Am I the only one worried about brawl lag?

[kithkin]

I was looking into it, and after playing mario party 8 and witnessing the instances of lag.

I'm a little worried about brawl lagging, if the animations are too in-depth (which awesome and all they would be) I can see it lagging quite a bit.

anyone agree?

 

[~rh]

Lag on Street Fighter 3 3S and CvS2 on Xbox Live pissed me off when I switched from PS2 to Xbox [due to online] so I'm sure Smash will join them and piss me off daily.

 

[180OP]

If both players have broadband and aren't using any of their bandwidth for something else while playing, I don't think there should be a problem. Games like Halo/2, NFS work just fine online. I don't see any reason why Brawl would lag.

There are 4 players max in brawl and let us just assume there is an item frenzy going on with like pokemon everywhere etc...there shouldn't be any trouble. I would see Halo 2 more prone to lag issues.

 

[GenG]

I was looking into it, and after playing mario party 8 and witnessing the instances of lag.

Mario Party 8 has online? I believe they decided not to support it.

I've played Mario Strikers Charged online and it goes smoothly, but it's also true that Mario Strikers allows more freedom compared to some "frame accuracy" moves in Melee, and MSC is restricted to regions (I can only play randomly with Europeans).

We'll have to wait and see. However, playing 1vs1 on a simple stage with no items adds to the overall stability than 4 people on a wacky and changing stage with items and Pokémon to the max.

 

[MetalMetaKnight]

i think The Wii is a bit more concentrated on Online Mechanics, so i dont hink it will lag ALOT but there will be some times where it laggs a little bit, but not alot to like make a character dissapear and appear somewhere else

 

[kithkin]

May I ask when I mentioned online? mario party lags normally not online.

and I just meant normal brawl, I just think if mario party lags theres a good chance for brawl.

also, take in mind halo runs on xbox, which is different than the wii. I'd ask you do not bring that into the equation.

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

No, I am NOT worried about lag. You shouldn't be either, that's such a lame thing to be worried about.

May I ask when I mentioned online? mario party lags normally not online.

Mario Party 8 was probably created by less experienced game designers.
There aren't many games with the level of funding that Brawl has.

and I just meant normal brawl, I just think if mario party lags theres a good chance for brawl.

No. If you think about it, Melee is a lot more graphically intense than Mario Party, yet it doesn't lag...

also, take in mind halo runs on xbox, which is different than the wii. I'd ask you do not bring that into the equation.

The Wii is 1.5 times more powerful than the XBOX 1.

 

[~rh]

i think The Wii is a bit more concentrated on Online Mechanics, so i dont hink it will lag ALOT but there will be some times where it laggs a little bit, but not alot to like make a character dissapear and appear somewhere else

That happens on Phantasy Star Universe for PS2 and it annoyed the hell out of everyone. Sega got a lot of letters and they still haven't fixed it.

Im not sure, but IIRC, Nintendo put in a slower processor in the Wii compared to the PS2. Hopefully if this problem arises HAL/Nintendo will get on it quickly contrary to Sega.

 

[180OP]

Oh, Well Mario Party 8 was a very sloppy game from what i have read and seen on IGN. But since Smash is one of Nintendos assets to sales they are going to make sure that this doesn't happen. Smash Melee lags sometimes with Items or Four player no items Coin Match on FoD.

Nintendo I believe is going to secure the normal lag issue. online lag is more of concern.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Sakurai himself said he has a very specialized team working for him, and is a much more high profiled game than Mario party 8. I doubt much development time or effort really went into Mario Party 8, definitely not on the scale that Brawl is going through. I really wouldn't worry about normal lag in brawl at all, it really isn't going to happen.

 

[Zeela12]

I'm worried about it too, but there's really nothing we can do. the most we can do is probably hope for the game not to lag, which isnt much.

 

[GenG]

Ah oh well.

It just comes to the skill of the programmers and optimization. Nothing else. A game made for a specific system shouldn't lag unless the game pushes the system to its limits or the programmers are just slackers. Geist is a GC game with far worse graphics than Metroid Prime and has very serious framerate issues, total joke.

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

Go play some movie tie-in games.
Then play an official Nintendo game like Super Smash Bros. Melee...

There's normally a pretty big difference in quality.

 

[Goldkirby]

That happens on Phantasy Star Universe for PS2 and it annoyed the hell out of everyone. Sega got a lot of letters and they still haven't fixed it.

Im not sure, but IIRC, Nintendo put in a slower processor in the Wii compared to the PS2. Hopefully if this problem arises HAL/Nintendo will get on it quickly contrary to Sega.

Wtf you talking about? Slower processor then the PS2? Do your research son. The gamecube is faster then the PS2, and the wii's internals are basically a gamecube on steriods. You do the math.

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

The Wii is 1.5 times more powerful than the XBOX 1.

 

[rabbet]

lag?? in mp8? what chu talkin bout willis..
the only lag i can think of is the diff between wiimote action and gameplay animation, which is expected ie. i swing to hit the dice mario jumps a bit later..

i dont expect there to be much lag xcept mayb when using wireless controllers.. i say maybe cus games like wii play and wii sports can keep up with rapid movements..

as for online lag it might just be a connection thing..

 

[RyokoYaksa]

Melee has multiple instances where it drops frames too, you know. There's a reason why Fountain of Dreams is banned from 2v2 play, but Yoshi's Story isn't.

 

[Mr.GAW]

I'm not worried at all. Dunno why, maybe I should be, but I see things working out fine.

 

[charizardpal]

Someone correctly mentioned that there is lag in physically swinging a wii controlled compared to pressing a button. (An instantaneous signal.)

 

[The Hypnotist]

No, I am NOT worried about lag. You shouldn't be either, that's such a lame thing to be worried about.


1. Mario Party 8 was probably created by less experienced game designers.
There aren't many games with the level of funding that Brawl has.


2. No. If you think about it, Melee is a lot more graphically intense than Mario Party, yet it doesn't lag...


3. The Wii is 1.5 times more powerful than the XBOX 1.

Usuing the word probally makes that sentence very credible.

Yeah, melee didn't lag at all... Have you ever played on Fountain Of Dreams...

That's not true, can you post up a link, and even if it were true what does "power" even mean. There are too many factors. If a game like Mario Kart DS didn't lag but Melee did it doesn't mean the game is more "powerful". Not trying to be rude but think about what you say before you say it because frankly lag is something to worry about, espically in FFAs.

 

[THK]

Lag on Street Fighter 3 3S and CvS2 on Xbox Live pissed me off when I switched from PS2 to Xbox [due to online] so I'm sure Smash will join them and piss me off daily.

BOTH those games have ****ty netcode. So lag is aplenty. DoA 4? Not much lag problems, too bad I hate DoA.

That happens on Phantasy Star Universe for PS2 and it annoyed the hell out of everyone. Sega got a lot of letters and they still haven't fixed it.

Im not sure, but IIRC, Nintendo put in a slower processor in the Wii compared to the PS2. Hopefully if this problem arises HAL/Nintendo will get on it quickly contrary to Sega.

Sega sucks at managing their online games. This is a fact.

 

[The Hypnotist]

If your not worrying about online lag at all then you are being too optimistic. Period.

 

[SSJ4Kazuki]

I'm not even talking about online lag. The game won't lag just because the graphics
got better, because the Wii could probably handle it. I don't think Sakurai would improve
the graphics THIS much if the Wii had no way of handling it, I'm sure (being a professional)
he knows that laggy game = unsatisfied customers. In fact, I think Sakurai has put in the
extra effort to REDUCE the lag, with clever use of 2D objects in the place of 3D ones.

Wii>Gamecube. Now you GOTTA understand that.
The Wii>Xbox 1 fact was a quote from the Official Nintendo Magazine UK.

OF COURSE the game will lag online, because there's always going to be a host with crap connection.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Show me the quote, and again what does power mean. Is the DS more powerful because Mario Kart doesn't lag but SSBM does lag on the GCN? And I want to make sure, you are worried about online lag, espically in FFAs.

 

[kithkin]

lag?? in mp8? what chu talkin bout willis..
the only lag i can think of is the diff between wiimote action and gameplay animation, which is expected ie. i swing to hit the dice mario jumps a bit later..

i dont expect there to be much lag xcept mayb when using wireless controllers.. i say maybe cus games like wii play and wii sports can keep up with rapid movements..

as for online lag it might just be a connection thing..

try using a duelo candy or playing the mosh game, when you go, it lags hardcore.

 

[Fanewgie]

Without really reading through the entire thread, I have two responses to the original post:

1.) If the post refers to in-game FPS lag:

Only badly designed games suffer from FPS lag. Yes, this is a shameless jab at Mario Party.

2.) If the post refers to online ping lag:

I've played SSB64 online, and it sucks. Even a 1v1 match, with two people on high-speed internet, the ping is still more than enough to completely screw up the timing of the match and makes it only half of the match it could be. Granted, this was using third party software, and I'm sure if Brawl has online that it'll be first party and therefore much, much more fluent. Beyond that, it's really only up to your connection.

Am I worried? FPS lag, no. Brawl is an admitted fan-service game, and they wouldn't release it if it had a huge FPS problem. Online lag, it's inevitable. One of the biggest reasons why I don't plan on playing online.

 

[h2ownage]

T'is the very reason i quit WoW. Well lag and the fact that I smashed my computer screen out of frustration and cut my hand.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Without really reading through the entire thread, I have two responses to the original post:

1.) If the post refers to in-game FPS lag:

Only badly designed games suffer from FPS lag. Yes, this is a shameless jab at Mario Party.

2.) If the post refers to online ping lag:

I've played SSB64 online, and it sucks. Even a 1v1 match, with two people on high-speed internet, the ping is still more than enough to completely screw up the timing of the match and makes it only half of the match it could be. Granted, this was using third party software, and I'm sure if Brawl has online that it'll be first party and therefore much, much more fluent. Beyond that, it's really only up to your connection.

Am I worried? FPS lag, no. Brawl is an admitted fan-service game, and they wouldn't release it if it had a huge FPS problem. Online lag, it's inevitable. One of the biggest reasons why I don't plan on playing online.

You make great points except for the fact that according to your logic Melee is a bad game because it lags (Fountain Of Dreams).

 

[Lemon Drop]

T'is the very reason i quit WoW. Well lag and the fact that I smashed my computer screen out of frustration and cut my hand.

I never quit WoW because of lag (never had lag), though I only played trial version and also WoW is a MMO (my first time playing one) and I hate it, takes way to long to get to the good stuff....

Also the two things that will make this game lag online:

A. To demanding on the Hardware
B. Crappy Connection

 

[The Hypnotist]

Nintendo should just do only 1 on 1 online, that way there would be less lag, I mean come on, if there's going to be a significant amount of lag it'll be in FFA's.

 

[kithkin]

Yeah I meant FPS lag in game. but I always thought mario party would be one of the better developed games. sadly I guess not.

But yeah melee lagged in FOD so its not impossible for brawl to lag. Depends on how different actual gameplay is from concept shots.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Yeah, but I think we will be seeing some type of lag.

 

[Loooooni]

Nintendo should just do only 1 on 1 online, that way there would be less lag, I mean come on, if there's going to be a significant amount of lag it'll be in FFA's.

what do u mean only 1 v 1 online that would suck it would basically cripple the online gameplay thats like saying halo 2 or some other games should only have 1 v1 because they might lag

 

[The Hypnotist]

No it's completly different, besides, lets be real...

Does nintendo really care about online?

 

[kithkin]

Hahaha, nope.

 

[HideousBeing]

I'd be more worried about de-synching than lag. For those unaware of this term (my apologies if this has already been brought up- I'm too lazy to read the entire thread) it means when two players are practically playing in different time zones, because of lag separation. One player's moves register and are displayed a second or so late on the other player's screen. Similarly to how some youtube vids have the sound offset.

 

[kithkin]

or you know, half of the ice climbers playing.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Are you effing kidding me? OF COURSE NINTENDO CARES ABOUT ONLINE.

That's probably the thing they care MOST about right now. They know Microsoft and Sony have them beat in that category right now, and they are probably scrambling to get things going.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Wrong, they care about people playing games with their friends and families. How many nintendo commericals do you see that advertise online play? Or press confrences that clearly adress it where it is tha main focus? Not many, if any.,

 

[Moon Monkey]

I'm not worried about lag i'm worried about some retart turning off the Wii when he's getting his *beep* kick in the game or it could be a random power outage who's to blame for that.