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A few things I need to ask you guys about Marth.

Saltix

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I don't MAIN Marth. nor 2nd. nor 3rd. I used to main him, and I do however still play him enough to know whats up, and I have a few questions for you Marth mainers.

-Is it me, or is there a lack of Utilt juggling? I never see ANY Marths do it, and although this isn't Melee, it still works, it puts them in the air, and that is probably where you're going to want them.

-I was browsing the forums today and I saw that you can Jump shine with Fox. You can also do this with Counter and Dolphin Slash! Idk about DB, but it looks like you get more distance.
Counter's distance is quite negligible, about that of a Stutter step, or even less. Dolphin Slash is also quite negligible, BUT it is to be used as a tactic from time to time.

-I have NEVER seen this done, and I've done this for quite a while now, so I'm claiming it ;)
Anyways, I tend to use this as an approach. It works WONDERS on BF.

DB1->Fair
or DB1->Uair


DB1->Uair also works, but I tend to never do it. The reason I substitute Fair or Uair is because of the DB. It stabilizes your momentum, as well as gives you vertical distance, so you could potentially keep from moving INTO an attack. The hitstun from DB1 is enough to ensure a hit from Fair and Uair, and most of the time they are tippered.

Tippered Fairs and Uairs are kill moves, are they not? DB1 isn't a powerful move in terms of knockback, so it sets up 2 of your kill moves.

Anyways, Could someone answer the question about the Utit juggling? It's appreciated. :)
 

Punishment Divine

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You may know "what's up" about Marth in your group of friends, but you certainly don't know what's up around here. People utilt juggle all the time, there's even a topic on juggling around here somewhere, and we are well aware of the moves capabilities. You cannot, however, just stand there and utilt, you must mix it up with uair, usmash, and other moves. It's best used as a kill move, regardless.

DB1 to ANYTHING is not a legitimate combo. They are simply mindgames and are easily escaped if you use it too much in a match. Not to mention we've had countless people try to tell us about these "combos".

As for jump-whatever, I can't really tell what you're talking about, but it doesn't seem very useful from what I can tell.
 

Thunder Of Zeus

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okay, I think you're trying to get too complicated with your wording on the first question but here's what I would think is the correct interpretation:
Can down b help you recover? not really.
Can dancing blade help you recover? it can turn you around, aside from that it got nurfed in transition to brawl
Neutral B however CAN help you recover from high and far distances but it will often times get you killed.
 

Saltix

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okay, I think you're trying to get too complicated with your wording on the first question but here's what I would think is the correct interpretation:
Can down b help you recover? not really.
Can dancing blade help you recover? it can turn you around, aside from that it got nurfed in transition to brawl
Neutral B however CAN help you recover from high and far distances but it will often times get you killed.
I'm not talking about recovery at ALL.
The 1st question is about Utilit juggling -__-
dumb thread


*goes back to playing clannad visual novel
You'd think someone of your stature and reputation would be a little more composed and less sarcastic. But whatever, thats your problem, not mine.
db to fair is not a combo...
I NEVER said it was a combo. It's a setup if ANYTHING.
OcTIx please go back to playing your furrier Maylay Marth.

<3
NO U.
But seriously VietG, are you going to Waba today? I'm gonna show you some Marth stuff, but in return you must show me how do to the DS-Ledge grab LOL

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You guys are harsh. I watch videos of Marth players all the time, and I never see Utilt juggling. And I'm not stupid enough to just stand there and Utilt spam. I know when to Uair, Usmash, etc.

And for the guy who didn't know what I'm talking about, Why don't you try it out for yourself? Look up how to jumpshine, and apply it to Dolphin slash. I admit, it may not seem useful, but I posted it because I figured the Marth players might actually be able to do something with it. And your use of the word "mindgames" hurt me a little.
 

Pr0phetic

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Maybe its because certain characters can be juggled, while others can't. On BF, you'll see how bunch of utilization of UTilt, if they are playing smart. DB1 --> Aerial or any move is a nice mixup, however bad if you get predicted. On, on platfors you can use aerials to hit through, or even cancel your landing lag, which is better, especially on BF.
 

TLMarth

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Guys stop flaming T_T I'm scared.

So yeah, spamming things always sucks.
I don't think fair is one of the more powerful killers

When you say 'hitstun from db... from fair' you imply a combo
 

Saltix

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Maybe its because certain characters can be juggled, while others can't. On BF, you'll see how bunch of utilization of UTilt, if they are playing smart. DB1 --> Aerial or any move is a nice mixup, however bad if you get predicted. On, on platfors you can use aerials to hit through, or even cancel your landing lag, which is better, especially on BF.
I like you. You seem to understand what I'm talking about. I believe it can be spaced so you don't get punished for it afterwards. Atleast thats the way it's been for me. That's why I said it works wonders on BF.

In case I wasn't clear, The DB should be in the air.
So it's Aerial DB1->Fair or Uair

You don't know me at all do you? XD
Nope, not at all.
LOL
 

BacklashMarth

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About using DB -> Fair, Uair, that mixup has already been around since about 3 months after brawl came out (however far be it from me to stop you from making your name synonymous with a VERY situational techniqe that has low utility). As it has already been stated this is only useful as a mixup and can easily be punished/escaped. As for your juggling/utilt question , the reason you dont see many marths using this is because utilt is only useful in combination with uair. You need to bait an airdodge to even hope to land utilt and thats where uair comes in. Utilt is better used as a kill move IMO. Also, I reccomend watching some marth vs snake videos where both players actually know what they are doing. Chances are you will see te utilt thing you want to see.
 

Saltix

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About using DB -> Fair, Uair, that mixup has already been around since about 3 months after brawl came out (however far be it from me to stop you from making your name synonymous with a VERY situational techniqe that has low utility). As it has already been stated this is only useful as a mixup and can easily be punished/escaped. As for your juggling/utilt question , the reason you dont see many marths using this is because utilt is only useful in combination with uair. You need to bait an airdodge to even hope to land utilt and thats where uair comes in. Utilt is better used as a kill move IMO. Also, I reccomend watching some marth vs snake videos where both players actually know what they are doing. Chances are you will see te utilt thing you want to see.
Aw. Old and easily punished :/
The way you put it makes me want to disregard total knowledge of it haha.

Couldn't you use Uthrow as a set up for Utilt juggling?
And I'll look into the Marth vs Snake matches.
 

VietGeek

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Aw. Old and easily punished :/
The way you put it makes me want to disregard total knowledge of it haha.

Couldn't you use Uthrow as a set up for Utilt juggling?
And I'll look into the Marth vs Snake matches.
Uthrow sends people to high up now and they can airdodge out of it and stuff. You can use it to put people like Snake in a semi-bad position but that's it really.

In Melee it was great because we had gravity among other things.

Feardragon doesn't want to mess with OcTIx. He plays LUCARIO.
 

AzNsAnTaGiN

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Tippered Fairs and Uairs are kill moves, are they not?
If you're using Fairs to space, they'll inevitably become pretty stale. If you're just spamming Uairs to juggle (again, a bad idea), that'll stale pretty easily too. Better kill moves would be a DS OoS (If THAT's unstaled), ...
...and a tipper Fsmash if you can get that.
 

Saltix

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I'm going to upload a video of my Marth for you guys.
VietG had better watch out
:3
 
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