Abortion. Should It Be Illegal?

[DFat2]

Yes, I agree that an "option" to abort is best in this case. However, it all depends on the moral values of the woman, and that is something that the law can not change.

If 50 women have abortions when it is legal, then 50 babies are never born.

If 50 women have abortions when it is legal, then 50 babies are never born, and those 50 women will have to endure a trial in court, adding more stress to a woman.

If I may ask, of what "medium" of abortion are we talking here? Surely there are **** and child molestation, but what about women who just don't want babies, or teen pregnancy? Surely one of these "causes" for abortion is most prevalent?

It's either legal for every one or illegal for every one. The law cannot offer something to a certain kind of group (excluding handy caped people) and deny it to others.

Unfortunately, if they make it legal for a ***** woman to have a child aborted, they must also make it legal for a woman that just doesn't want the child.

That's the thing with abortion, some cases are for selfish/shallow reasons. But others are to save lives. And to skip the trouble of putting a mother that could die from child birth trough labor on trial every time one woman needs it, it's best to have the option legal.

If it's illegal, no woman could abort under any circumstances, be it **** case or health endangerment. It would be kind of stupid to make the law that if you were ***** you could abort because you can fake a **** case.

-"I don't know who he was but I want the abortion"-when it turns out it was her boyfriend and they didn't want to go trough with the baby so, fakedy McFakeFake.

With the morals people have now a days, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

[Aorist]

What I think a large number of you are forgetting is the physical strain and consequences upon the life of the mother from pregnancy. As she approaches the end of her pregnancy, she is unable to work at most jobs. This is something that many people cannot handle, especially if there is no paid maternity leave. The actual act of giving birth is one of the most painful things that anyone can endure. There are a variety of effects that pregnancy can have on the body, ranging from the simple, like constipation and mild dehydration, to potentially life-changing things, like pelvic girdle pain and ectopic pregnancy.

By making a woman unable to abort a fetus, you are effectively forcing them to endure these things against their will. Nobody should be made to have to go through physical pain and lasting effects, even if it could result in a baby. It's a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body.

That's true. We should definitely start killing unborn babies to help out the economy. I mean, we ARE in a recession.

Some of these arguments really make me cringe, lol.

I don't think that that was what he was trying to say. Some people can't afford a pregnancy, you know.

I think the mother would feel more guilty if she just aborted her baby, then if she gave it a chance. I can't say for sure, but I'll just say that's what the majority of women may think. Maybe.

That's irrelevant. The law shouldn't be dictated by what the majority of women want to do. It's their own choice. Even if only a small minority think it would be better to abort it than "give it a chance", they should have that option.

 

[RazeveX]

qft, Aorist.

Some really just can't see the massive negative impact a childbirth would have on a young women, or any female, for that matter.

In a way, it really isn't taking away a life; you're saving one. I'm not religious, and I don't think that it has any place in this debate, but if the choice is putting a 1 month old fetus that cant even think or feel to death or likely ruining the life of a very alive female, I think that the choice is obvious. Even if the child was born, it most likely won't be possible for it to be supported by the young mother (in the case of teenage pregnancies especially).

Also, like someone else mentioned, legally not being allowed to have a safe, professional abortion won't prevent many from trying to do it themselves, or even more dangerously, paying other untrustworthy people to do it.

I suppose if you banged your torso against the wall for a while...

 

[RDK]

After reading this thread over, I think it would be necessary to address exactly what is (or should be) considered a real human being and what is not. You guys seem to be arguing in circles over small details instead of getting to the heart of the topic.

Remember, links to evidence, scientific research, and other sources wouldn't hurt, and also help to give substance to your argument.

 

[RazeveX]

After reading this thread over, I think it would be necessary to address exactly what is (or should be) considered a real human being and what is not. You guys seem to be arguing in circles over small details instead of getting to the heart of the topic.

Remember, links to evidence, scientific research, and other sources wouldn't hurt, and also help to give substance to your argument.

Fair enough, RDK.

When Can Fetuses Feel Pain?
New Report Says Probably Not Until Final Months Of Pregnancy
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/23/health/main792338.shtml

According to Wikipedia, Thalamic brain connections, which mediate sensory input, only form around 30 weeks into pregnancy.


It is true that fetuses develop the brain fairly early; but how much do you really think is going on in there at around 8 weeks? If they have no sensory input, then their brain is simply a blank canvas left blank. It's not like they're "thinking" as we know it; there is nothing to "think" about.

Regarding the argument that fetuses moving or kicking is something significant:

Wikipedia says, under the heading "8 Weeks":

The first movements occur around this time, and those movements include sideward bendings of the head. Generally speaking, fetal movement can be classified as either elicited (e.g. reflexive) or spontaneous, and spontaneous movements may be triggered by either the spine or the brain. Whether a spontaneous movement is supraspinally determined (i.e. caused by signals from the brain) can be inferred by comparison to movements of an anencephalic fetus, which has no brain.

This evidence suggests that, although they may be preparing for human life, they are still far from we are. Why isn't a sperm cell human? Simply because of the number of chromosomes? A sperm cell can move, and seems to want to get to the egg; so why isn't it a crime every time millions of them are killed?

When you factor in that fetuses can't feel and can't think (according to my research), they seem much less human.

Hopefully this sparks some new material in this debate.

 

[yummynbeefy]

ok well i do in fact believe in a womans right to an abortion she is the one who is carrying the baby and while the baby is inside her its still a part of her body and therefore she should have the right to decide what to do with it

the thing is child birth is no laughing matter this world is overpopulated as it is and what if the woman was ***** or a condom broke? and also those who get pregnant from sleeping around its their birth right

and i think some people underestamate what a big impact having a child is on ones life when you give birth to a child you are basicly giving up your life and living for that child some people arent quite ready for that kind of commitment and some people will never be

to be totally honest i dont like what happens in abortion but for these reasons it has my support