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An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

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Sakurai did say he wanted more females in Brawl.
Not quite, when he talked about Zero Suit Samus, he was glad to include her since she added to the number of lacking girls and Metroid characters. However, it does somewhat imply that he'd like to see more girls.
 

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Aren't you guys going to delete One_Step from the list? He posted his "final" roster, he claimed to be joking about the whole Nintendo ninjas thing. Unfortunately for him, it lacked Ness.
 

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Some new leaker information!! 3 different pages. The leaker's name is MrDaveandWatch
Sources:
http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4104
http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1727
http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2456

"Before anyone asks any questions, I was given the opportunity to interview a Super Smash Bros. Brawl programmer just a few days ago for work. He told me a lot about the game, but I brought up the subject of what didn't quite make it but was planned. He gave me specific examples, then I asked if I could have more to release for fun. He gladly agreed. What you are about to read is interesting information of what didn't quite make it to the final Brawl. I'm posting this here to help the wait for Brawl ease up. Hope you enjoy this!

Cut Characters
I asked first about what characters were planned then didn't make it. They drafted about 300 possible newcomers to begin with, then narrowed it down to the final version. Some of the characters on the list that didn't make it past the list meaning they were considered included:

-Little Mac
-Professor Oak
-Eliwood
-Captain Syrup
-Kracko
-Waluigi

Many of them were placed in the Assist Trophy field, however, the ones below were seriously considered and programming even begun. However, they were ultimately cut for various reasons...

-King K. Rool: One of the last characters to get the axe. His moveset had been drafted "about five or six times, three of them had begun programming" before he was finally pulled. The team kept on revising him until he was ultimately given another role in the game, one they felt was more fitting.

-Blaziken: Shortly after the announcement of Brawl, the team quickly took notice that Blaziken was far and away one of the most popular Pokemon reps suggested by fans. Programming begun, but Sakurai suggested they wait and see his status after Diamond and Pearl. He noticed that Blaziken's popularity had diminished in the new generation of Pokemon and decided to cut him from the roster. Blaziken would have been "a true hand-to-hand combat character with some fire moves mixed in."

-Banjo and Kazooie: The team was planning on including the duo from the start and wanted to team up with Rare for the designing of the pair. However, complications arose with Microsoft over the rights of Banjo and Kazooie, meaning the Brawl team would have had to make a deal with Microsoft itself. Not willing to go that far for the character, the idea was scrapped.

-Claus: Claus from Mother 3 was one of the last characters to be put in the final roster until his removal. His model was done and actually inserted into the game, but all programming of his existence as a playable character was removed due to a serious flaw in design: his wings could not function well in the game. Also, the physics of one of his taunts, him taking off his mask, created further problems in programming. The team attempted to correct it but decided to cut the character from the roster.

-R.O.B.: R.O.B was one of the major contenders for Brawl's surprise character. He was probably the closest to completion other than Claus. However, his robotic physics turned out to be surprisingly hard to master and his moves were confusing. He was then re-designed for Subspace Emissary.

-Wart Wart truly never made it past the designing stage, but some models were made of him. His appearance as a playable character was later decided to be unneccessary and the team had halted designing on him for too long in favor of other characters to put him in the roster. So, he was cut from the status of playable character.

I found all these to be extremely interesting, and keep in mind that just because they aren't playable doesn't mean they aren't in the game. One of the more interesting characters that was considered was none other than Phoenix Wright from Capcom fame, but I chose not to mention him because I wasn't given specific information.

Cut Stage
There was one truly cut stage in Brawl that was indeed in the Beta, but seemed unneccesary with the inclusion of Pictochat as well.

-Mii Plaza: The stage took place on the blank plaza which would slowly fill up with Miis and then would later be overrun by Miis in a giant Parade. It was almost like a stampede and it was truly the only hazard. Dodging the Miis was essential, and sometimes your own Miis would make an appearance. It sounded interesting, so too bad it was cut.

Cut Game Components
The team had some great ideas for Brawl that were cut mostly due to time. They didn't want to cause any more delay and the game was already deep enough as it was.

-Customizeable Characters: Rumors have been circulating about customizeable Brawl characters for several months now. I was told it was at one point "in the actual game. It added a whole new layer of strategy." Each character had customizeable special moves. Each move (Standard Special, Up Special, Side Special, Down Special) had three different forms. Not only was this implimented, but two Final Smashes came with each character. Pokemon Trainer, for example, was planned to take all his Pokemon back and put in one fourth Pokemon: Arceus from Diamond and Pearl Versions. The moves were going to be unlockables earned by defeating bosses in Subspace Emissary. They were cut because it was far too time consuming to program all moves. Also, some characters, such as Ike and Zelda, had customized moves that caused the game to lock up. It was a major flaw in the system and was removed to eliminate all loose ends.

-Trophy Battle: Here is my favorite one. Trophies were given a second feature in this game: the Trophy Battle. It was a turned based game using your Miis where each trophy had one special move that could attack or defend the player. Each one could only be used once in a "set" of 50 trophies. Once you unlocked 50 trophies, the mode was unlocked. It was cut due to problems with programming each trophy.

There was definitely more that was cut, but this is all I was told in the interview. The information he gave me that is still in the game that has yet to be revealed is incredible; there are some big surprises, and I'm not just talking about characters. Expect big things."

"Okay so as you know I posted some Brawl Beta information in another topic. I'm here to say that one of the characters i previously said was cut is in fact in Brawl. Oddly enough I had accidentally viewed the article wrong and got some names mixed up. I'm not too die-hard of a Nintendo fan so don't call me on it, it's not my fault. For those of you who do not know, I work for a major gaming magazine that will release a post-Brawl article about the game and I asked about what didn't get in. I posted a separate topic about it on the boards. I also received lots of information and I'm here to deconfirm/confirm many of the major rumors/prophets.

-More than one of the "leakers" have posted nothing but true information.
-The real roster has yet to appear.
-Based on the recent Stickers leak of Lucario, Jigglypuff, and Ness, it is true that there will be no more than 5 reps per represented series.
-"Prophet" rapscouter has correctly predicted the Ditto pokeball Pokemon.
-One_Step87 has made the most correct predictions but is a fake. Some of his correct predictions include Chibi Robo and Midna Assist Trophies and Black Shadow as a boss.
-HoldenCaully is a fake.
-ChaoticImplosion is a fake.

References for the prophets is found here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=135778
My previous topic on Brawl's beta is here: viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1727&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I'll say more for those who are willing to hear."

"Some of you may remember me from two other threads where I revealed some information regarding Brawl; one described information that was cut from the game, the other de-confirmed/confirmed popular rumors. What I did in each was to direct attention away from officials, I included fake information provided by myself amidst real information. Clever, no? Anyways, now I’m going to do something everyone’s long had coming: reveal Brawl’s newcomers. My sources are explained in my previous two threads:

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1727
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2456


I don’t know much about the veterans so I’ll cast that aside, but yeah, I’m going to reveal a good number of the newcomers. There is one catch, though: I’ve included several characters that aren’t actually characters in Brawl. Some of them are Assist Trophies, some have other roles in Brawl, and some don’t even appear! It’s up to you guys to figure out/speculate which ones are the real deal. Be wary, as the ones that are in fact included may surprise you.

Mario Series: Bowser Jr., Geno, Tatanga, Paper Mario, Wart
Zelda Series: Skull Kid, Midna, Vaati, Tetra, Darunia
Metroid Series: Sylux, Dark Samus, Ridley, Space Pirate
Pokemon Series: Professor Oak, Lucario, Blaziken
Fire Emblem Series: Hector, Eliwood, Micaiah, Mia, Ephraim
Earthbound Series: Pokey, Poo, Masked Man/Claus, Flint
Starfox Series: Wolf, Krystal, General Scales, James McCloud
Other Series: Isaac, Felix, Andy, Ray 01, Black Shadow
Retro Series: Balloon Fighter, Sukapon, Mach Rider, R.O.B, Laughing Dog, Papa
Animal Crossing Series: Tom Nook, Gulliver, Animal Crosser

Keep in mind that there are some characters I have withheld just for the fun of it. It’s also possible that I’ve included series that have no more representitives. Happy guessing!"

Seems as tho he was trying to debunk some prophets himself. Lol =P
 

LeuMasT

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:/ Should that even be put up? Seriously, there is absolutely no information that can be gathered from that last leak. He literally says everything is a maybe.
 

rusashi

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that guy is fake.

This thread is kind of pointless now that we have the game coming out within days lol.
 

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:/ Should that even be put up? Seriously, there is absolutely no information that can be gathered from that last leak. He literally says everything is a maybe.
No kidding - if hes not going to give us correct information, hes simply wasting our time, and doing like rapscouter and making himself impossible do debunk before the game comes out (only worse, since unlike rapscouter he doesn't give a specific number of lies being among his info, just says not all of it is true).

Come one, the real, undeniable info can't be too far away. Only three more days before the release...

Zevox
 

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I do not believe Daveandwatch. Also, I have more information. Apparently on the Brawl Central Rumor Central board, someone posing as Forbrawlbattle is posting information. Here's the link: http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4127

I don't know if it's him or not, but some of it's pretty convincing.

Here's what he says:

"
Greetings Im Forbrawlbattle.
I have previously revealed 50 AT's on Gamespot forums

i knew the topic there would get locked and aware this topic will fell the same fate.
But hear me out.
its only a matter of days before SSBB is released so believe what you see.

My source has given me the get-go to reveal everything he gave me except the characters not shown yet and major SSE spoilers

lets begin.

-there are 85 AT's in the game, a few are unlockable.
-over 200 music tracks.
-650 trophies in all.
-5 optional trophies
-there is a character who has a similar structure of that of Rayman.
-there are 2 new female characters excluding Zero Suit Samus
-Eggman is a SSE boss
-some AT's are basic enemies in SSE
-finales smash has some importance in SSE
-SSBM data will unlock a few exclusive stickers and trophy
-wario land has some representation
-pokemon colosseum has representation
-Master and Crazy hand are in SSE
-other Nintendo games for the Wii will give you exclusive stuff (e.g SMG data gives you SMG music)
-Muddy mole is a AT
-Demiru is a AT
-Medusa is a SSE boss
-Jam with the band has a AT
-metal sonic is in the game somewhere
-Shaymin, Darkrai and Manaphy are some Pokemon that appear
-Giranta and Regigigas are Pokeball Pokemon
-Japan gets the Quedan trophy, America will get the Elite Beat Agents trophy
-some playable characters will be bosses in SSE but with different play styles
-The WTF character for brawl was a trophy in SSBM that took lots of paitence to aquire
-Alloy team appears in SSE and Classic Mode
-A certain fan desired Reptile is playable

-there are 2 playable f-zero characters
-there is a item that turns people to stone and a item that powers up the character
-Ness returns with the same moves from Melee.
-finally Captain Olimar and Pokemon Trainer team up in SSE one time.

hope you like the info I gave you"

What y'all think?
 

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Indeed he is. I'll post Forbrawlbattle's information in quotes now:

"Greetings Im Forbrawlbattle.
I have previously revealed 50 AT's on Gamespot forums

i knew the topic there would get locked and aware this topic will fell the same fate.
But hear me out.
its only a matter of days before SSBB is released so believe what you see.

My source has given me the get-go to reveal everything he gave me except the characters not shown yet and major SSE spoilers

lets begin.

-there are 85 AT's in the game, a few are unlockable.
-over 200 music tracks.
-650 trophies in all.
-5 optional trophies
-there is a character who has a similar structure of that of Rayman.
-there are 2 new female characters excluding Zero Suit Samus
-Eggman is a SSE boss
-some AT's are basic enemies in SSE
-finales smash has some importance in SSE
-SSBM data will unlock a few exclusive stickers and trophy
-wario land has some representation
-pokemon colosseum has representation
-Master and Crazy hand are in SSE
-other Nintendo games for the Wii will give you exclusive stuff (e.g SMG data gives you SMG music)
-Muddy mole is a AT
-Demiru is a AT
-Medusa is a SSE boss
-Jam with the band has a AT
-metal sonic is in the game somewhere
-Shaymin, Darkrai and Manaphy are some Pokemon that appear
-Giranta and Regigigas are Pokeball Pokemon
-Japan gets the Quedan trophy, America will get the Elite Beat Agents trophy
-some playable characters will be bosses in SSE but with different play styles
-The WTF character for brawl was a trophy in SSBM that took lots of paitence to aquire
-Alloy team appears in SSE and Classic Mode
-A certain fan desired Reptile is playable ;)
-there are 2 playable f-zero characters
-there is a item that turns people to stone and a item that powers up the character
-Ness returns with the same moves from Melee.
-finally Captain Olimar and Pokemon Trainer team up in SSE one time.

hope you like the info I gave you"
 

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Can we debunk OneStep? He says the total character count is 38, but lists a total of 14 characters, not including Ness or Jigglypuff, who have been "semi-confirmed". Those two plus the ones he mentions plus the other confirmed characters make 39.
 

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I do not believe Daveandwatch. Also, I have more information. Apparently on the Brawl Central Rumor Central board, someone posing as Forbrawlbattle is posting information. Here's the link: http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4127

I don't know if it's him or not, but some of it's pretty convincing.
Given how incredibly vague he is about many things, I don't think its at all convincing. Plus that AT list of his still suffers from having Pak E Derm on it and claiming it does what thealmightygoat said it does when goat boy admitted he made everything up - unless goat got a pretty darn lucky guess, forbrawlbattle is as fake as he was.

Zevox
 

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Pfft... it screams fake to me. He posted a lot of information that's already common knowledge from Jumpfesta and Whobby (Regigigas, Shaymin, Darkrai) and some from Dojo updates (Manaphy). As well as rumored information (SSBM and other Wii game saves giving you special stuff). I find him hard to believe now, I really do.
 

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If i belive anyone i believe rapscouter and forbrawlbattle sounds beliveable to me
 

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I'm through "believing" people. The game comes out in Japan this week. All will be revealed then.
 

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Come on guys, I posted several times throughout that topic pointing out that that guy (forbrawl on Brawl Central) is just a poser. I asked him to post on the Gamespot forum to confirm his identity, and he said he would 'see what he can do' and never came back. His profile shows he hasn't logged in for the last week, so he definitely didn't try to 'see what he can do'

That post was that account's first post- it could have just as easily been someone like me reading this topic and then deciding to pose as someone else on the internet.

First BrawlZero, then this guy, what next?

http://www.gamespot.com/users/forbrawlbattle/
 

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Sorry for double posting, didn't finish and the Edit button isn't working for some reason.

The point is to research the background of someone a little bit before trying to be the first one to post it here. If we just looked through that BrawlZero guy's past posts in the first place (you can access them through a person's profile), then it would have been VERY clear he's a fake. If we looked at this guy's post count in the first place, it becomes pretty clear that he's likely just posing (furthermore because he capitalized the first letter of his name, unlike the one on the gamespot forums)
 

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Well, that's because the roster is [Nintendo made me take this down]
 

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Um guys Mewtwo isn't necessarily out as I've said before. Can we please take out those danged Semi-Deconfirmations?
 

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1. there is a character who has a similar structure of that of Rayman.
2. Japan gets the Quedan trophy, America will get the Elite Beat Agents trophy
3. some playable characters will be bosses in SSE but with different play styles
4. A certain fan desired Reptile is playable ;)
1. Sounds like Sukapon
2. **** it! The agents aren't nearly as cool as the Ouendan
3. Maybe... Mewtwo or Ridley?
4. That could be Ridley or K. Rool, I assume
 

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Reno is one person. Are we really right to call "the NeoGAFers" as a collective entity? Did Nyasaesene... (w/e, I can't remember how to spell her name) and the other NeoGAFers approve of this roster? Is it possible that Reno is just a rogue?
 

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Reno is one person. Are we really right to call "the NeoGAFers" as a collective entity? Did Nyasaesene... (w/e, I can't remember how to spell her name) and the other NeoGAFers approve of this roster? Is it possible that Reno is just a rogue?
Reno and MarkMan are the NeoGAF leakers that are generally being referred to (they argreed with everything each other posted), and there is also the NeoGAF mod sp0rsk who claimed they were not lying. NyaseNya is independant of them, a member of these boards whose information happens to fit with theirs.

Zevox
 

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MarkMan agreed with Reno that those are all the newcomers in Brawl. Reno agreed with MM when MM said that there were 41 stages and 35 Characters before Reno listed those newcomers.
 

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"ok i'll admit

i can't log into my gamespot account.

heres the story.

During the first week of January I used a different E-mail account.
so I did'nt write down the E-mail address on a piece of paper or anything.
I signed off the E-mail address and about a week later I had to make a different account.

thats why I can't log into my Gamespot account."-forbrawlbattle on brawlcentral topic.

Source: http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4127&start=75
 
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