Anti- Sheik Help

[RobertSunx]

Yeah, I'm a pretty okay =P Captain Falcon, I SHFFL a lot, but I hate playing against my friend who plays as sheik. He knows nothing about the advanced tactics of SSBM yet he still kicks my arse a lot of times
Are there any tips on how to play against this kid?
His favorite combos are either -
-Continuous Dash- A (Lawlz)
- ftilt, fair
-utilt, fair
- Continuous Drill Kick (Lawls)
Thanks for anyhelp.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

you dont sound like an experienced falcon then

mindgame and bait. grab combo knee rinse repeat.

 

[Lid]

lots of stomps work great against sheik if you can catch her when she isnt crouch canceld.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

what are you talking about? you cant run up to someone and dair them. ANY non computer will attack you before you dair comes out. dair is only used in tech chasing, its not a combo starter. if you really want to beat sheik, lure her into the air. she cant SHFFL.

 

[PIMPSLAP]

i play sheiks alot at my tournys and just dash dance a a liitle"start mindgame" then look for opratunitys to grab because shieks love to shield grab and spam d air at in my area the my opinon and also try to fight her on fountain of dreams get her on a plat form and stomp on her be patiant and tech chase because she can't roll far...

 

[abit_rusty]

Sheiks like to spam tilts too. Just play cautious, especially when trying any shield grabs. Usually tilts follow aerials to stop your shield grabs. Play smart, but when you get an opening unleash **** like its your last and only chance to. I usually play this match baiting sheik into an attack or an approach and punishing mistakes. Dair does work well in this match up if you use it right. You should always take the easy kills, like up throw to knee at 65-70%. Don't let her live too long, she's a total ***** to kill at high %'s.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Dont listen to pimpslap he has no idea what hes talking about.

sheik's best stage is FoD. Its a fact. its also falcon's worst. FoD = all platforms. that means that sheik can now shffl. it also means that she can spam her needles from platforms easier. if you really want to hurt sheik ban FoD and take her to FD.

and as i said before, DONT STOMP TO START COMBOS. nobody will get hit by them unless they are in the lag of a move. once you lure sheik in the air you want to get her with uairs to juggle and finish with a knee. or even just getting her off works, edgehog and ledgehop knee her all day.

 

[PIMPSLAP]

LOLZ YOU LIMIT YOURSELF TO SMASH BOARDS JUST BECAUSE SOME ONE SAYS IT'S A BAD DOES NOT MEAN IT'S BAD. You just limit your potential thise way i guess thats what seperates me from you.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

lol pimp, im not limiting myself, i am choosing not to make ****ty decisions so i can actually win matches. i guess thats what seperates me from you. if you run at someone with a dair (which has a lot of start up and very low range) they will hit you long before you hit them. you will then die if it is anyone good.

 

[PIMPSLAP]

i will agree that d air is not the best starter but it's a starter falcon players are suppose to free from doing the same moves over and over(drill shine) exe. thats all i was saying and i play caveman from time to time and far pretty good against his sheik and he ***** me with his fox so i do play good people your in titled to your opinion and playing style and i mine so i just giving advice from my point of view lets not turn these into a flame war. on a side note i like FoD because it's small and that limits my opponent's time to run/recover/and even think if played right.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

dude, you dont understand what falcon is about. maybe if you did you would actually do good against good players.

let me spell it out:

falcon has no priority which means if you jump into a fight the opponents moves will beat your moves and you will get hit and die.

falcon has the best dash dance in the game. this means you can trick your opponent via spacing games and forcing them to miss their attacks so you can get yours.

falcon has great options from his grab and nair. both of which should be your main approach and combo starters. actually i will say that falcon shouldnt be the aggressor, so he shouldnt approach at all. falcon's approach has no priority. but the grab is a good move that can punish mistakes faster than anything else falcon has. nair is good defensively, if your opponent comes you can throw out a nair and hopefully trade hits or if you did it right start up a combo and win.

falcon's nair has a ton of forward range. basically what i was just talking about, you can throw it out to hit people from farther away so they dont **** you.

if you want to put pressure like that and jump into the fray a ton, play fox, not falcon. falcon needs space.

 

[Dark_Crono]

Nair out of shield its really good against sheik cause most of the time shes going to make you try to shildgrab her against her Ftilts.

 

[D.B]

Everyones said everything pretty much but I just wanted to say to sveet

stages aren't necessarily bad for you cause that's what some guide says. My favorite stage is actually FoD as falcon and people here ban that against me. You can actually time a down air so that you hit them on the platform so whichever way they're teching you down air them a lot then knee and edge guard.

 

[Dark_Crono]

Everyones said everything pretty much but I just wanted to say to sveet

stages aren't necessarily bad for you cause that's what some guide says. My favorite stage is actually FoD as falcon and people here ban that against me. You can actually time a down air so that you hit them on the platform so whichever way they're teching you down air them a lot then knee and edge guard.

you know i think Greg likes that stage too.

 

[D.B]

I think so too, I just find it a good stage, I'd rather that over FD to be honest.

 

[Dark_Crono]

ya but it really depends on the way you play cause i cant play with the 3 platforms in the stage i always try to go turtle at does moments and wait for one to go down , sheik does **** with some sick **** in that stage but you can use it on your advantage, you can practice a lot there and make it an advantage for you i think most sheiks dont practice a lot there cause its supposed to be at their advantage.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

lol personal preference is good, but that stage is sheik's best stage. not to mention she can out prioritize you and stay on your *** without letting you get any spacing to **** you easily. FD she is left with ground needle spamming and fullhop fairs. easy to punish her there.

 

[PIMPSLAP]

Everyones said everything pretty much but I just wanted to say to sveet

stages aren't necessarily bad for you cause that's what some guide says. My favorite stage is actually FoD as falcon and people here ban that against me. You can actually time a down air so that you hit them on the platform so whichever way they're teching you down air them a lot then knee and edge guard.

thank you my friend

 

[D.B]

lol personal preference is good, but that stage is sheik's best stage. not to mention she can out prioritize you and stay on your *** without letting you get any spacing to **** you easily. FD she is left with ground needle spamming and fullhop fairs. easy to punish her there.

May I ask why are you defending againts a sheik and letting her spam?

thank you my friend

No problem...

By the way you can edge hop when shes nearr to get invicibility frames back and if they're smart they'll see that so they'll either go up and you stay on and they die, OR they go on the stage and you punish them with a knee cause of lagg.

 

[-=Snowmanthatknows=-]

I say play as Bowser and trash talk him the whole match.

 

[PIMPSLAP]

whos him...?

 

[TheManaLord]

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[Fortress | Sveet]

DB if you want to play aggressive you will get *****. falcon is not an aggressive character. i thought ive already made that point... sheik out prioritizes everything you have, just like every other character. if you dont space yourself and play smart you WILL lose.

 

[D.B]

I know what you mean but you can't always be patient. I think I may have worded it wrong when I said it, and may have said to continuesly be aggressive. My mistake. But when you do decide to attack you shouldn't pull back soon is what I mean.

e.g Nair > grab > tech chase > etc...
If you get what I mean?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

duh... but how are you getting that nair? if you are just jumping in and nairing you will get owned. thats what im talking about.

 

[D.B]

But you can run in close and do a retreating neutral air. Or neutral air behind them and pivot grab.

(Man I love these falcon discussion)

 

[technomancer]

Your U-air and N-air (first hit) have good priority against shiek and can combo into knee even off of a full jump, but the biggest thing to do is DI like a mother****er and grab alot (see G-reg vs. Plank for grab combos).