Social 7th Heaven - Cloud Social Thread

[Buckstrom]

Anyone else notice that Cloud is basically an Ike semi-clone? Aerials are nearly the exact same, jab and dash attack are very similar, dtilt starts combos, utilt starts juggles...

Cloud trades in that meh counter for a brand new Limit gimmick, and Cross Slash is reminiscent of Dancing Blade. He gets a shiny new projectile as well, and technically he has chargeable kill specials. He can wall jump and has good aerial mobility for having no Quick Draw (but he can stall very well with Blade Beam and Cross Slash for his recovery), and his up B is basically a less challenging Aether. There's no spinning sword but you still challenge edgeguards somewhat, and to compensate it's also a tool for snapping on the edge if you're closer to it.

We're basically Ike 2.0. It's like a $5.99 promotion to Lord. Do we have to wear a silly hat now? (I guess we have the hair to make up for that...)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Anyone else notice that Cloud is basically an Ike semi-clone? Aerials are nearly the exact same, jab and dash attack are very similar, dtilt starts combos, utilt starts juggles...

Cloud trades in that meh counter for a brand new Limit gimmick, and Cross Slash is reminiscent of Dancing Blade. He gets a shiny new projectile as well, and technically he has chargeable kill specials. He can wall jump and has good aerial mobility for having no Quick Draw (but he can stall very well with Blade Beam and Cross Slash for his recovery), and his up B is basically a less challenging Aether. There's no spinning sword but you still challenge edgeguards somewhat, and to compensate it's also a tool for snapping on the edge if you're closer to it.

We're basically Ike 2.0. It's like a $5.99 promotion to Lord. Do we have to wear a silly hat now? (I guess we have the hair to make up for that...)

Don't even bother
Uair and Dair are different, combos starting with Dtilt or Utilt have nothing to do with being a semiclone or not, Ike's got a pretty good counter, Ike doesn't have Dancing Blade. Cloud is NOTHING like Ike. As an Ike main, I can clearly feel a huge difference

 

[Metallinatus]

Anyone else notice that Cloud is basically an Ike semi-clone? Aerials are nearly the exact same, jab and dash attack are very similar, dtilt starts combos, utilt starts juggles...

Cloud trades in that meh counter for a brand new Limit gimmick, and Cross Slash is reminiscent of Dancing Blade. He gets a shiny new projectile as well, and technically he has chargeable kill specials. He can wall jump and has good aerial mobility for having no Quick Draw (but he can stall very well with Blade Beam and Cross Slash for his recovery), and his up B is basically a less challenging Aether. There's no spinning sword but you still challenge edgeguards somewhat, and to compensate it's also a tool for snapping on the edge if you're closer to it.

We're basically Ike 2.0. It's like a $5.99 promotion to Lord. Do we have to wear a silly hat now? (I guess we have the hair to make up for that...)

Seriously, you have no idea of what you're saying....
Lucario and Greninja are also Mewtwo "semi" clones, am I right? Am I right?

 

[Tino]

Did someone really just brought up the "semi-clone" baloney?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Guys, almost everyone is a Diddy semiclone, as they have Dthrow to Uair

 

[Moorthen]

Kirby is a Fox clone.

 

[Tino]

Cloud is a Mega Man clone cuz he has the same down tilt as Mega Man's.

 

[Metallinatus]

Ok, I think you people are beating the dead horse now xD

But you see how everybody is a Mario clone? They all can use Up B to recover.... <.<

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ok, I think you people are beating the dead horse now xD

But you see how everybody is a Mario clone? They all can use Up B to recover.... <.<

Jigglypuff confirmed only unique character

 

[Metallinatus]

Jigglypuff confirmed only unique character

I knew I was forgetting about someone xD
Plz Sakurwhy no moar clonixxx....

 

[JesseMcCloud]

I played some more Final Fantasy VII.

Spoiler

After getting the buggy, I did what my friend recommended and get some Enemy Skills. The suggested ones were White Wind, Big Guard, Aqualung, and Trine. I got the first three, but Trine had to wait until later.
Cosmo Canyon wasn't too bad, but that spider enemy was particularly powerful. I also enjoyed the end of the dungeon where Red XIII met his father... it was a pretty sad scene.
I then went to Nibelheim, recruited Vincent, and then went and fought the Materia Keeper and got Trine from him. I am going to Rocket Town next.

I have to say... I am confused as to why Nibelheim just disregarded the events from a few years ago... will I find out why? It was a pretty big event...

Oh, yes. Most definitely.

 

[-m0]

Anyone else notice that Cloud is basically an Ike semi-clone? Aerials are nearly the exact same, jab and dash attack are very similar, dtilt starts combos, utilt starts juggles...

Cloud trades in that meh counter for a brand new Limit gimmick, and Cross Slash is reminiscent of Dancing Blade. He gets a shiny new projectile as well, and technically he has chargeable kill specials. He can wall jump and has good aerial mobility for having no Quick Draw (but he can stall very well with Blade Beam and Cross Slash for his recovery), and his up B is basically a less challenging Aether. There's no spinning sword but you still challenge edgeguards somewhat, and to compensate it's also a tool for snapping on the edge if you're closer to it.

We're basically Ike 2.0. It's like a $5.99 promotion to Lord. Do we have to wear a silly hat now? (I guess we have the hair to make up for that...)

Oh my god. You have caused a huge revelation within me. I'm not gonna play Cloud anymore, guys. Why? Because he's just an Ike clone. You know why? Cause his upb goes up and then it goes down! OMG!!11 Cloud Ike clone confirmed.

lol jokes

sorry if this came off harsh, I just had to say that

 

[MarvelFromSmash]

Hey guys, I need you guys to test out these notes I did. I main Cloud.
.Down Tilt is safe on shield
.Ledge Jump Dair
.Uair - Fair 20-70%
-20-30% - Short Hop
-40-50% - Full Hop
-60-70% - Full Hop - Double Jump
.Uair - Up Tilt 0-30%
.Uair - Nair 10-80%
.Uair - Bair 0-20% (Not True)
.Uair - Bair (True)
-21-45% - Short Hop
-46-57% - Full Hop
-58-81% - Double Jump
.Uair - Jab x3 0%
.Uair - Uair 20-90%
.Uair - Uair at 90% is a kill confirm
.Uair - Dair
-0-15% Short Hop
-20-40% Full Hop/Double Jump
~ Marvel

 

[-m0]

Hey guys, I need you guys to test out these notes I did. I main Cloud.
.Down Tilt is safe on shield
.Ledge Jump Dair
.Uair - Fair 20-70%
-20-30% - Short Hop
-40-50% - Full Hop
-60-70% - Full Hop - Double Jump
.Uair - Up Tilt 0-30%
.Uair - Nair 10-80%
.Uair - Bair 0-20% (Not True)
.Uair - Bair (True)
-21-45% - Short Hop
-46-57% - Full Hop
-58-81% - Double Jump
.Uair - Jab x3 0%
.Uair - Uair 20-90%
.Uair - Uair at 90% is a kill confirm
.Uair - Dair
-0-15% Short Hop
-20-40% Full Hop/Double Jump
~ Marvel

Dtilt is not safe on shield. Other than that, I pretty much agree with this. It's kind of hard to understand though. Could you elaborate? Also, welcome to the cloud boards!

 

[MarvelFromSmash]

Dtilt is not safe on shield. Other than that, I pretty much agree with this. It's kind of hard to understand though. Could you elaborate? Also, welcome to the cloud boards!

Yeah, I know it isn't safe power shielded. But, If you get close to them, you can down tilt, and if they don't power shield, you're safe

 

[-m0]

Yeah, I know it isn't safe power shielded. But, If you get close to them, you can down tilt, and if they don't power shield, you're safe

idk. I love Cloud's dtilt, and I use it a lot, and there have been times when I've been right on top of somebody and dtilted, and they could just run up and grab me after shield.

Has anybody else been using FH AC dair? I think it's great, it's pretty safe and the descending sourspot can even combo into stuff like Blade Beam, nair, and CS.

 

[ArcanaXIII]

When you've played Cloud a million times in a row and going back to your main feels super awkward.

 

[-m0]

When you've played Cloud a million times in a row and going back to your main feels super awkward.

Totally! I went back to Dark Pit for a game or two after playing mono cloud for like a week, and I kept doing Orbitars randomly!

 

[SonicvMario]

When you've played Cloud a million times in a row and going back to your main feels super awkward.

Going back to Roy felt pretty easy for me but Sonic needs to be given a sword

 

[Buckstrom]

Welp, didn't realize that semi-clone is a Kappa-static word to throw around here. Sorry :/

 

[Tito Maas]

Totally! I went back to Dark Pit for a game or two after playing mono cloud for like a week, and I kept doing Orbitars randomly!

Actually I haven't had much trouble going to Dark Pit. That first game I hate the random GO's but I actually think Cloud has improved my DP somehow

 

[~Skelly~]

I haven't had many issues with my other characters after using Cloud, but my is a little rusty since I haven't played with friends in awhile.

 

[Moorthen]

Thanks to Cloud, I've found myself Up-throwing with Marth when the opponent is no range of dying at that percent. Also, using counter with Ike thinking I'm gonna charge my Limit.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler: Final Fantasy VII

I recruited Cid and listened to his story. Pretty sad stuff... I'm glad that he made that decision, however. A dream might be dead, but at least a life isn't lost.

I then handled Yuffie's sidequest, or a large majority of it. Getting there was harder than the boss of Wutai; there were some bats with Lightning that did a ton of damage and I had no quick way of finishing them off.
I had a mixed feeling towards Yuffie's story. On one hand, I did feel sympathetic... on the other hand, she told another trick that got me further away from my Materia.

Well, at least I got it back and I went back to the Golden Saucer. The Battle Arena is tough... like really tough. I need to be prepared for it so that I can get Omnislash. So, who did Cloud date? Aerith. Nothing wrong with that except... you know... it feels more sad when you find out what happens later.
Well... at least I made Cloud kiss a dragon.

Also, Cait Sith is just annoying.

And with that, I am almost done with Disk 1.

When you've played Cloud a million times in a row and going back to your main feels super awkward.

I kinda know that feel. Playing as Cloud often and going back to Luigi is honestly weird. I think I've gotten used to it, though.

 

[-m0]

I just had a huge sadness attack when I realized Wolf won't be in Smash 4. I never played Brawl seriously (read: when I didn't know s**t about the game and I thought the A button didn't do anything lmao) and I can't really dig PM. Brawl Minus Wolf was OK, but he felt incomplete to me. Now going through old posts on the mewtwo social thread saying Wolf was a shoo-in makes me sad. I would have loved in Smash 4. I even thought it would be cool if he had Brawl sound effects as a "gimmick". Wolf was the only character I felt like Brawl SFX fitted with.

 

[~Skelly~]

I just had a huge sadness attack when I realized Wolf won't be in Smash 4. I never played Brawl seriously (read: when I didn't know s**t about the game and I thought the A button didn't do anything lmao) and I can't really dig PM. Brawl Minus Wolf was OK, but he felt incomplete to me. Now going through old posts on the mewtwo social thread saying Wolf was a shoo-in makes me sad. I would have loved in Smash 4. I even thought it would be cool if he had Brawl sound effects as a "gimmick". Wolf was the only character I felt like Brawl SFX fitted with.

Look on the brightside though, we got the likes of Robin, Greninja, Palutena and many more in this game; not to mention big names like Pac-Man, Megaman, Sonic, Ryu, our very own Cloud Strife, and soon, Bayonetta are in it as well.

Sure, it does feel empty that Wolf, or even the Ice Climbers aren't in the game, but when you have characters like those mentioned above, I think it was a good trade.

 

[Metallinatus]

I think no one posted this already.... but it looks like Cloud is already taking noticeable tournaments.

 

[Kuraudo]

It's a big win for sure. Nairo seemed to be playing very sloppy as Zero Suit Samus, but Cloud was getting his ass HANDED to him by Dark Pit. Not sure if that's intentional or not ala black angel winged being.

I'm excited to see Cloud doing so well and hope I can do some similar work in the future.

 

[Metallinatus]

It's a big win for sure. Nairo seemed to be playing very sloppy as Zero Suit Samus, but Cloud was getting his *** HANDED to him by Dark Pit. Not sure if that's intentional or not ala black angel winged being.

I'm excited to see Cloud doing so well and hope I can do some similar work in the future.

Yeah, his ZSS was pretty rusty and he switched to her just to get mu information for bigger events probably.... but still, Tweek beat many not-rusty characters to get in the Grand Finals.... I don't know if he was using Cloud all along, though.

 

[Kuraudo]

Yeah, his ZSS was pretty rusty and he switched to her just to get mu information for bigger events probably.... but still, Tweek beat many not-rusty characters to get in the Grand Finals.... I don't know if he was using Cloud all along, though.

Tweek was supposedly using Cloud for the entirety of the event, which is pretty awesome.

 

[~Skelly~]

Okay, serious question. I feel that this may have already been discussed, but since we have at least one more balance patch coming out, do you think Cloud might get buffs, nerfs, or remain unchanged the next patch?

 

[JesseMcCloud]

When you've played Cloud a million times in a row and going back to your main feels super awkward.

I know! I hit B to throw out a projectile:
Captain Falcon: "Falcon..."
Me: "Oh crap."
Announcer: "Game!"

 

[Rinku リンク]

Okay, serious question. I feel that this may have already been discussed, but since we have at least one more balance patch coming out, do you think Cloud might get buffs, nerfs, or remain unchanged the next patch?

If anything I'm hoping they fix his recovery to at least ledge snap. Maybe tone down the knock back of his F-smash as well but honestly considering it's one of his primary kill moves I wouldn't be too upset if they left it as is.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Okay, serious question. I feel that this may have already been discussed, but since we have at least one more balance patch coming out, do you think Cloud might get buffs, nerfs, or remain unchanged the next patch?

I feel like they might patch the couple of things that aren't linking as they're intended, like how Bowser and a few others can jump out of Cross Slash, or how the first hit of DSmash doesn't link into the second properly.
Also, I'd like them to buff how fast Finishing Touch comes out.

 

[~Skelly~]

I hope they do give him a ledgesnap. Aside from that though, the only thing I can see right now that could possibly happen is a nerf (small preferably, should it happen) to his damage output.

I WOULD like to see his throws get buffed in the next patch, but who knows.


Edit: Hey, my 1000th post!

 

[Moorthen]

I bet Cloud will be pretty much untouched in the patch.

 

[Tino]

He's fine as it is to me, although I agree that they should work on his throws.

 

[Hanku Hirru]

If anyone wants to play tonight, I'll be online. I'm traveling tomorrow and intend to sleep through the plane ride, so I intend to stay up late and tire myself out.

Message me, if you're interested.

 

[TTTTTsd]

This character is perfectly fine as is, you don't want his recovery ledge-snapping at all, trust me. He already has two different ways to stall before he double jumps and an important piece of advice when recovering with this character that I will give is that you don't always have to ride DIRECTLY below the ledge, you have a very wide horizontal snapbox at the end of Up+B. Abuse it. Abuse your dumb FAF on aerials, abuse your two stalls, you'll find the gimps to happen MUCH, MUCH less. All of this character's throws net you mostly solid positioning and if they were any better I think it would also be incredibly unfair because he'd lack any form of counterplay based on his kit. I think this character is incredibly good and most certainly 100% viable, his results right now have already shown me this. His weaknesses, while they are weaknesses, I don't believe are gigantic enough to greatly restrict this character.

That being said, things I'd like: DSmash not being techable, maybe improve the connection ratio of Cross Slash a bit (in turn the damage could probably be adjusted, 19% is a lot off of a frame ten long range move)

 

[JesseMcCloud]

DSmash not being techable, maybe improve the connection ratio of Cross Slash a bit (in turn the damage could probably be adjusted, 19% is a lot off of a frame ten long range move)

This. Although I don't think a move should be nerfed in exchange to have it work as intended.
Off topic, anyone else struggle in the Link MU?