more options Chrom can't do.

And what has Sakurai done so wrong with Rosalina? Her moveset is very creative and interesting. And actually makes sense, even from a canon standpoint, given she's named "Rosalina & Luma", emphasizing partnership or teamwork. Rosalina and the Lumas are close, thus would fight side-by-side.

but the thing is, again, Chrom has a lot of stuff available to him that, if sakurai wished, could make him stand out from ike and marth visually and gameplay-wise.

i repeat: moveset potential isn't everything; FUN potential and playstyle are also viable ways of thinking as seen with Little Mac. People are too hung up on uniqueness to forget the simple fact that Chrom would be a fun and popular character just like all other sword users if Sakurai didn't go too overboard with gimmicks (whereas Robin has potential to backfire due to being a little more complicated than usual, but he doesn't seem complicated enough to end up as another olimar or MGW).

That, and having the deuteragonist instead of the protagonist is a tragedy.

And you are right, most of the stuff i listed could be done by Robin. But Sakurai's Robin doesn't have anything like what i mentioned (besides the multiple swords thing, but even if you read my previous pos ton the sword mechanic, you will see that it's different enough), so why even bother mentioning this point? it's asinine. it's free stuff Chrom is able to do.

about Rosalina, it's simple. Her image on the galaxy games is of a caring mother to the lumas. In smahs, she is forcing them to fight for her and take hits for her, and seeing as how her movements make the luma move, some mind control seems to be going around as well... trampled on her character for the sake of a unique gimmick. sure, it's interesting and all... but i also still think it has too much potential to be another "Nana" and ruin the metagame with ridiculous locks and combos like what happened back with Brawl.

 

[Deviddo]

Apparently, creativity is bad and the Fire Emblem roster needs to solely possess characters with the same character archetype.

We could've had:
Marth, Ike, Chrom and Lucina
or
Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina

Wait, who said Chrom should've been in instead of Robin?

Also, no offense, but it's not as if Lucina brings anything new to the table.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Wait, who said Chrom should've been in instead of Robin?

me.

 

[Oblivion129]

Chill guys, a lot of cool characters don't make it into smash and that doesn't mean they're bad. It's not really Chrom's fault that he didn't make it in, since it's not his fault that Marth and Ike are already in Smash. Robin became more interesting because of his contrasts.
There are actually some people that think Shulk and Isaac are too similar to Robin. I think it makes no sense to base yourself on hair color + sword to determine playstyle.

 

[IronFish]

me.

Guedes, come off it, we know you hate Robin and think Chrom is the **** but that's not going to change that he is not going to be in smash.

 

[guedes the brawler]

i don't hate Robin, i just hate the fact that he is in smash.

 

[IronFish]

i don't hate Robin, i just hate the fact that he is in smash.

Well enjoy being the only who hates getting a visual wise, and gameplay wise, all around flat out new and interesting newcomer, and so far most people's favorite. Yah big puts.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Well enjoy being the only who hates getting a visual wise, and gameplay wise, all around flat out new and interesting newcomer, and so far most people's favorite. Yah big puts.

i enjoy Robin.

i just would rather have something else. i don't believe robin will be as fun as Chrom would be.

 

[BluePikmin11]

With the new leak in mind, it's looking like Chrom being DLC is getting less likely.

 

[SmashBro99]

Chrom is a cool character but yeah with Marth and Ike already in he would be dull. Unless they added other weapons from other classes he can be, but they wouldn't have done that, and its easier to just add Robin, who is awesome and has sword/magic in his default class, and can be either gender.

 

[IronFish]

With the new leak in mind, it's looking like Chrom being DLC is getting less likely.

Can't really get less than 0, even then the leak its super fake.

 

[Deviddo]

Implying that leak is real, and Chrom CAN be DLC, and he also can NOT be DLC.

IronFish stop being so hateful towards Chrom.
Guedes stop being so hateful towards Robin.

 

[guedes the brawler]

i said and repeat: i have nothing against robin; i just hate his inclusion.

 

[IronFish]

i said and repeat: i have nothing against robin; i just hate his inclusion.

And you are the only one who hates having him in the game.

 

[guedes the brawler]

And you are the only one who hates having him in the game.

so what?

 

[Minato Arisato]

Before this escalates even further, I have this to say: To each his own.

Fair enough?

 

[Booster]

Apparently, creativity is bad and the Fire Emblem roster needs to solely possess characters with the same character archetype.

We could've had:
Marth, Ike, Chrom and Lucina
or
Marth, Ike, Robin and Lucina

Which of the two is going to appeal more? Chrom may have his quirks and could work with a unique moveset, but with the likes of Marth and Ike on the game already, he wouldn't stand out among similar characters.

With tomes added to swordplay, Robin allows for more creative freedom than Chrom. It's like painting with only black and white ink (thus limited to shades of gray) or having a palette full of different colors (thus having a world of colors. Which of those choices allows for more creative freedom?


All stuff Robin can do as well, with Robin having more options Chrom can't do.

And what has Sakurai done so wrong with Rosalina? Her moveset is very creative and interesting. And actually makes sense, even from a canon standpoint, given she's named "Rosalina & Luma", emphasizing partnership or teamwork. Rosalina and the Lumas are close, thus would fight side-by-side.

I would prefer Marth, Ike, Chrom and Robin instead. People get Chrom, people get the creative moveset of Robin, everybody wins

 

[IronFish]

I would prefer Marth, Ike, Chrom and Robin instead. People get Chrom, people get the creative moveset of Robin, everybody wins

What about Lucina supporters?

 

[Skyblade12]

What about Lucina supporters?

Who also massively outnumber the Chrom supporters, especially in Japan.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Who also massively outnumber the Chrom supporters, especially in Japan.

[citation needed]

IDK about Japan, but the only objective measure I've seen of Smash popularity I've seen is Shortie's poll, which had Chrom as the most popular of the three.

 

[Skyblade12]

[citation needed]

IDK about Japan, but the only objective measure I've seen of Smash popularity I've seen is Shortie's poll, which had Chrom as the most popular of the three.

There were several polls done of the fan's rating of characters over in Japan. They were used in making the Scramble Pack DLC. I can't find the poll results anymore (they apparently fell off of Serenes Forest), but there are some pretty telling results.

In general, among the Fire Emblem fanbase, Lucina has definitely been more popular than Chrom. Again, especially in Japan. I don't have numbers for this, but you just need to check out the fan sites to see it.

 

[guedes the brawler]

There were several polls done of the fan's rating of characters over in Japan. They were used in making the Scramble Pack DLC. I can't find the poll results anymore (they apparently fell off of Serenes Forest), but there are some pretty telling results.

In general, among the Fire Emblem fanbase, Lucina has definitely been more popular than Chrom. Again, especially in Japan. I don't have numbers for this, but you just need to check out the fan sites to see it.

weren't the kids and 1st gen separate?

anyways, from what i remember Lucina beats Chrom on the polls indeed. They both beat every other character, too. and Popularity isn't everything.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

There were several polls done of the fan's rating of characters over in Japan. They were used in making the Scramble Pack DLC. I can't find the poll results anymore (they apparently fell off of Serenes Forest), but there are some pretty telling results.

I've seen the poll. From what I recall, male and female characters were polled separately.

In general, among the Fire Emblem fanbase, Lucina has definitely been more popular than Chrom. Again, especially in Japan. I don't have numbers for this, but you just need to check out the fan sites to see it.

I frequent SF (probably more than here at this point), so i'm aware that Chrom wasn't really the most popular character for smash over there. Then again, Awakening isn't the most popular game over there anyway since it's mainly comprised of older FE fans.

Shortie's poll, FYI, wasn't just from Smashboards. It's been passed around multiple sites, including here, SF, Gamefaqs, NeoGAF(IIRC), Neoseeker, and even 4chan. It's probably the best overall objective measure of Smash fandom popularity, and Chrom was regularly the top most wanted FE newcomer (he competed with Roy for most wanted character overall). I don't really see how you can say that Lucina was 'overwhelmingly' the most popular when most of the evidence points to Chrom being the more popular/requested of the two.

weren't the kids and 1st gen separate?

anyways, from what i remember Lucina beats Chrom on the polls indeed. They both beat every other character, too. and Popularity isn't everything.

Wait, haven't you been arguing that Chrom should have been picked over Robin regardless of moveset potential because he was more popular?

 

[IronFish]

weren't the kids and 1st gen separate?

anyways, from what i remember Lucina beats Chrom on the polls indeed. They both beat every other character, too. and Popularity isn't everything.

That's exactly why Chrom was never a lock.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Wait, haven't you been arguing that Chrom should have been picked over Robin regardless of moveset potential because he was more popular?

no, i was arguing for him because he is the protagonist of awakening. That, and even though Chrom might not be as unique as Sakurai's robin, i think he'd be more fun to play to the general public, including myself. and i was clinging to hope that some of roy's (my Melee main) playstyle could carry over to Chrom...

imo, it's like having Luigi in smash but no Mario.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

no, i was arguing for him because he is the protagonist of awakening.

Chrom and Robin are both Awakening's protagonist. It's not quite like FE10 (which features an enseble cast rather than having a single easily identifiable lead protagonist), but from what I played of Awakening Chrom and Robin have about equal importance to the plot. Expecially in the later chapters.

That, and even though Chrom might not be as unique as Sakurai's robin, i think he'd be more fun to play to the general public, including myself.

Personal preference. while I don't buy into the "too many swords" crap, I'd take a mage from Fire Emblem from another swordsman (something we already have two of) any day.

imo, it's like having Luigi in smash but no Mario.

Except the Mario of Fire Emblem (Marth) is already in Smash.

 

[IronFish]

no, i was arguing for him because he is the protagonist of awakening. That, and even though Chrom might not be as unique as Sakurai's robin, i think he'd be more fun to play to the general public, including myself. and i was clinging to hope that some of roy's (my Melee main) playstyle could carry over to Chrom...

imo, it's like having Luigi in smash but no Mario.

I know im beating a dead horse, but it's more like having Rosalina without Daisy, because CHROM ISN'T THE PROTAGONIST OF AWAKENING, and how the hells can Chrom ever be more fun to play than Robin? Who represents more parts of awakening than Chrom could ever hope to be, every way Chrom could be unique, Robin has 10. On most polls Robin is most peoples favorite newcomer.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Chrom and Robin are both Awakening's protagonist. It's not quite like FE10 (which features an enseble cast rather than having a single easily identifiable lead protagonist), but from what I played of Awakening Chrom and Robin have about equal importance to the plot. Expecially in the later chapters.

Personal preference. while I don't buy into the "too many swords" crap, I'd take a mage from Fire Emblem from another swordsman (something we already have two of) any day.

Except the Mario of Fire Emblem (Marth) is already in Smash.

1- Protagonist is a singular term. robin is the deuteragonist: he becomes basically as relevant as the likes of Flavia and Basilion through most of the Gangrel and Valm arcs, in other words, a side character. If there is not a POV change to justify it, your protagonist NEVER becomes a side character during extended periods of time. Sure, Robin gets relevance... by chapter 20.

2-, yes, personal preference. Realistically the bad thing about swordsmen lies in their normals, Specials can be spiced up, so ultimately it's not changing anything big besides aesthetics. I never saw the problem with this, either: most newcomers are fighting with their limbs and we have plenty of people like that... and as long as they are not clones of the Lucina/Melee!Falco variety of lameness, i don't get why anyone would complain about variety. Ike himself didn't bring anythign new ot the table, sinc ehe was absically Link with no projectiles.

3- fire Emblem awakening, not the series in general.

 

[Morbi]

I know im beating a dead horse, but it's more like having Rosalina without Daisy, because CHROM ISN'T THE PROTAGONIST OF AWAKENING, and how the hells can Chrom ever be more fun to play than Robin? Who represents more parts of awakening than Chrom could ever hope to be, every way Chrom could be unique, Robin has 10. On most polls Robin is most peoples favorite newcomer.

"Fun" is subjective. For instance, I have more fun playing a bland character such as Donkey Kong over a character with a lot of different attributes like Game and Watch. However, it is impossible to determine whether or not I would have had more fun with Chrom as I am not sure what that would entail. Robin offers more, but Chrom could have been just as, if not more, fun.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I know im beating a dead horse, but it's more like having Mario without Luigi, because CHROM ISN'T THE PROTAGONIST OF AWAKENING, and how the hells can Chrom ever be more fun to play than Robin? Who represents more parts of awakening than Chrom could ever hope to be, every way Chrom could be unique, Robin has 10. On most polls Robin is most peoples favorite newcomer.

Yeah, because the guy who does basically nothing for over 15 chapters is the protagonist, i'd wager. I said i "think" Chrom would be more fun, on the grounds that Chrom would probably be more offensive than Robin. People generally don't like Defensive characters much, preferring to go with speed or strength because those playstyles are more satisfactory (see how underused people like Olimar, Ivysaur, Zelda and such are... meanwhile the likes of fox and Pikachu were always popualr due to beinf fast and powerful, which is why i think Mac will be the favorite newcomer this time.)

Robin represents what:

Magic
Dark Magic
Weapon Switching (as Upgrades. Weapon switching as Sidegrades isn't used as of now.)

You are right that Robin is more unique than Chrom, problem is, that's our Robin. Sakurai's Robin isn't so hot (which as a Chrom support makes me have mixed feelings about what Chrom could've been if handled by Sakurai)

On the grounds that Chrom could use the Falchion and the Fire Emblem alone, he brings more important elements of Awakening than Robin did, meaning better and more important representation of awakening itself; even if he is less fresh on the smash bros perspective, which as seen by Mac, can be overcome easily if Sakurai put his mind to work. If Chorm had skills then, holy crap.



and by the way, Robin is, indeed, the most popular newcomer right now.

because he was our last reveal. If you think a character from fire Emblem will end up being more popular than rosalina, you are delusional.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

1- Protagonist is a singular term. robin is the deuteragonist: he becomes basically as relevant as the likes of Flavia and Basilion through most of the Gangrel and Valm arcs, in other words, a side character. If there is not a POV change to justify it, your protagonist NEVER becomes a side character during extended periods of time. Sure, Robin gets relevance... by chapter 20.

I haven't played Awakening in a while, and since SF is experiencing issues I can't access their script dump ATM. though from what I recall, neither Robin nor Chrom had much importance during the Valm filler arc. But hey, maybe I'm recalling wrong.

3- fire Emblem awakening, not the series in general.

The comparison still falls completely flat. Even if Chrom is more important than Robin in Awakening, he's no Mario. Mario is the lead of his ENTIRE SERIES. Chrom is the lead in one game which happens to be the most recent.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I haven't played Awakening in a while, and since SF is experiencing issues I can't access their script dump ATM. though from what I recall, neither Robin nor Chrom had much importance during the Valm filler arc. But hey, maybe I'm recalling wrong.

The comparison still falls completely flat. Even if Chrom is more important than Robin in Awakening, he's no Mario. Mario is the lead of his ENTIRE SERIES. Chrom is the lead in one game which happens to be the most recent.

Nobody was much relevant during Valm, but Chrom at least maintained a presence throughout the entire arc; and his passive role is more notable than Robin's.

The comparison holds

Mario is the protagonist of his series. Chrom is the protagonist of his game
Luigi is the deuteragonist of Mario's games. Robin is the deuteragonist of Chrom's game

the scope is different but that was intentional for you to see what i was referring to. But if you insist; it's like having Ryen instead of Shulk.