Another set of proof why Ness is coming back!

[Noshiee]

I really don't care that much if Ness comes back anymore...But I want Claus!!!

do not spam, this is not the place to say that, go to a Claus discussion topic

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

do not spam, this is not the place to say that, go to a Claus discussion topic

It's not spam if I was talking about Ness

Thank you for making us both Spam now though

 

[axemangx]

Sigh, arguing with Luke is pointless.. he cant really get thoughts through his head, and just throws something away, cause the next best thing has more to it.

 

[Noshiee]

Psycho Incarnate
"It's not spam if I was talking about Ness

Thank you for making us both Spam now though"


this is a topic about discussing ShortFuse's proof thingy about Ness being in or not, not about ness in general, so your post was spam
if I only need to mention something about the topic so it doesnt count as spam, then I could only go to Peach discussion topic and say:
"Peach is cool but...Pichu suCks!!!!!, I want Ness in!!!, We need 100 updates a DAY!!!!!!!"

 

[vesperview]

Just the new videos and pictures are enough proof to make Ness's chances very high... he just hasn't been revealed to keep the suspense... BTW, I can't wait for Luke Groundwalker to throw his Link theory yet again in this thread.

this is a topic about discussing ShortFuse's proof thingy about Ness being in or not, not about ness in general, so your post was spam
if I only need to mention something about the topic so it doesnt count as spam, then I could only go to Peach discussion topic and say:
"Peach is cool but...Pichu suCks!!!!!, I want Ness in!!!, We need 100 updates a DAY!!!!!!!"

He's not spamming if he's talking about two characters from the same series, period! Maybe you haven't played Mother and don't know who Claus is.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

BTW, I can't wait for Luke Groundwalker to throw his Link theory yet again in this thread.

It's no theory, it's an RPG cliche. You have to be an idiot to miss it.

It's hilarious how people want Ness and Lucas, but don't want Ninten and Ness in, what a ****ing joke.

 

[vesperview]

It's no theory, it's an RPG cliche. You have to be an idiot to miss it.

It's hilarious how people want Ness and Lucas, but don't want Ninten and Ness in, what a ****ing joke.

That's just your point of view, in the Mother series all main characters have different names unlike Link, enough proof to dismiss your stupid theory.

and If they wanted to put all Earthbound mains on Brawl I'd have no problem with that.

 

[Noshiee]

It's no theory, it's an RPG cliche. You have to be an idiot to miss it.

It's hilarious how people want Ness and Lucas, but don't want Ninten and Ness in, what a ****ing joke.

maybe because Ninten is identical to Ness, and Ness was in first(SSB franshise), and Ness is more popular than Ninten, maybe not as important Earthbound-wise and story-wise, but Ness is indeed more popular

and if Ninten had a chance to be in, I would be most glad, couse I like Ninten too, maybe not as Lucas and Ness respectively, but I would like him to be in the game somehow

 

[Terrabottuti]

Since I don't want to make a new topic...

Hey guys, mind if I contribute a screenshot to this thread?

This image shows Lucas holding the Rope Snake, an item used by Duster in Mother 3 to cross big gaps. Not only does this mean that Lucas could be copying Zero Suit Samus and her whip moves, but it also means Lucas will be having a pretty unique moveset, since Ness never used a snake as a move in Smash Brothers or Melee.

This brings up the question... why would Sakurai want to screw over Smash and Mother fans by making his replacement have a vastly different moveset? It goes against his "please everyone" ethos he's got going for this game... Ness is a character loved by quite a few people, now that he's been in 2 Smash games already and gained quite a name for himself... also, if you haven't played Mother 3, it's different enough to merit a moveset change like this, so Sakurai might of given Ness a second chance with his oldschool style!

Things have never been better for Ness, considering the previous reasons I have mentioned and also the fact that Sakurai actually mentioned him in the update for Lucas is normally a pretty suicidal thing to do if you've actually replaced him... the copyright thing on the first post is a pretty huge factor too! Also, look at the 2 Fire Emblem protagonists in Melee... I mean, one's old and the other is new, and they both look pretty similar in terms of armor and fighting!

Also, stop being mean to Luke Groundwalker... the man is entitled to his own opinions and theories on a public forum such as this one, especially since we know next to nothing about this game, and that's what Sakurai wants! Heck, for all I know my post could be completely wrong and they might just dump Ness completely!

 

[vesperview]

maybe because Ninten is identical to Ness, and Ness was in first(SSB franshise), and Ness is more popular than Ninten, maybe not as important Earthbound-wise and story-wise, but Ness is indeed more popular

Ness is more popular than Ninten for the sole fact that no one knew what Mother was until Earthbound on the SNES. Most people don't know who Lucas is yet either, but certainly his confirmation in Brawl is enough to make him a mainstream character.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

That's just your point of view, in Earthbound all characters have different names unlike Link, enough proof to dismiss your stupid theory.

It doesn't matter, it's still the same concept in each game, just as much as a lot of RPGs. I would be fine with Ness and Lucas in at the same time, but I've stated many reasons that are better than most other reasons why Lucas should be the only main Mother character in Brawl with Ness as an alt. (basically packing two characters in one without wasting space on such an insignificant character, like with Dr. Mario).

and If they wanted to put all Earthbound mains on Brawl I'd have no problem with that.

Might as well give Brawl every seperate Link in the series. Or hey, how about we include the Magical Vacation and Magical Starsign main characters at the same time, even though they follow the same idea! They even have different names, instantly making them completely different characters even though their designs and concept is the same!

maybe because Ninten is identical to Ness

Wait, and Ness and Lucas aren't how?

 

[Noshiee]

It doesn't matter, it's still the same concept in each game, just as much as a lot of RPGs. I would be fine with Ness and Lucas in at the same time, but I've stated many reasons that are better than most other reasons why Lucas should be the only main Mother character in Brawl with Ness as an alt. (basically packing two characters in one without wasting space on such an insignificant character, like with Dr. Mario).

Might as well give Brawl every seperate Link in the series. Or hey, how about we include the Magical Vacation and Magical Starsign main characters at the same time, even though they follow the same idea! They even have different names, instantly making them completely different characters even though their designs and concept is the same!

Wait, and Ness and Lucas aren't how?

1. they have different names and are identical to each other, just with better looking outfits, but identical non the less, if all the links had different names and different outfits, I wouldnt have a problem

2.Ness is not insignificant comparing it to Doctor Mario

3.Ness and Ninten are identical in appereance, which is why Ninten has low chances, but atleast have different names, Lucas has different color outfit, doesnt have a cap, is blond and has a preety cool hairstyle...=Lucas is nothing like Ness-Ninten, he has similar build, also does Kirby and Jigglypuff, Ike and Marth, Peach and Zelda, etc.

 

[Bane]

Hey guys, mind if I contribute a screenshot to this thread?

This image shows Lucas holding the Rope Snake, an item used by Duster in Mother 3 to cross big gaps. Not only does this mean that Lucas could be copying Zero Suit Samus and her whip moves, but it also means Lucas will be having a pretty unique moveset, since Ness never used a snake as a move in Smash Brothers or Melee.

This brings up the question... why would Sakurai want to screw over Smash and Mother fans by making his replacement have a vastly different moveset? It goes against his "please everyone" ethos he's got going for this game... Ness is a character loved by quite a few people, now that he's been in 2 Smash games already and gained quite a name for himself... also, if you haven't played Mother 3, it's different enough to merit a moveset change like this, so Sakurai might of given Ness a second chance with his oldschool style!

Things have never been better for Ness, considering the previous reasons I have mentioned and also the fact that Sakurai actually mentioned him in the update for Lucas is normally a pretty suicidal thing to do if you've actually replaced him... the copyright thing on the first post is a pretty huge factor too! Also, look at the 2 Fire Emblem protagonists in Melee... I mean, one's old and the other is new, and they both look pretty similar in terms of armor and fighting!

Also, stop being mean to Luke Groundwalker... the man is entitled to his own opinions and theories on a public forum such as this one, especially since we know next to nothing about this game, and that's what Sakurai wants! Heck, for all I know my post could be completely wrong and they might just dump Ness completely!

*applause*

You=my hero.

You introduced actual evidence, extrapolated to a thoery that was reasonable while using well constructed logic and good grammar. Meanwhile you dispelled any adversarial sentiment and weren't blind to teh fact that it was just a theory. I wish we had more of you around...

In fact, you've summed up the situation so well I scarcely have anything to add... Good points all around, Ness has a great shot of coming back, Earthbound is the only internationally released Mother game (Ike anyone?) as well as his two Smash appearances as have gained him a recognition lucas can only aspire to.

 

[vesperview]

It doesn't matter, it's still the same concept in each game, just as much as a lot of RPGs. I would be fine with Ness and Lucas in at the same time, but I've stated many reasons that are better than most other reasons why Lucas should be the only main Mother character in Brawl with Ness as an alt. (basically packing two characters in one without wasting space on such an insignificant character, like with Dr. Mario).

The fact that the series follows a concept doesn't mean their characters are identical or have no room for differences, Final Fantasy also follows the same concept, yet their characters are not identical.

Might as well give Brawl every seperate Link in the series. Or hey, how about we include the Magical Vacation and Magical Starsign main characters at the same time, even though they follow the same idea! They even have different names, instantly making them completely different characters even though their designs and concept is the same!

Is not just about the name... when you talk about a character like Link, who has followed a pattern throughout the entire Zelda series, despite whether or not the timeline or backstory is different, Link has never been introduced as a new character because the story behind Zelda games is that one hero is reincarnated in the young man's body, the little farm boy may just be that different character your talking about but once he puts his green tunic on, he's just as Link as any other who preceded him.

Also, stop being mean to Luke Groundwalker... the man is entitled to his own opinions and theories on a public forum such as this one, especially since we know next to nothing about this game, and that's what Sakurai wants! Heck, for all I know my post could be completely wrong and they might just dump Ness completely!

Since when does he actually consider other people's opinions? Everyone is entitled to his opinion as far as he is concerned.

 

[Noshiee]

*applause*

You=my hero.

You introduced actual evidence, extrapolated to a thoery that was reasonable while using well constructed logic and good grammar. Meanwhile you dispelled any adversarial sentiment and weren't blind to teh fact that it was just a theory. I wish we had more of you around...

In fact, you've summed up the situation so well I scarcely have anything to add... Good points all around, Ness has a great shot of coming back, Earthbound is the only internationally released Mother game (Ike anyone?) as well as his two Smash appearances as have gained him a recognition lucas can only aspire to.

I know, though this screenshot and others were revealed in the 2 Lucas's threads and Kumatoras' thread too, as well in a Thread in the General Brawl discussion that I made, though its preety cool that he showed it here so the people who didnt see it in the other threads could see it, like you for example lol!!

 

[tennisthehilife]

Cool Lucas has unique moveset. I still want Ness. Where did you get the Lucas Image from?

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

1. they have different names and are identical to each other, just with better looking outfits, but identical non the less, if all the links had different names and different outfits, I wouldnt have a problem

Like I said, would you like it if the characters from the Magical Vacation series were both in? Let me show you pics of the cover art:

These twin characters are completely different characters in their own game, having their own names and design, but they're basically the same concept of a character. Do you want these four characters in Brawl, or just one set of them to represent the whole series?

2.Ness is not insignificant comparing it to Doctor Mario

He sorta is, bro. Ness hardly holds any significance to the series at all other than in the States.

3.Ness and Ninten are identical in appereance, which is why Ninten has low chances, but atleast have different names, Lucas has different color outfit, doesnt have a cap, is blond and has a preety cool hairstyle...=Lucas is nothing like Ness-Ninten, he has similar build, also does Kirby and Jigglypuff, Ike and Marth, Peach and Zelda, etc.

Oh, and you forgot the mention that pretty much each Mother protagonist has the same stats, uses the same weapons, has the same physical features, has the same PSI moves (usually the recent one being an improvement from the last one).

And I missed the guys post, mybad. He has a point I can agree with, but he's also forgetting that his moveset isn't really confirmed, and most of the PSI moves look pretty similar to anything Ness did in Melee. The snake-rope isn't confirmed to be a move entirely yet.

 

[Noshiee]

http://www.mother-jp.net/times/20071013.html

that and others screenshots are here

 

[vesperview]

And I missed the guys post, mybad. He has a point I can agree with, but he's also forgetting that his moveset isn't really confirmed, and most of the PSI moves look pretty similar to anything Ness did in Melee. The snake-rope isn't confirmed to be a move entirely yet.

Having the Rope Snake as an item is completely useless.

 

[Noshiee]

Having the Rope Snake as an item is completely useless.

i know, also the picture is in a Lucas article related, and the link I posted before says that it is smash attack or something, atleast is what eveybody thinks 'couse what it says doesnt make a lot of scence

I though it was going to be his grab move and be similar to Link's Claw shot or something, but the article could be wrong though

 

[vesperview]

i know, also the picture is in a Lucas article related, and the link I posted before says that it is smash attack or something, atleast is what eveybody thinks 'couse what it says doesnt make a lot of scence

Of course it's gonna be a smash attack from Lucas, what could Link or Samus do with that? use it like it's a clawshot or a grapple beam? it makes NO sense!

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Having the Rope Snake as an item is completely useless.

How? It would give character the ability to grab onto things from afar when they normally can't and perhaps use it as a rope and cling onto things from above and swing around, exactly like it does in the game.

 

[vesperview]

How? It would give character the ability to grab onto things from afar when they normally can't and perhaps use it as a rope and cling onto things from above and swing around, exactly like it does in the game.

Read above post please. Some characters don't need that kind of item, cause they already have that kind of thing.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Read above post please.

Well, yeah, of course it wouldn't be useful to those characters. But that's the same with the Screw Ball and Samus, really. It's useful for everyone else, except for her, since she already can do it.

 

[Noshiee]

Read above post please. Some characters don't need that kind of item, cause they already have that kind of thing.

and the one above that one too, the article says its a smash attack

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

and the one above that one too, the article says its a smash attack

Not necessarily, it just says that Lucas is using it, basically. It doesn't mention if it's a move or not, but I'm personally leaning that it is.

Never know, it could just be showcasing an item from Mother 3 along with the main protagonist. I personally would hope it isn't one of Lucas' specials. Not because he would be different from Ness, but because it would be a terrible idea. The snake-rope is a lot better as a grab.

 

[blerb]

you sir giveme hope for the human race.

cheers man, cheers. puts all of the non believers in their place for now.

 

[vesperview]

Not necessarily, it just says that Lucas is using it, basically. It doesn't mention if it's a move or not, but I'm personally leaning that it is.

Never know, it could just be showcasing an item from Mother 3 along with the main protagonist.

Doubtful, if it was an item it would be most definitely shown independently and not with the character from the series, it would be misleading and stupid... plus it worth the mention in a Lucas article since there hasn't been a moveset revealed. and I highly doubt they'll make an item with those characteristics to be represented by a game that hasn't even left japan.

 

[axemangx]

I just realized..

How old is this picture?

 

[Noshiee]

I just realized..

How old is this picture?

a little bit, not much, maybe like a week

 

[axemangx]

a little bit, not much, maybe like a week or two

Wow. We knew Sonic was confirmed before we even knew it.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Doubtful, if it was an item it would be most definitely shown independently and not with the character from the series, it would be misleading and stupid... plus it worth the mention in a Lucas article since there hasn't been a moveset revealed. and I highly doubt they'll make an item with those characteristics to be represented by a game that hasn't even left japan.

Well, it's true, it does look like it could be one of his moves, but it isn't confirmed yet, so I'm not going to jump to too much conclusions.

But since when did Japan-only item things not exist in Smash Bros.? Lip's Stick? Mother 3's version of the Franklin Badge? According to your logic, those two items shouldn't be in at all.

Personally, I would love the rope-snake to be an item. I always thought it'd be perfect as one, being similar to the Screw Attack and giving other characters the ability to have something only one (or in the rope-snake's case, a few) character can do.

 

[Noshiee]

Wow. We knew Sonic was confirmed before we even knew it.

ok I got conused , Im kinda sleepy and for some reason I though Sonic was confirmed last week, so whish make the picture like half week old...again srry lol

 

[vesperview]

I just realized..

How old is this picture?

They wouldn't make such mistake, this came after the videos with the sonic update.

 

[Noshiee]

They wouldn't make such mistake, this came after the videos with the sonic update.

I know, my bad , it was like 4 AM, I was really sleepy.
Now, topic-wise, that looks really alike to Ness's Bair, which I hate, 'couse I want Ness in Brarwl ...it's a cool screenshot though lol!!

 

[Chepe]

How so? Ness stretches both feet out to strike from behind, while not only is this Lucas' Fair, but he uses a magical kick like Zelda!

Seriously, the only move that looks any similar to Ness is that "power release" move that looks like PK Flash seen in a screenshot and a video. All his other moves so far look completely different (down hexagon kick, forward hexagon kick, and rope snake)...

 

[Noshiee]

How so? Ness stretches both feet out to strike from behind, while not only is this Lucas' Fair, but he uses a magical kick like Zelda!

Seriously, the only move that looks any similar to Ness is that "power release" move that looks like PK Flash seen in a screenshot and a video. All his other moves so far look completely different (down hexagon kick, forward hexagon kick, and rope snake)...

the picture with sonic and charizard is actually a Bair

 

[Ridley FTB!!!]

get the world best two smash players and let one master lucas and one master ness
the winner gets in.

 

[VanillaMummy]

Just a question: If the Franklin Badge and Mr. Saturn items originated in the games made by the other company, wouldn't they still retain their copyrights over this item?

Also, the Goldeneye item was listed as "TOP SECRET" because they didn't get the right to use the exact model from Goldeneye, it only looked similar to it...

 

[Noshiee]

Just a question: If the Franklin Badge and Mr. Saturn items originated in the games made by the other company, wouldn't they still retain their copyrights over this item?

well, both of them appeared in Mother 3 and APE Inc wasnt credited, so I guess they dont need to do it in brawl either. Maybe those copyrights are owned by other company that also worked with the Mother games, like hal laboratory, brownie brown or the most important Shigesato Itoi, the one who created the Mother games.