A Lack of IP's and why the new roster will fail to excite you...

[Robert of Normandy]

Oh, hell no. Sheriff never used the Zapper. The Zapper didn't exist in 1979. You didn't need a light gun to play Sheriff. Duck Hunt Dog gets dibs on that Zapper!

Duck Hunt Dog never used the Zapper either. So by your logic, DHD shouldn't be able to use the Zapper either.

 

[8-peacock-8]

i thought that was just an urban mith

I know a guy who likes Superman 64.

 

[Arcadenik]

Duck Hunt Dog never used the Zapper either. So by your logic, DHD shouldn't be able to use the Zapper either.

I know. That's why I had the dog directing the hunter (the person playing Duck Hunt) where to shoot from the fourth wall in my Duck Hunt Dog moveset.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

i thought that was just an urban mith

What is this "mith" you speak of. I don't undertsand.

 

[3Bismyname]

What is this "mith" you speak of. I don't undertsand.

that there's people who like E.T. oh wait i see. i mispelled myth lol

 

[8-peacock-8]

I know. That's why I had the dog directing the hunter (the person playing Duck Hunt) where to shoot from the fourth wall in my Duck Hunt Dog moveset.

That sounds more like something he'd do if he was an assist trophy.

Which is very likely. (You can say the same for many characters)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

that there's people who like E.T.

He's commenting on the fact that you misspelled 'myth.'

What moveset would Sheriff have?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Wasn't the Super Scope already enough as an item though?

Sheriff could possibly have a lasso attack similar to Sheik's Side B for being a cowboy and all?

 

[Arcadenik]

What is this "mith" you speak of. I don't undertsand.

 

[3Bismyname]

the beauty of something like Sheriff is that he would pretty much have a blank slate to work with. drawing inspiration from good old westerns

 

[8-peacock-8]

Wasn't the Super Scope already enough as an item though?

Sheriff could possibly have a lasso attack similar to Sheik's Side B for being a cowboy and all?

Yep. The lasso would work as a tether recovery also.

Sheriff with a "MAN WITH NO NAME" costume.

 

[Oasis_S]

Sheriff isn't a very good idea. While it's true that adding a cowboy along with a western stage and music would add something new to the series, there's nothing really... interesting about it. No twists on the idea. He's just a cowboy doing cowboy things. And he doesn't do anything other than shoot in his games, so everything for him would be made up. You could literally pick any standard cowboy character ever and get the same experience that Sheriff offers.

He's nothing special. Nothing worth adding.

 

[3Bismyname]

Sheriff isn't a very good idea. While it's true that adding a cowboy along with a western stage and music would add something new to the series, there's nothing really... interesting about it. No twists on the idea. He's just a cowboy doing cowboy things. And he doesn't do anything other than shoot in his games, so everything for him would be made up. You could literally pick any standard cowboy character ever and get the same experience that Sheriff offers.

He's nothing special. Nothing worth adding.

but there are no other cowboy characters in smash. so who would i pick if i wanna play a cowboy?

 

[Arcadenik]

Sheriff isn't a very good idea. While it's true that adding a cowboy along with a western stage and music would add something new to the series, there's nothing really... interesting about it. No twists on the idea. He's just a cowboy doing cowboy things. And he doesn't do anything other than shoot in his games, so everything for him would be made up. You could literally pick any standard cowboy character ever and get the same experience that Sheriff offers.

He's nothing special. Nothing worth adding.

Wild Gunman suffers the same problem you just described for Sheriff. Tin Star is a sheriff who is a robot. Dillon is a sheriff who is an armadillo. Both are more interesting than Sheriff and Wild Gunman and they bring more to the table.

 

[3Bismyname]

should we maybe move this convo over to the roster discussions?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Takamaru vs Sheriff does sound kinda cool though. Or a character vs him thats an native American look alike, who doesn't excist. I guess there's SOME appeal to a cowboy character, but it isn't neccecerly I feel.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If we want a cowboy character, why not just get Dillon?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Why do we absolutely need a rootin' tootin' character?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why do we absolutely need a rootin' tootin' character?

We don't. We're just horribly off topic.

 

[3Bismyname]

cause why not? we already have swordsmen, galactic bounty hunter, spaceship pilots, and even a dinosaur. and we'll probably be getting a samurai and a boxer soon. so why not?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

cause why not? we already have swordsmen, galactic bounty hunter, spaceship pilots, and even a dinosaur. and we'll probably be getting a samurai and a boxer soon. so why not?

I'd like a purple space dragon, evil crocodile king and psychic cat first, thank you.


Attempt to get this back on topic: How many of the newer IPs actually have a shot?

I only see about three.

 

[Arcadenik]

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See? Duck Hunt Dog has more stuff to draw from his one and only game for his moveset and I made them work together. Whether this moveset is interesting or not is debatable... at least it's something. In my moveset, the thing that makes Duck Hunt Dog stand out in Smash is that he breaks the fourth wall to fight. So, he is more than just a troll character. What would make Sheriff stand out in Smash other than a poor man's Mr. Game & Watch who goes around saying "hurr durr first protagonist"?

 

[3Bismyname]

I'd like a purple space dragon, evil crocodile king and psychic cat first, thank you.


Attempt to get this back on topic: How many of the newer IPs actually have a shot?

I only see about three.

as far as newer ips i really only see Xenoblade and Mii's having a good shot. most other new ips kinda fall under the radar. but when it comes to series that have been around for a while, i lean heavily towards Little Mac.

 

[Arcadenik]

as far as newer ips i really only see Xenoblade and Mii's having a good shot. most other new ips kinda fall under the radar. but when it comes to series that have been around for a while, i lean heavily towards Little Mac.

Objectively, I can see Animal Crossing, Balloon Fight, Nazo no Murasame Jo, Punch-Out!!, Wii Sports, and Xenoblade Chronicles getting characters in SSB4.

Personally, I want Duck Hunt, Golden Sun, Legendary Starfy, and Mole Mania getting characters.

 

[3Bismyname]

well if we are including retro then yeah i can agree that Balloon Fight and Nazo no Murasame Jo have probably the best shots of any retros

personally i would want Dillon, Dino, and a Wars series character. oh and Lip

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As far as new IP's that have a shot, anything that is obscure or hasn't had a recent game isn't most likely not going to get in.

Now by recent, I mean several years, to the point where most people forget about them, so Golden Sun won't fall under this category.

I see Xenoblade, Golden Sun, Punch-Out, and a few others. But there are many that people bring up that in all reality won't make the cut. But that's for some other time and I don't want to start a flame war.

 

[TheTTimeLives]

This topic blew up from 30+ posts to over 100 in one day. Sheesh.

If a retro gets in it will probably be Balloon Fighter or something Takamaru (more likely Balloon Fighter) since they dug them up for Nintendo Land.

Also probably something Xenoblade, though not Shulk. Probably that guy from that new game X (pretty much Xenoblade or teasing Xenoblade 2) who has the big transforming mobile suit (final smash?)

Otherwise, I honestly see the spots going to Ridley, Mewtwo, an FE character, the Wonderful 101 (which I'm surprised no one has looked at yet), Megaman and perhaps another third party.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

This topic blew up from 30+ posts to over 100 in one day. Sheesh.

If a retro gets in it will probably be Balloon Fighter or something Takamaru (more likely Balloon Fighter) since they dug them up for Nintendo Land.

Also probably something Xenoblade, though not Shulk. Probably that guy from that new game X (pretty much Xenoblade or teasing Xenoblade 2) who has the big transforming mobile suit (final smash?)

Otherwise, I honestly see the spots going to Ridley, Mewtwo, an FE character, the Wonderful 101 (which I'm surprised no one has looked at yet), Megaman and perhaps another third party.

I think the new Xenoblade character will replace Shulk if the game comes out accordingly with Smash Bros. The only thing truly going against Balloon Fighter is the fact that Sakurai already decided against him in a previous game. I don't know that Nintendo would want to add 3 third party characters, especially after Sakurai mentioned not adding characters willy nilly. (this is why I believe Snake and Sonic will stay.)

The rest I agree with though.

 

[8-peacock-8]

This topic blew up from 30+ posts to over 100 in one day. Sheesh.

If a retro gets in it will probably be Balloon Fighter or something Takamaru (more likely Balloon Fighter) since they dug them up for Nintendo Land.

Also probably something Xenoblade, though not Shulk. Probably that guy from that new game X (pretty much Xenoblade or teasing Xenoblade 2) who has the big transforming mobile suit (final smash?)

Otherwise, I honestly see the spots going to Ridley, Mewtwo, an FE character, the Wonderful 101 (which I'm surprised no one has looked at yet), Megaman and perhaps another third party.

I made a thread for the Wonderful 101. lol

 

[N3ON]

As for playable IPs new to Smash, I personally see (in order of likelihood IMO) Punch-Out, Xenoblade, Golden Sun, Starfy, and Sin & Punishment as possibilities. Advance Wars definitely merits a character, but I doubt they get one. If they had gotten a game between Brawl and now, I'd have also included Custom Robo. Any other IP is probably best off as an AT or trophy. (Not counting AC ofc)

For the retros, I think Takamaru, Balloon Fighter, and Mach Rider are the frontrunners (with Takamaru ahead by quite a lot), though many other retros could definitely work. However Takamaru and Mach Rider would probably be best for a "revival" in the same vein as Pit. Balloon Fighter just seems to have a decent amount of popularity (for a retro) and potential, as well as the fact that Nintendo seems keen to emphasize that IP above other retro ones recently.

As for the original topic though, I'd say Nintendo still has enough notable unrepresented series to use before relying on third-party overindulgence, which I doubt Sakurai would ever condone anyway. Smash Bros is primarily Nintendo, and even with the addition of third-parties, Nintendo will always come first in Smash. I'm not saying this as a loyalist or a fangirl, I'm just saying it because it's the truth, even without Sakurai (who - even if he says differently - will most likely always choose to develop Smash over someone else doing it) Nintendo won't condone loading up their game with characters they have no control of. Nintendo x some other company might happen one day, but Smash isn't it.

Also, obtaining the rights to Banjo would hardly be as easy as rights to other third-parties (as Banjo isn't a third-party character).

Oh, hell no. Sheriff never used the Zapper. The Zapper didn't exist in 1979. You didn't need a light gun to play Sheriff. Duck Hunt Dog gets dibs on that Zapper!

The NES light gun might not have existed until the eighties, but Nintendo did have a light gun out since at least the early seventies that worked with, believe it or not, a sheriff-looking character (the Custom Gunman). Considering, if he was added, Sheriff would be a throwback to Nintendo's early days (and would be the oldest character included), I could definitely see Sakurai making a reference to the Custom Gunman (actually one of Nintendo's more well-known toys) in Sheriff's moveset. Either way, while Sheriff himself never used a light gun, it wouldn't be totally without precedent and context if he had a Zapper.

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Sheriff isn't a very good idea. While it's true that adding a cowboy along with a western stage and music would add something new to the series, there's nothing really... interesting about it. No twists on the idea. He's just a cowboy doing cowboy things. And he doesn't do anything other than shoot in his games, so everything for him would be made up. You could literally pick any standard cowboy character ever and get the same experience that Sheriff offers.

He's nothing special. Nothing worth adding.

I actually agree with this. While the character definitely merits inclusion as the token "historical rep", I honestly have no interest in Sheriff, to me he doesn't seem very exciting. Just my opinion though, I'm sure others disagree, and hypothetically Sakurai could make him a great character like the others, I just don't think he'd be as interesting as G&W or ROB.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I actually don't care about the Sheriff. (I wouldn't care if he got in either since he earned he deserves it) I just enjoy arguing with people about inclusions because it's fun.

 

[TheCreator]

I really think that Dillon has a pretty good shot. He's a cool looking western character. HE certainly would bring something new to the table, obviously, but the thing is. He is a COOL character. That's certainly something that could get him in. Like people who aren't familiar with him see him and say "Idk who that is but he looks cool." and that's a character that would go well into smash, obviously. Not only these things, but I believe that Nintendo has bigger plans for him. So this would be a bit of a foreshadowing as well. I just think that what kind of character he is, boosts his chances if that's understandable.

 

[3Bismyname]

@TheCreator
so let me get this straight, you think Dillon is cool? lol

 

[TheCreator]

He's SUPPOSED to be a silent badass. Have you played the game?

 

[BirthNote]

As long as K Rool, Dixie, Little Mac, Bowser Jr, Mega Man, Ridley, Rayman, or Sukapon are playable, the roster will not fail to excite me.

 

[Kink-Link5]

You had a reason to be excited in the first place? Well at least you'll be less disappointed in the end result by realizing this now.

A lot of things fail to excite me lately

Honestly. Excitement is overrated and deters from the enjoyment of things as they are bluntly. Good for business though. There are enough people that fall for hype that it works to build up excitement regarding sales and ignoring quality.

 

[Frostwraith]

The lack of characters from previously unrepresented franchises doesn't imply the lack of excitement from the fans who await this game.

If I see some of my favorite characters from Zelda, Fire Emblem or Kid Icarus earning the spot in the roster, I will be hyped. And the feeling of excitement is highly subjective and the same character will definitely cause different reactions from different people.

Therefore, the argument defended in the OP is null and void.

 

[TheCreator]

Everyone already knew the argument was void. Let's just use this thread to discuss new series reps.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well I see Xenoblade, Punch Out!!, Golden Sun, MMC and Sin and Punishment as possibilities.

With Xenoblade and Punch Out!! as the most likely.