Official 4BR Tier List v2.0 - Competitive Impressions

[The-Technique]

WHAT. DID. I. SAY.

I ****ing knew it all along.

Brood (Duck Hunt) beat Zero 2-1

 

[Frihetsanka]

WHAT. DID. I. SAY.

I ****ing knew it all along.

Brood (Duck Hunt) beat Zero 2-1

"How Good is Duck Hunt?"-video incoming?

 

[outfoxd]

If he's just considered a solid mid tier i feel it would make sense because of his rough results outside the big 3 DHes.

 

[Pazzo.]

Well, looks like it's Duck Hunt's time to get hyped.

Let's hope it's not just hype, like Dr. Mario.

Anyone have a recording of the set?

 

[Peppermint1201]

Raffi-X just went last hit with MKLeo, and very well could've won if he hadn't gotten shieldbroken/dropped setups. I may have to rethink my own character a bit

 

[The-Technique]

Elegant just gave Salem the stare. 2-0 victory

 

[Peppermint1201]

ignore this post; was low quality

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Sooooo DHD is going to be the overhyped flavour of this month, due to one managing to make top 32 due to Zero SDing twice. With loads of people going "z0mg I always knew he was mid tier" while ignoring the fact that 2/3 DHDs didn't get particularly far and the last one got extreme luck on their side.

Lovely

 

[Megamang]

His setups are cool, and characters with tons of hitboxes all over still have optimization to do, it isnt unreasonable to think theyll keep improving.


For example, Megaman can FH Zdrop MB, into fastfall ledge trump. Hit the trump and bair kills, they stand up or GUA, blade knocks them into bair.


DHD is a better flavor of the month than Bowser, is what im getting at

 

[Dre89]

Whilst DHD is in the spotlight, who do you guys think are best frame-trappers in the game? Or at least whose metas revolve around it the most.

 

[ILOVESMASH]

Whilst DHD is in the spotlight, who do you guys think are best frame-trappers in the game? Or at least whose metas revolve around it the most.

Roy and Fox, I feel, are really good at frame trapping thanks to their low FAF grounded moves and low landing / autocancels as well as their high grounded speed.

 

[blackghost]

Elegant just gave Salem the stare. 2-0 victory

pretty safe to call that a losing mu. idk what bayo is supposed to do. cant escape luigi combs, luigi punishes landing lag hard with up b, and nair escapes combos, and lluigi can edgaurd bayo which is few in company.

 

[Aaron1997]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZJtvnNwHs8bKluGlmVdjEmKVYcWB18Dbr1Kw03BUXFs/edit

Croi (Best Duck Hunt in Canada) made this. Just thought I would share this

 

[Das Koopa]

reddit blowing up over dlcpocalypse even though Zack is the only Bayo that consistently did well and Cloud isn't doing any better than he generally does

please help me

 

[SaltyKracka]

reddit blowing up over dlcpocalypse even though Zack is the only Bayo that consistently did well and Cloud isn't doing any better than he generally does

please help me

GTFO Reddit. Forever.

You have been helped.

 

[Aaron1997]

Despite all the Low tier upsets I think we can all agree that are the most Anti-Mid/Low characters in the game right now. Even with some of these guys (Pac and DH) having a good/Amazing preformace at G4. Seem to be the ultimate Gatekeepers for Mid-Low tiers

All the DH (except for Raito) where either Send to losers or eliminated by .

Also Bayo's seem to get more lamer every tourney. ZeRo vs Salem and Dabuz vs Komo where disgusting.

 

[Das Koopa]

So, I retain the viewpoint that You3 is the best Duck Hunt. He had a fantastic overseas performance overall, getting 2nd/3rd at the pre-G4 weeklies, including a handy set win on Ito, and played very closely with MKLeo. Brood has the set wins, but those were largely on the back of being incredibly lucky against both ZeRo and Zinoto with the former SDing and the latter hitting the platform.

Both got run over by Bayonetta, though. Child & 9B > Brood and Salem beat You3. Raito got beat by Raffi-X and You3, matching his EVO record (49th).

While nothing happened that strikes me as meta-defining, I'd say it put Duck Hunt comfortably in lower-mid.

 

[FeelMeUp]

Getting 9th by losing to the 2 best players in the world must be the worst feeling a player can experience.

 

[Fenny]

G4 has me all up in my feelings in general

Never seen so many players be that discouraged all at once like that

It's like a tourney of watching nothing but Nietono lose

 

[Davis-Lightheart]

This tournament shows once and for all that DH is just a solid character when it comes to his overall kit. If only a few of his moves just packed more of a punch to seal the deal he may be at most low high tier or high mid.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So, I retain the viewpoint that You3 is the best Duck Hunt.

You3 > Brood > Raito has been the established ranking order for japanese Duck Hunt players for quite a while now so you're certainly not alone with your viewpoint.

 

[blackghost]

Despite all the Low tier upsets I think we can all agree that are the most Anti-Mid/Low characters in the game right now. Even with some of these guys (Pac and DH) having a good/Amazing preformace at G4. Seem to be the ultimate Gatekeepers for Mid-Low tiers

All the DH (except for Raito) where either Send to losers or eliminated by .

Also Bayo's seem to get more lamer every tourney. ZeRo vs Salem and Dabuz vs Komo where disgusting.

dabuz just plays that way and salem is trying to adjust his playstyle as his results havent been what they used to be lately. but the most aggro bayo (zach) did the best today. just shows a year later shes still practically a blank slate. no one truly knows for certain what the best way to play her is.
bayo snd cloud are really the guards to viability both as a player and a character.

 

[TDK]

Can we talk about Mega Man? I feel like it's been forever since Kameme made an international top 8. While he does do well in Japan, I can't figure out why he got 2nd and EVO and then hasn't top 8'ed again (Just checked) until Smashdown world. Outside of that, that's really it. Did Mega Man get figured out, or was it the surprise factor that pushed Kameme to the silver medal?

Additionally, while there definitely are other Megas, none of them get exceptional results either. ScAtt isn't exactly a picture of consistency and the other megas haven't done anything notable.

 

[Vyrnx]

There is no ranking of the DH players. They all play differently and achieve similar levels of results. In my experience, if you ask DH players who the best DH player is, they will always say "all three".

 

[SaltyKracka]

Can we talk about Mega Man? I feel like it's been forever since Kameme made an international top 8. While he does do well in Japan, I can't figure out why he got 2nd and EVO and then hasn't top 8'ed again (Just checked) until Smashdown world. Outside of that, that's really it. Did Mega Man get figured out, or was it the surprise factor that pushed Kameme to the silver medal?

Additionally, while there definitely are other Megas, none of them get exceptional results either. ScAtt isn't exactly a picture of consistency and the other megas haven't done anything notable.

I think people have really just learned to fear the footstool metal blade combos, and so are staying the **** out from beneath him.

 

[YerTheBestAROUND]

Can we talk about Mega Man? I feel like it's been forever since Kameme made an international top 8. While he does do well in Japan, I can't figure out why he got 2nd and EVO and then hasn't top 8'ed again (Just checked) until Smashdown world. Outside of that, that's really it. Did Mega Man get figured out, or was it the surprise factor that pushed Kameme to the silver medal?

While he does do well in Japan, I can't figure out why he got 2nd and EVO and then hasn't top 8'ed again (Just checked) until Smashdown world.

Did Mega Man get figured out,

the surprise factor

You've answered your own question.

None of the top 15 had played a really good Mega Man on the level of Kameme before EVO. Then EVO ended and they labbed the match up, with a focus on certain key things they saw while fighting Kameme:
1. Don't be below him when he has a metal blade.
2. Find ways through lemons (Diddys started using rocket barrels)
3. Don't get hit by the early kill confirms and you won't die anytime soon. (dying at 70 vs dying at 180)
3.5. Don't get Shoryu'd

 

[my_T]

What players/characters has Kameme been losing to while using MM?

 

[ARGHETH]

What players/characters has Kameme been losing to while using MM?

Spoiler: Data

Since EVO, and ignoring non-major Japanese tournaments:

Umebura SAT: Dabuz/Nairo
The Little Big house 2: Salem, Rich Brown
TBH6: Marss/Salem
Smashdown: Gluttony/Anti
UGC: M. R/Ally
Zero Saga: Fatality/Anti
Smash of the Titans 15: Xzax/9B

3:
2:
1:

Adding in the Japanese tournaments:
4:
3:
2:
1:

Basically a bunch of assorted good players and top tiers. He seems to lose to Mario and Bayonetta quite often, though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But he also has a couple of notable wins against Bayonetta. Mario's the one he really can't seem to deal with at all though between Kame losing to Xzax and Scatt losing to Larry the Fox matchup also is turning out to be worse than some people, including myself, have initially suspected.

 

[Megamang]

I find Mario not that bad. Keeping him out as a gameplan isnt a bad plan; those tend to be his problem. Fair/bair keep him out decently, nair too. He is susceptible to reasonably timed bair kills too.

Fox... fox is suffering

 

[my_T]

Spoiler: Data

Since EVO, and ignoring non-major Japanese tournaments:

Umebura SAT: Dabuz/Nairo
The Little Big house 2: Salem, Rich Brown
TBH6: Marss/Salem
Smashdown: Gluttony/Anti
UGC: M. R/Ally
Zero Saga: Fatality/Anti
Smash of the Titans 15: Xzax/9B

3:
2:
1:

Adding in the Japanese tournaments:
4:
3:
2:
1:

Basically a bunch of assorted good players and top tiers. He seems to lose to Mario and Bayonetta quite often, though.

Thanks

Assuming that he went solo MM in all of these sets it seems like most of his problems stem from the top tiers like 95% of the roster

I put him in the same boat as MK and Tink. He's really good but the top tiers keep him at bay

 

[ARGHETH]

Thanks

Assuming that he went solo MM in all of these sets it seems like most of his problems stem from the top tiers like 95% of the roster

I put him in the same boat as MK and Tink. He's really good but the top tiers keep him at bay

Mostly solo MM, with Yoshi at times and Sheik in some of the Japanese tournaments.

 

[Megamang]

Mega doesnt even hate the Tippy top that much. A Diddy/Cloud/Shiek bracket is better for him than the right-below-top of Fox/m2/Mario/(lucario imo) bracket.


Bayo too, but idk whether to call her top 3 or barely top 10, its weird. She needs to win something big to be a shoe-in IMO, and top players dont get roof'd much at all anymore.

 

[TDK]

Genesis 0.9 (NorCal) (1012 Entrants)

1st: MKLeo
2nd: Ally
3rd: ZeRo
4th: Captain Zack ( )
5th: Mr. R
5th: Abadango
7th: Dabuz
7th: Komorikiri
9th: ANTi
9th: Ranai
9th: Tweek
9th: VoiD
13th: Elegant
13th: ESAM
13th: Larry Lurr
13th: 9B

~~~~~

17th: Marss
17th: Fatality
17th: Nairo
17th: Chag
17th: MVD
17th: Child
17th: Rich Brown
17th: NAKAT
25th: Kameme
25th: Locus
25th: Salem
25th: Earth
25th: K9sbruce
25th: Javi
25th: Brood
25th: AeroLink

Das Koopa

 

[YerTheBestAROUND]

Genesis 0.9 (NorCal) (1012 Entrants)

1st: MKLeo
2nd: Ally
3rd: ZeRo
4th: Captain Zack ( )
5th: Mr. R
5th: Abadango
7th: Dabuz
7th: Komorikiri
9th: ANTi
9th: Ranai
9th: Tweek
9th: VoiD
13th: Elegant
13th: ESAM
13th: Larry Lurr
13th: 9B

~~~~~

17th: Marss
17th: Fatality
17th: Nairo
17th: Chag
17th: MVD
17th: Child
17th: Rich Brown
17th: NAKAT
25th: Kameme
25th: Locus
25th: Salem
25th: Earth
25th: K9sbruce
25th: Javi
25th: Brood
25th: AeroLink

Das Koopa

Another Marth win (unsure of how much Leo used Cloud, I only managed to catch the sets for top 5) and through winners side to boot!

Also, curious as to how much Nakat used Lucina. Definitely the first we've really seen of her outside of 'random' (for lack of a better term because it's not random) Nairo counterpicks.

What I'm seeing as winners and losers of today's results
Winners:
Marth, Bayonetta, Cloud, Duck Hunt, Luigi, and Villager
13th and 25th for Luigi and Duck Hunt respectively is pretty solid!

Losers:
ZSS (none in top 16!), and some lower placings from Fox and Sheik. VoiD out at 9th despite how well he's been doing lately came as a bit of a surprise.

 

[Das Koopa]

I decided to comprise on the points issue and compensate Dabuz/Komo by increasing their character's point share by 50%.

 

[TDK]

Another Marth win (unsure of how much Leo used Cloud, I only managed to catch the sets for top 5) and through winners side to boot.

Also, curious as to how much Nakat used Lucina.

Leo used mostly Cloud, hence why I did instead of what I'd usually do,

NAKAT used Lucina against VoiD and ANTi and scored two games against both of them.

 

[Hippieslayer]

Looking at Ally vs MKLeo I'm thinking the MU sucks for Mario. But what could Ally have done differently? If Ally actually bothered to learn some movement techniques like perfect pivoting, foxtrotting, dash pivot cancelling and doing that thing where you dash forward then return the stick to neutral and tap forward again followed by tapping backward in order to instantly dash in the other direction?

I'm thinking it could've helped him bait stuff out and would've made him less vulnerable on the ground.

On the other hand I think the matchup just seems hopeless. Mario has to make himself vulnerable to Marths offense in order to get in at all. Last game made this pretty obvious when Leo switched it up a bit. Mario also struggles to land. Ally got out of a lot bad situations by being the more clever player, I think he made the MU look more even than it is. It is also known that MKLeo does not like fighting Ally, finding his playstyle weird.

 

[L9999]

It really sucks that the one time Bayonetta accomplishes a great placing at a major outside controversy just so happened to take place. Even then Zack is super good and all the Bayonettas in the tournament got top 32.

 

[Das Koopa]

Zack still took Mr. R to game 5 and beat Aba & ANTi. Definitely a good look for his future.

Hopefully Komo recovers. I don't see him attending G5 though, he deleted all his tweets from the last month and didn't attend the awards ceremony. He's gone full M2K about it