Anti-Pichu Thread

[Micahc]

Sakurai said he was removing characters. Pichu is the most hated character in Melee and there is no doubt that he will be removed.

Pichu sucks and I can care less about the goggles.

*Raises hand*

I hate Game and Watch more.

 

[Empy]

I hope he stays, as he is another character, that wouldn't take too much time to program, seeing how he already has a moveset and all. Just give him a full recovery as final smash and well, he'll be ***** 2 times in a row, on 1 stock, that would be great. But seriously, why are we even discussing this? Sakurai has long ready his list of playable characters and I, for one, couldn't care less if Pichu is on it or not.

O btw, I've read pretty much all the posts here and I have to say, Micahc, you have yet to say something intelligent and please, leave Game en Watch, don't even go there... just... don't.

 

[Micahc]

I hope he stays, as he is another character, that wouldn't take too much time to program, seeing how he already has a moveset and all. Just give him a full recovery as final smash and well, he'll be ***** 2 times in a row, on 1 stock, that would be great. But seriously, why are we even discussing this? Sakurai has long ready his list of playable characters and I, for one, couldn't care less if Pichu is on it or not.

O btw, I've read pretty much all the posts here and I have to say, Micahc, you have yet to say something intelligent and please, leave Game en Watch, don't even go there... just... don't.

I've been reading this entire thread and all it seems to me is people hating on Pichu because he's a clone and sucks, I still have yet to find a reason to give him the axe.

 

[Masque]

He's a clone and [he] sucks.

Reason found.

 

[Lord Kirby]

this topic is pointless pichu is already rejected, and theres nothing u can do about it. hes a clone, hes the worst, and hes OUTTA HERE!!!

 

[Darkfur]

Nothings reflects stupidity more than people using words that reflect certainties with no real proof other than speculation and their own opinions.

Pichu MIGHT get the Axe. Mot WILL. The likelyhood of that Might is up for speculation.

A LOT of people hate Pichu. Not EVERYONE does!

And to those who say Pichu sucks only because he's a clone. I roll my eyes at your closed mindedness. I'm not saying he'd suck anyways or not. What I'm saying is clones offer unique playstyles different from their counterparts. Yes, even Pichu.

 

[Micahc]

Reason found.

You do realize S(p)amus and Link sucked in SSB right? Still looking for a reason.

 

[freeman123]

You know, for the longest time before Melee came out they showed all of the SSB64 characters except for Jigglypuff and Luigi. They didn't reveal that those two would be returning until they released the entire character list, and I can remember people saying "Luigi isn't coming back because he's too similar to Mario" and "Jigglypuff isn't coming back because he sucks and not a lot of people liked him".

With that being said, I'd like for someone give me a link to where Sakurai said not all of the characters would be returning, because I still haven't seen that.

And even if he did say it, the creators of Mortal Kombat specifically said "Motaro and Chameleon will not be in MK Armageddon" and both characters ended up in the game because they "changed their minds".

Also, even if they are cutting characters, that doesn't mean Pichu will be one of them. He got in last time, so there must have been a reason for it. They could have just as easily made Raichu the Pikachu clone. For all we know, Pichu could be Sakurai's favorite Pokemon or something.

I'm not even that big of a Pichu fan. I mostly want him back for the same reason I want Sonic in the game. Just so I can make fun of all the people who think he can't be in it.

 

[the grim lizard]

OK...this is why these threads shouldn't exist. Here's the correct way to do it:

1) Create a character support thread
2) Talk about why a character should be in/return
3) Flame the guy who made it for the stupid idea

That's what we did with the Waluigi thread ^.^

With that being said, I'd like for someone give me a link to where Sakurai said not all of the characters would be returning, because I still haven't seen that. Check out Samurai Panda's translation thread. It's pretty clear.

And even if he did say it, the creators of Mortal Kombat specifically said "Motaro and Chameleon will not be in MK Armageddon" and both characters ended up in the game because they "changed their minds". I'd love for that to be the case, but I highly doubt it. Same thing with Samurai Goroh. Some things are just too definite...

Also, even if they are cutting characters, that doesn't mean Pichu will be one of them. He got in last time, so there must have been a reason for it. They could have just as easily made Raichu the Pikachu clone. For all we know, Pichu could be Sakurai's favorite Pokemon or something. I guess Pichu wouldn't be the first one out, but he's at least second or third. Doc is obvious, but most of the other clones are popular/important. Also, I really don't see original movesets leaving. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Mewtwo is Sakurai's favorite, if I recall from reading somewhere else.

 

[NukeA6]

You know, for the longest time before Melee came out they showed all of the SSB64 characters except for Jigglypuff and Luigi. They didn't reveal that those two would be returning until they released the entire character list, and I can remember people saying "Luigi isn't coming back because he's too similar to Mario" and "Jigglypuff isn't coming back because he sucks and not a lot of people liked him".

I never remembered anyone saying that before Melee. I do remember Luigi fans being upset because they thought their character was gonna be a trophy (which was the first pic of him in Melee).

With that being said, I'd like for someone give me a link to where Sakurai said not all of the characters would be returning, because I still haven't seen that.

You still haven't heard of that? That was announced when Smash Bros Revolution was being named Smash Bros Brawl. That was also the same time when the first trailer came out. You can find that in IGN or any gaming site.

And even if he did say it, the creators of Mortal Kombat specifically said "Motaro and Chameleon will not be in MK Armageddon" and both characters ended up in the game because they "changed their minds".

The MK team have been known to be liars. They said there super unlockables in Deception but that was wrong. They also said that all characters in MK: Armageddon would have their own unique fatality ender but that was found to be false.

Has Sakurai lied about what would be in Smash Bros?

Also, even if they are cutting characters, that doesn't mean Pichu will be one of them. He got in last time, so there must have been a reason for it. They could have just as easily made Raichu the Pikachu clone. For all we know, Pichu could be Sakurai's favorite Pokemon or something.

The SMASH team were running out of time and people demanded more characters. Clones are easier to make and decided to make ones out of popular characters.

Pichu will be the one that will most likely get the axe (a bloody battle axe) cuz he's hated more than any character in Melee. How many Anti-Pichu threads do you see compared to any Anti-<insert character here> threads? A hell lot.

I'm not even that big of a Pichu fan. I mostly want him back for the same reason I want Sonic in the game. Just so I can make fun of all the people who think he can't be in it.

I won't even have to worry about that. i already know Pichu ain't coming back.

 

[drewdizzal]

i actually wish pichu does return. who doesn't like beating the shiz out of a small yellow emo rat?

 

[freeman123]

the grim lizard
Check out Samurai Panda's translation thread. It's pretty clear.

How do I know his translations are accurate? Couldn't he have misinterperated it. I don't know how well he knows Japanese.

the grim lizard
I'd love for that to be the case, but I highly doubt it. Same thing with Samurai Goroh. Some things are just too definite...

Pichu isn't anything like Samurai Goroh. No one's come out and officially said Pichu won't be a playable character.

the grim lizard
Doc is obvious

Why is that? They're adding Zamus, and a lot of people think they're going to add WW Link, so why can't they add another version of Mario again?

the grim lizard
Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Mewtwo is Sakurai's favorite, if I recall from reading somewhere else.

Well, unless you have a source, that's just hear-say.

NukeA6
I never remembered anyone saying that before Melee. I do remember Luigi fans being upset because they thought their character was gonna be a trophy (which was the first pic of him in Melee).

Well, I guess I can't prove that anyone said that, but I personally saw a lot of people say that. You yourself admit that you remember people saying they thought Luigi was just going to be a trophy. My point is that a lot of people were jumping to the conclusion that they wouldn't be playable, and a lot of people were wrong.

NukeA6
You still haven't heard of that? That was announced when Smash Bros Revolution was being named Smash Bros Brawl. That was also the same time when the first trailer came out. You can find that in IGN or any gaming site.

Yes, I have heard it, I just haven't seen any proof that Sakurai actually said that. All I've heard are other people saying he said it. Can you provide me a link to where he actually says that?

NukeA6
The MK team have been known to be liars. They said there super unlockables in Deception but that was wrong. They also said that all characters in MK: Armageddon would have their own unique fatality ender but that was found to be false.

Well, I don't know about all of that. What I do know is that Ed Boon said that Motaro and Chameleon would not be returning in an interview with some web site, and not in an official announcement. If I'm not mistaken, Samurai Panda's translation of what Sakurai said was an email response to somebody, and wasn't an official announcement. So, even if he said that, he could have changed his mind between now and then.

NukeA6
Has Sakurai lied about what would be in Smash Bros?

Not that I know of, but I never said that he did. I said that I'm not sure that he even said that not all of the characters would be returning, and that even if he did he could change his mind like Ed Boon did with MKA.

NukeA6
The SMASH team were running out of time and people demanded more characters. Clones are easier to make and decided to make ones out of popular characters.

Why Pichu then? According to you guys, no one likes him or wants him in that game. Raichu could have been a Pikachu clone.

NukeA6
Pichu will be the one that will most likely get the axe (a bloody battle axe) cuz he's hated more than any character in Melee. How many Anti-Pichu threads do you see compared to any Anti-<insert character here> threads? A hell lot.

Maybe the people who hate other characters just don't have as much time on their hands.

Any character who has already been in a SSB game before has to have a better chance of getting in Brawl then a third party character, right? A lot of people think Sonic's chances are very good, so Pichu's chances must be even better than that.

 

[the grim lizard]

How do I know his translations are accurate? Couldn't he have misinterperated it. I don't know how well he knows Japanese.

He knows Japanese. And he translated Sakurai's ENTIRE statement because people didn't think it was true (on another board). But Sakurai says it so clearly, there's no doubt that every character won't be returning.

Pichu isn't anything like Samurai Goroh. No one's come out and officially said Pichu won't be a playable character.

I meant that in reference to all characters returning, not necessarily Pichu. Sakurai was as definite about some characters won't be returning as he was about those characters won't be playable.

Why is that? They're adding Zamus, and a lot of people think they're going to add WW Link, so why can't they add another version of Mario again?

I personally like Doc better. He was one of my mains, but he really is no different from mario other than pills and electricity instead of fire. Also, Zamus IS Samus. They are, in fact, the same character. Literally. Also, if WW Link does get in, it should be noted that that Link is not the same Link as OoT or TP. They are completely different characters, as in not the same person. You can easily find "official" info on that to confirm.

Well, unless you have a source, that's just hear-say.

It's not hearsay, I just don't remember the exact place I read it at the moment. I COULD find it if I tried, but I don't care that much. But I can GUARANTEE it isn't Pichu.

 

[Micahc]

He knows Japanese. And he translated Sakurai's ENTIRE statement because people didn't think it was true (on another board). But Sakurai says it so clearly, there's no doubt that every character won't be returning.
Um, you do realize Samurai could easily have lies about all that and called it accurate?
I meant that in reference to all characters returning, not necessarily Pichu. Sakurai was as definite about some characters won't be returning as he was about those characters won't be playable.
What characters has he confirmed to be gone? IIRC he said clones will be gone, which could mean a Luigi-ized Pichu, Falco, and Ganon.

I personally like Doc better. He was one of my mains, but he really is no different from mario other than pills and electricity instead of fire. Also, Zamus IS Samus. They are, in fact, the same character. Literally. Also, if WW Link does get in, it should be noted that that Link is not the same Link as OoT or TP. They are completely different characters, as in not the same person. You can easily find "official" info on that to confirm.
I have no I dea what to say to this, becuase I have no idea what the original post was supposed to mean.

It's not hearsay, I just don't remember the exact place I read it at the moment. I COULD find it if I tried, but I don't care that much. But I can GUARANTEE it isn't Pichu.

GAAAA!!!! Ten

 

[Masque]

Um, you do realize Samurai could easily have lies about all that and called it accurate?

O_O

Oy vey.

Why would Sakurai lie about his own game, or at least in this instance? He would have no reason to do so. Sakurai said that not all characters would be returning. Clones are the likeliest of targets. Pichu is (fairly) unpopular and (generally) the character that many Smashers want to leave most. Regardless of our speculation, Sakurai said that not all characters would be returning, and he has no reason to fib about it.

 

[Darkfur]

O_O

Oy vey.

Why would Sakurai lie about his own game, or at least in this instance? He would have no reason to do so. Sakurai said that not all characters would be returning. Clones are the likeliest of targets. Pichu is (fairly) unpopular and (generally) the character that many Smashers want to leave most. Regardless of our speculation, Sakurai said that not all characters would be returning, and he has no reason to fib about it.

Samurai Panda, not Sakuai.

But the point is moot. Anyone thinkin Samurai Panda isn't translating right should just go read the topic. Or even better, learn to translate themselves so they can see.

 

[Masque]

Samurai Panda, not Sakuai.

But the point is moot. Anyone thinkin Samurai Panda isn't translating right should just go read the topic. Or even better, learn to translate themselves so they can see.

:embarrass Oops! Silly me, unable to read. In any case, neither Sakurai nor Samurai has a reason to lie about the statement or its translation. SP is a respectable member of SWF and would not intentionally throw us for a loop.

 

[SonicMario]

I as the creator of this thread, have just to say i am only against him being playable. It would be fine with me if he came out of the pokeball. (He just better be one of those Pokemon you can punch away like Chansey)

 

[Micahc]

:embarrass Oops! Silly me, unable to read. In any case, neither Sakurai nor Samurai has a reason to lie about the statement or its translation. SP is a respectable member of SWF and would not intentionally throw us for a loop.

I know, and I've read the thread, but I'm just saying it's still possible. Plus it's kinda fun to make random crap up and see if people believe it.

 

[NukeA6]

Well, I guess I can't prove that anyone said that, but I personally saw a lot of people say that. You yourself admit that you remember people saying they thought Luigi was just going to be a trophy. My point is that a lot of people were jumping to the conclusion that they wouldn't be playable, and a lot of people were wrong.

And it was a good surprise when Luigi was revealed. I was already missing him

Yes, I have heard it, I just haven't seen any proof that Sakurai actually said that. All I've heard are other people saying he said it. Can you provide me a link to where he actually says that?

Just about every gaming site and Wikipedia states that. Here's one:
http://www.wiiplus.net/article.php?articleId=17&page=1

Well, I don't know about all of that. What I do know is that Ed Boon said that Motaro and Chameleon would not be returning in an interview with some web site, and not in an official announcement. If I'm not mistaken, Samurai Panda's translation of what Sakurai said was an email response to somebody, and wasn't an official announcement. So, even if he said that, he could have changed his mind between now and then.

I remember Khameleon being confirmed not be in. But Motaro, no. If that was true, GameFAQs would've had tons of threads about that. It never happened. All I saw was "Is Motaro in Armageddon?" countless times.

Not that I know of, but I never said that he did. I said that I'm not sure that he even said that not all of the characters would be returning, and that even if he did he could change his mind like Ed Boon did with MKA.

Check the link I posted. Just about every gaming site on the net had the same article or something similar.

Why Pichu then? According to you guys, no one likes him or wants him in that game. Raichu could have been a Pikachu clone.

Take a look at the bodies of Pichu, Pikachu, and Raichu. Both Pi and Pika got big heads, small arms, and plump bodies. Raichu has a longer body and longer arms plus his head isn't too big. It wouldn't make too much sense giving Raichu headbutts and spins when he can kick and punch just fine. Sure the tail whips will do fine but what about running on all fours? I never seen Raichu do that.

That's why Pichu was chosen. His body proportion is similar to Pika's.

Any character who has already been in a SSB game before has to have a better chance of getting in Brawl then a third party character, right? A lot of people think Sonic's chances are very good, so Pichu's chances must be even better than that.

Wouldn't count on that. There are more people who want Sonic in than Pichu.

 

[ClarkJables]

plus sakurai said that he was cutting some of the melee cast, and seeing how pichu was one of the least liked characters in melee his chances are slim

 

[freeman123]

the grim lizard
He knows Japanese. And he translated Sakurai's ENTIRE statement because people didn't think it was true (on another board). But Sakurai says it so clearly, there's no doubt that every character won't be returning.

I don't know anything about Samurai Panda. I have no way of knowing how well he speaks Japanese, and neither do you. Of all the people who study foreign languages in high school/college, very few of them ever learn to speak them fluently. So if that's where he learned Japanese, odds are he could have made a mistake when translating Sakurai's statements.

Ask anyone who speaks a foreign language and they'll all tell you that when translating something from one language to another, one little mistake could completely change the meaning of the entire statement. For all we know he said "Not all characters will have the same appearance" and Samurai Panda could have misinterperated that as "Not all characters will be returning."

I'm not saying that that's what happened. I don't speak Japanese, so I have no idea. All I'm saying is that Samurai Panda's translations shouldn't be taken as 'Word of God.'

the grim lizard
I meant that in reference to all characters returning, not necessarily Pichu. Sakurai was as definite about some characters won't be returning as he was about those characters won't be playable.

Samurai Panda's translations are not as official as the official updates on the official website. If you think that they are then you're wrong. That's all there is to it.

the grim lizard
Also, if WW Link does get in, it should be noted that that Link is not the same Link as OoT or TP. They are completely different characters, as in not the same person.

Pichu and Pikachu aren't the same person either, so I don't see your point.

It's not hearsay, I just don't remember the exact place I read it at the moment. I COULD find it if I tried, but I don't care that much. But I can GUARANTEE it isn't Pichu.

It is hearsay unless you can prove he said it. I could just as easily say I read somewhere that Pichu is Sakurai's favorite, that doesn't make it true. As a matter of fact, I just read that Metapod is Sakurai's favorite. Metapod for Brawl!

Aeris
Why would Sakurai lie about his own game, or at least in this instance?

He's talking about Samurai Panda from this board, not Sakurai.

Darkfur
Anyone thinkin Samurai Panda isn't translating right should just go read the topic.

I have read it. What does it prove? He could have made a mistake, I don't know how well he knows Japanese.

Aeris
In any case, neither Sakurai nor Samurai has a reason to lie about the statement or its translation.

Samurai doesn't have to be lying, he could just be wrong.

NukeA6
And it was a good surprise when Luigi was revealed. I was already missing him

So maybe it'll be a good surprise when Pichu is revealed.

NukeA6
Just about every gaming site and Wikipedia states that. Here's one:
http://www.wiiplus.net/article.php?articleId=17&page=1

Who cares what Wikipedia says? Show me where it was originaly officially announced. You can't, because it wasn't.

NukeA6
I remember Khameleon being confirmed not be in. But Motaro, no. If that was true, GameFAQs would've had tons of threads about that. It never happened. All I saw was "Is Motaro in Armageddon?" countless times.

Well, he did. The point I was making was that developers can change their minds. Are you saying they can't? I can change my mind, and so can everyone else I know. So unless you're trying to say video game developers are in some way handicapped and unable to change their minds about things like the rest of us, then I don't know what your point is.

NukeA6
Take a look at the bodies of Pichu, Pikachu, and Raichu. Both Pi and Pika got big heads, small arms, and plump bodies. Raichu has a longer body and longer arms plus his head isn't too big. It wouldn't make too much sense giving Raichu headbutts and spins when he can kick and punch just fine. Sure the tail whips will do fine but what about running on all fours? I never seen Raichu do that.

That's why Pichu was chosen. His body proportion is similar to Pika's.

So what? You don't think Raichu could have been made into a Pikachu clone? And even if that's true, it didn't have to be a Pikachu clone. They could have just as easily gave that spot to Mew and made him a Mewtwo clone, or Daisy as a Peach clone, or Birdo as a Yoshi clone, or Bowser Jr. as a Bowser clone, or Wigglytuff as a Jigglypuff clone.... They chose Pichu because that's who they wanted, not because they had no choice. "We're running out of time, we'll have to add clones" doesn't mean the same thing as "We're running out of time, the only character we could possibly add is Pichu."

So this argument that Pichu only made it into Melee because they were running low on time, and not because the creators wanted him in the game, doesn't hold.

NukeA6
Wouldn't count on that. There are more people who want Sonic in than Pichu.

I'll bet there are more people who want Sonic then Ness too, that doesn't make him more likely.

Any character that was in Melee is automatically more likely to be in Brawl then any character that wasn't.

 

[ClarkJables]

yah but the question is, do they still want him in brawl. they added pichu because of his popularity at the time and the convienient fact that they could make him a clone more easily then they could other pokemon. mew couldn't be a clone of mewtwo because 1. they have completely different body types and thus could not perform the same moves, and 2. because he was already a pokeball. now that brawl is coming we look and see the pichu is no longer important to the series and frankly, his fanbase has all but become extinct

 

[NukeA6]

Who cares what Wikipedia says? Show me where it was originaly officially announced. You can't, because it wasn't.
.

The link wasn't even from Wikipedia. If you even looked at it, you will know where I first heard that characters were being removed. IGN has the same article as well.

 

[freeman123]

NukeA6
The link wasn't even from Wikipedia. If you even looked at it, you will know where I first heard that characters were being removed. IGN has the same article as well.

Are you refering to "Whether all characters from Super Smash Bros. Brawl will make a return is not certain. Some characters may be removed and others just tweaked."???

How is that official confirmation that not all characters will return? It specifically says that it's "not certain" if all of the characters will return or not.

 

[Iggy K]

I allready wanted Pichu to return, but now I want him to come back even more out of spite.

 

[h2ownage]

I feel bad for the little masochist.

He sits there in Melee, tryin' his darnedest to zap people like his big bro Pikachu does, 'bout near kills himself doing it every time, and here we are hating on him for it.

*tear*

And he looks SO CUTE IN GOGGLES. It should be illegal to be that adorable.

He's one of them! Get him!

 

[Circus]

He's one of them! Get him!

YOU CANNOT DENY THE GOGGLES.

GOGGLES FOR M455IVE D4MAG3!!!

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Hey... Goggles can look good on a number of people.. I'm not one of them..

But don't hate the goggles but hate the Pichu.. Ok I didn't say that.. I don't want him taking up space but I don't hate him... he evolves into a good Pokemon ^^

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I really want Pichu to return, but his chances were lowered when it was revealed that Pikachu's Final Smash was Volt Tackle. Pichu probably won't return. I'd rather have him in a Pokeball than an alternate costume though because it would be awkward having the announcer call Pichu Pikachu.

The goggles made Pichu even more awesome. It wouldn't have nearly the same effect if it was on Pikachu.

If Pichu were to somehow miraculously return, I would hope to see a moveset with some egg moves Pikachu wouldn't learn naturally. For example, he could use the attack Present. It would act similar to a bomb, but it would explode on impact and can't be caught. It would also be able to heal teammates in team battle.

 

[Stone.Tower]

I somewhat agree with MEWTWOMASTER2002. If Pichu miraculously returned, I suggest it have moves like Present, or moves that Pikachu wouldn't learn. Just to set it more apart from Pikachu, if anything.

But, as for my own opinion, I don't want Pichu back. I saw him as a lighter, smaller clone of Pikachu that hurt itself with it's electric attacks. I never used Pikachu that much, and I think I only used Pichu like once or twice. He was fairly useless in my opinion. Seeing as you could choose Pikachu and not having to worry about being thrown more than halfway across the stage with a Smash A or something to that affect. If anyone is able to play with Pichu, stand their ground and control the battlefield to the certain extent that Pichu allows, I'm envious, because I don't see how, with Pichu, that's possible.

 

[SonicMario]

Hopefully Pichu will only make an apperence as a Pokeball or perhaps downgraded to a regular trophy! (by the way i think This World... confirms the reappearence of normal trophies)

 

[Lemon Drop]

I know he most likely won't return but Pichu was a pimp :D

 

[Bli33ard]

Just keep Pichu to the Pokeball. Why have him as a character? Personally I'd only keep Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo in. Even though, I was shocked as Mewtwo was the 2nd hardest character to obtain.

But Pichu = FTL.

 

[Sgt.Frog]

Yes, get rid of him, he's outdated, unloved and a bit of a rubbish character.
Out with him I say.

 

[Ippius]

If Pichu comes back....He better know self destruct or something like that....

 

[The Incredible Giant Cannon]

My friend used pichu in the cape costume and froze the game when pichu used quick attack

SUPER PICHU AWAY!

 

[shocker90]

I agree with bli33ard if pichu is to be seen at all in brawl it should be as a pokemon from a pokeball as a character pichu just sucked

 

[The Incredible Giant Cannon]

I can win against level 9s with pichu don't say it sucked.

 

[Micahc]

I can win against level 9s with pichu don't say it sucked.

I can win against level nines with an up throw/smash.



Dang, I think I just insulted the character I'm trying to support...