DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
My first tournament here didn't ban them, but the one I'm going to his weekend, has them banned.
Same Venue, and TOs, too.
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Same Venue, and TOs, too.
BattleField, is in ZSS favor. She has to much range & overallstage control. Especially at the beggining with the armor pieces. Also can recover at high %'s. If you don't KO her, she'll most probably return.
Try to playZSS on FD/RC SV, DP,Brinstar, ect, ect. Long as it isnt BF you'l do alright. Rainbow Cruise being your best bet CP.
Try to playZSS on FD/RC SV, DP,Brinstar, ect, ect. Long as it isnt BF you'l do alright. Rainbow Cruise being your best bet CP.
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
so to wrap it up... to choose: RAINBOW CRUISE, frigate orpheon, port town (if tourney allows), FD, SV?
not to choose: yoshi's island brawl, halberd, NORFAIR, bf
not to choose: yoshi's island brawl, halberd, NORFAIR, bf
Matt07
Smash Master
Agreed on what you said Mario 101.
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
k this time its falco
Ismael
Smash Ace
Green Greens and Corneria are banned but Pirate Ship is legit? WTF???Here in FL (Orlando, at least) both Green Greens and Corneria are banned. Pirate ship may be my best chance.
On topic: Falco.
Mario's air game is oddly good against Falco's. And while Mario can cape Falco's lazers, they're still annoying. Platforms seem to help. I'm going to have to go with Battlefield as a good stage. As for kills, Mario can pretty much easily gimp Falco anywhere with a well placed cape, so it's not a real factor.
Rainbow Cruise is nice when facing Falco. Mario can only gimp at ledges obviously but in Rainbow Cruise where you have to jump from platform to platform, the entire stage is simply one gimping opportunity after another.
fromundaman
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LM ***** laser spam as well, and kind of negates one of Falco's main kill moves (Usmash). Can he Utilt lock though?
Lylat can mess up the laser spam as well due to the stage tilting. Platforms can also help with Dthrow follow-ups I think?
Lylat can mess up the laser spam as well due to the stage tilting. Platforms can also help with Dthrow follow-ups I think?
Ismael
Smash Ace
Actally, I'd say it's still 50-50. Shy Guys are purely situational, and the one (and very low) platform dosn't provide much to Mario's air game or avoiding laser spams, especially when it oddly tips down at an angle sometimes. And... awkward field? Hmm, explain.
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
the stage has in the middle and on the very ends near the edges whar it is a bit lower than the rest of the stage. it isn't completely flat on the ground thar
Matt07
Smash Master
Falco...I'd take him on Rainbow Cruise . Or Norfair perhaps, there's so many platforms and you can easily Cape Falco's lasers if he's trying to camp.
. Or Norfair perhaps, there's so many platforms and you can easily Cape Falco's lasers if he's trying to camp.
Ismael
Smash Ace
True, but isn't that a factor against or good for Mario as much as it is against Falco? It dosn't prove that big a difference, really. It just sometimes make movement awkward for both of you.
Norfair and Frigate Orpheon are good picks as well. Platforms for air game and laser avoidance + easy gimping opportunities.
Teh Future
Smash Master
falcos forward B goes right through the cape when ever I try to use it. You have to hit him in the beginning of the animation.
He is not that easy to gimp...
He is not that easy to gimp...
Ismael
Smash Ace
Or you can also simply cape after the illusion as well.
It really dosn't matter, cape will always win unless he illusions before we get the chance to cape him. But you can usually tell when he's going to do it, since that's what Falcos always do against us Marios. Just remember to watch out for it when he's above, or parallel to the ledge.
Any respectable Falco should almost never try to Fire Bird unless absolutely necissary, or else we WILL cape him.
It really dosn't matter, cape will always win unless he illusions before we get the chance to cape him. But you can usually tell when he's going to do it, since that's what Falcos always do against us Marios. Just remember to watch out for it when he's above, or parallel to the ledge.
Any respectable Falco should almost never try to Fire Bird unless absolutely necissary, or else we WILL cape him.
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FLUDD can even **** phantasm on its own, it's hilarious.
Matt07
Smash Master
Wow...that's why I never gimp a Falco, I never used FLUDD, I always caped first.
Which was why I had trouble gimping Falco in the first place =/.
Which was why I had trouble gimping Falco in the first place =/.
vato_break
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i would say to go sv agianst snake makes camping a bit easier.
lately....I've just been caping the **** out of falcos. Alot of his attacks have moderately long wind-down and they love to shieldgrab (Cape shield pokes). If they just happen to illusion one of those many times I'm caping....lol. I think it outranges most of his stuff too
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I don't like RC much.
I usually use Frigate. Fun stage. Especially on the first transformation. The depression in the second transformation can be abused to duck under his laser camping.
I've also done really well against Falco on Yoshis. I honestly think it's one of the better neutrals against him. The stage is fairly small, and the depression helps you duck under his lasers. The small stage in general seems to limit the effectiveness of his recovery.
I usually use Frigate. Fun stage. Especially on the first transformation. The depression in the second transformation can be abused to duck under his laser camping.
I've also done really well against Falco on Yoshis. I honestly think it's one of the better neutrals against him. The stage is fairly small, and the depression helps you duck under his lasers. The small stage in general seems to limit the effectiveness of his recovery.
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Finally, somebody else like me.
Mabye I should play at RC more... but I hate it so much.
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Rainbow is so much fun :D
and imo pretty good for mario.
and and another imo, a horrible falco stage.
Thats why I would take a falco there. Hard to chaingrab > spike too.
Oh and if i didnt tell you guys. Im done with hoping around characters cause of anger and disappointment. This is the last time I SWEAR (lol) Im gonna be using alot more mario in tourneys now. And thats it.
**** just got real.
and imo pretty good for mario.
and and another imo, a horrible falco stage.
Thats why I would take a falco there. Hard to chaingrab > spike too.
Oh and if i didnt tell you guys. Im done with hoping around characters cause of anger and disappointment. This is the last time I SWEAR (lol) Im gonna be using alot more mario in tourneys now. And thats it.
**** just got real.
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melee.....
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
k so to choose vs falco: RC, Frigate, SV?, and... norfair perhaps.
not to choose: FD
not to choose: FD
Ismael
Smash Ace
Fox: Pretty much the same as Falco.
Sure, Fox's Fire Fox is better than Falco's Fire Bird, but why would you do either against a Mario? They'll both go for their sideb, so just watch for Fox's illusion. Fox's sideb is less dangerous since it won't spike like Falco's, anyway.
RC might be less of an option due to Fox's superior recovery, but then again you can still cape him.
Sure, Fox's Fire Fox is better than Falco's Fire Bird, but why would you do either against a Mario? They'll both go for their sideb, so just watch for Fox's illusion. Fox's sideb is less dangerous since it won't spike like Falco's, anyway.
RC might be less of an option due to Fox's superior recovery, but then again you can still cape him.
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
updated. this week is game&watch. srry its taken a while for me to do this. i've had a lotta stuff going on :/
DtJ XeroXen
The biggest fraud
Only take a G&W to battlefield if you are able to keep the pressure on G&W, he owns on that stage, really.
-Sensei-
Smash Journeyman
First off, Game and Watch owns on Rainbow Cruise. So whatever you do, don't take him there. I personally would take him to FD to take advantage of the FIHL on his aerials better.
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
ok sounds good sounds good... getting some discussion... i think BF is a gud choice, Lylat cruise for the same reason as bf, as well as Yoshi island brawl, cuz of the platform and how some parts of the ground on the stage are tilted, making it easier to anticipate some of Game&watches aerials and punish them.
BoTastic!
Smash Master
Battelfield.
SkylerOcon
Tiny Dancer
Don't take him to Rainbow Cruise. Period. I always lose when I play G&W there.
I'd say that FD, BF, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), and Lylat all work well. Though, I think FD is the best because it's good for abusing FIHL.
I'd say that FD, BF, Yoshi's Island (Brawl), and Lylat all work well. Though, I think FD is the best because it's good for abusing FIHL.
Ismael
Smash Ace
Battlefield is Mario's best stage. It messes up G&W's air combo's, and it helps Mario with his own combos.
Seriously? I played one of the worst Luigi's on this site today, and only lost once. The stage? Battlefield.
I guess it's just not right for me, I 3-stocked him on PS1 and every other neutral.
I'd rather take a Game and Watch to FD or Norfair.
I guess it's just not right for me, I 3-stocked him on PS1 and every other neutral.
I'd rather take a Game and Watch to FD or Norfair.
BoTastic!
Smash Master
Battlefield works better for luigi. For G&W. You can rack a lot of damage on Battlefield. Just expect the key, and you'll be alright.
-Coco-
Smash Ace
pokemon stadium 1 <_< it ***** his recovery
Mario_ 101
Smash Ace
ok i guess i'll put it in as to choose: FD, BF, LC, YI (Brawl), Norfair, and maybe pokemon stadium1
not to choose: rainbow cruise...
btw do u guys think i should add jungle japes to the list of stages not to choose for every character reguardless because its hard for mario to gimp n get verticle kills, although against luigi its supposed to be a stage they don't like vs mario... so o.o
not to choose: rainbow cruise...
btw do u guys think i should add jungle japes to the list of stages not to choose for every character reguardless because its hard for mario to gimp n get verticle kills, although against luigi its supposed to be a stage they don't like vs mario... so o.o