Smash 3DS 3DS Japanese Release Build Demo Event Day II (Keep questions for AMA after event) [TY Zipzo's Wife]

[shinhed-echi]

Hope you weren't insinuating I'm calling bias when I'm not.
Whatever the case, you have characters with multiple alts and character with none.
I've never had problems with it in the past. When you promote it like its a new feature everyone will be included in and only have a small portion of the roster receive it, expect disappointment.
Then throwing salt on the wound, giving some more than 1 alt, that is where I show frustration.

I think you failed to notice that none of the 3rd party characters have an alt.costume. Maybe there were strict rules about how they should be portrayed. Plus Little Mac deserves every color an every costume He's gotten so far.

Sonic on the other hand seems to have some really uninspired color swaps. :v

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

well i'm thinking that his are inspired from the 7 chaos emerald colors. Unless he still has his old black outfit in which case only a few were.

 

[Skyfox2000]

Everyone complaining about Pac-Man. He said he was slow and sluggish with big hit boxes. Well... Snake was slow and sluggish and had big hitboxes.

Pac-Man doesn't look slow and sluggish to me.

 

[Wyoming]

I got to say that the physics and mechanics of this game sound just about right. I can't wait to see it in full flow in a week's time!

Thank you Zipzo for giving us the possibility to get some information.

 

[~Burst~]

I think you failed to notice that none of the 3rd party characters have an alt.costume. Maybe there were strict rules about how they should be portrayed. Plus Little Mac deserves every color an every costume He's gotten so far.

Sonic on the other hand seems to have some really uninspired color swaps. :v

Can't really take that into account when a large portion of the roster don't have costumes. The choices seem more random than prerequisite determined.
The character does not deserve 4 different skins no matter how you shake.
Especially since its only his first entry and some vets still have none.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I think you failed to notice that none of the 3rd party characters have an alt.costume. Maybe there were strict rules about how they should be portrayed. Plus Little Mac deserves every color an every costume He's gotten so far.

Sonic on the other hand seems to have some really uninspired color swaps. :v

Sonic does not have uninspired color swaps.
One is based off the Crystal Rings he aquries in Adventure
One is based off NiGHTS from SEGA'S NiGHTS Into Dreams.
The other is based on Sliver the Hedgehog. how is that uninspiring?

 

[PsychoGhost]

GO HERE FOR THE AMA: http://smashboards.com/threads/sorr...ayed-the-release-build-of-smash-4-ama.366574/

TONS of information has been given here!

 

[Wyoming]

Not to mention some of the color palettes in there. Aerodactyl-inspired Charizard?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Can't really take that into account when a large portion of the roster don't have costumes. The choices seem more random than prerequisite determined.
The character does not deserve 4 different skins no matter how you shake.
Especially since its only his first entry and some vets still have none.

I'm shaking it every way possible, and I find no excuse as to why a character from a 30 year old franchise, with 5-6 games under its belt, can't have an impressive ammount of color schemes and costumes.
Especially to make up for the fact that a lot of people see him as "the punching guy".

Besides, he has only ONE costume, Wireframe is a recolor.

Sonic does not have uninspired color swaps.
One is based off the Crystal Rings he aquries in Adventure
One is based off NiGHTS from SEGA'S NiGHTS Into Dreams.
The other is based on Sliver the Hedgehog. how is that uninspiring?

Ah, so that's what they were supposed to represent?
Ok then, my bad. They looked extremely generic alternate shades of blue in the footage I saw. But Nights Sonic, I can respect that. :D

 

[Skyfox2000]

So is there a Japanesse Bulid up somewhere? (Someone catch me up to speed haven't contributed to this thread yet.)

 

[WarioJim]

Wolf deconfirmed

Uh... no? Your reasoning behind this was:

Fox has an alternate skin
That looks exactly like wolf
He's gray fur
Purple eye device and grayish clothing
It's the only skin that changes foxes fur
This is only a color, NOT a costume

Fox having a Wolf colour scheme means precisely Nothing, for or against Wolf.

Mario has a Wario colour scheme... but that doesn't disconfirm Wario does it?

Don't assume things we don't yet know. Heck, if Wolf is added, he could have a Fox colour scheme! It doesn't change a thing.
Unless you have real evidence against Wolf, I don't yet buy your statement. Sorry.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I think I need to upgrade to an XL...

I heard Zipzo could barely see the characters on the regular 3ds... Dang it.

 

[~Burst~]

I'm shaking it every way possible, and I find no excuse as to why a character from a 30 year old franchise, with 5-6 games under its belt, can't have an impressive ammount of color schemes and costumes.
Especially to make up for the fact that a lot of people see him as "the punching guy".

Besides, he has only ONE costume, Wireframe is a recolor.

Hes only been in 3 games one of which is a remake.
Wireframe has its own set of pallets so no.
He has His basic,Hoodie,Championship, and wireframe with it's own set of pallets.
He does not deserve that much
Donkey kong still has nothing
Samus still has nothing
You're being bais if you think that character deserves the most customization options upon his first entry.

 

[Moldy Clay]

Some costumes will be unlockable if i remember correctly

When was this EVER said?

So, could some alts still be missing?

Am I miss counting? But it sounded like Toon Link didn't have 8.

This mean not all costumes are set?

No. Zipzo & the others just didn't see/remember all of the alternates.

You have to bear in mind, there are 36 characters in the demo/starting roster. Each of them has 8 costumes (with Little Mac having 16).

That means there are, what, 296 colors to remember (this includes defaults though, so slightly less)? They just remember what stood out. They were mostly focused on the gameplay and not the colors.

Zipzo followed up by saying he was pretty damn sure that every character had 8 colors in the demo, he just doesn't remember them.

Do we have any idea on how different the costumes are between little mac and wire frame? He might just have 8 costumes that are the same for both models, and wouldn't be hard to transfer.

Yeah, it's not nearly as "omg so many costumes" as people think. Wireframe itself is just a recolor with everything made as transparencies and a celshading on the visible parts. I'm assuming they're all solid recolors aside from the white. So it's as simple as playing with Variations in Photoshop. I doubt they are that involved.

If I had to make up a reason for why Mac's getting so many costumes, I would say because it is his 30th anniversary. But that's just my rationalization for it.

Wireframe has its own set of pallets so no.
He has His basic,Hoodie,Championship, and wireframe with it's own set of pallets.

The hoodie is the ONLY actual model swap costume.
Championship is a recolor/texture. Having stripes doesn't magically make it not a recolor.
The wireframe IS a recolor with transparencies. It doesn't matter that there are 8 of them. It's still just a recolor.
You're making it something it isn't to prove a point that isn't even true. The wireframe recolors are copy/paste.

Should he be the only character with 16 colors? No.
Is the "real alternate costume" ratio extremely unbalanced? Heck yes. It's an injustice that many characters got shafted with colors and costumes while others had priority.

But don't be stupid about it. All of Mac's costumes, INCLUDING THE WIREFRAMES, are recolors except for the Hoodie (which has a recolor as a wireframe). He doesn't have 4 alternate costumes.

If you want to be pissed about something, get mad that Alph means Bowser Jr. has all the Koopalings. That means he has 7 legitimate alternate costumes while we have characters with none. In what world is that fair?

 

[Skyfox2000]

Okay, I've got to know.

Does Bowser have a voice? Or is it still just sound effects?

Sound Effects from Brawl I think.

 

[zero sum]

i'll try to be helpful for just a moment:

here's a compendium of the observations, impressions, and inferences zipzo has graciously provided to us, plucked shamelessly from the smashbros subreddit, in case anyone wants to catch up or has any questions about what he's found. if you're lost or curious about something, try looking through this! scrolling through all the posts in this thread can be a bit frustrating so this is definitely worth a look since it has all or at least most of the stuff he's disclosed.

i have to say, even though i was excited about the games coming out, this thread has me even more hyped for the release, at least in japan (i will be in college and cannot get the games from where i'll be). thank you very much for this, zipzo; it's very much appreciated, and you've done a great job recording (i.e., noting) what you can. :-)

e: oh whoops, didn't realize someone already made a masterpost of sorts. the google doc seems to have some stuff that that post doesn't have, though? not entirely sure

 

[Zenitho]

When was this EVER said?



No. Zipzo & the others just didn't see/remember all of the alternates.

You have to bear in mind, there are 36 characters in the demo/starting roster. Each of them has 8 costumes (with Little Mac having 16).

That means there are, what, 296 colors to remember (this includes defaults though, so slightly less)? They just remember what stood out. They were mostly focused on the gameplay and not the colors.

Zipzo followed up by saying he was pretty damn sure that every character had 8 colors in the demo, he just doesn't remember them.



Yeah, it's not nearly as "omg so many costumes" as people think. Wireframe itself is just a recolor with everything made as transparencies and a celshading on the visible parts. I'm assuming they're all solid recolors aside from the white. So it's as simple as playing with Variations in Photoshop. I doubt they are that involved.

If I had to make up a reason for why Mac's getting so many costumes, I would say because it is his 30th anniversary. But that's just my rationalization for it.

I believe Zipzo said that not ever character had all 8 costumes, thats where i was coming from. Only 6 costumes for Toon link leads me to believe its a possibility that we can buy 2 more to hit the 8 mark... EDIT: True he could not have remembered them all

• toon link has the four swords colors + old style link color, the black with red eyes.

 

[bekindrewind]

With the observation of Pac-Man being "slow but big hitboxes" would you say that is more of a benefit or would that be considered low tier material? Pac-Man is still a small character and if I remember correctly Snake was extremely successful in Brawl because of his large hitboxes but was also slow.

With that said I don't think Pac-Man appears to be that slow based on gameplay. He actually looks like he runs at about the same speed as Mario. But I don't know for sure, I haven't played the game.

 

[AustarusIV]

Is Gaur Plains playable in the demo? Last I checked, it was in the 3DS version of the game, and I didn't think that it would be excluded from the demo if Shulk was playable.

 

[~Burst~]

The hoodie is the ONLY actual model swap costume.
Championship is a recolor/texture. Having stripes doesn't magically make it not a recolor.
The wireframe IS a recolor with transparencies. It doesn't matter that there are 8 of them. It's still just a recolor.
You're making it something it isn't to prove a point that isn't even true. The wireframe recolors are copy/paste.

Should he be the only character with 16 colors? No.
Is the "real alternate costume" ratio extremely unbalanced? Heck yes. It's an injustice that many characters got shafted with colors and costumes while others had priority.

But don't be stupid about it. All of Mac's costumes, INCLUDING THE WIREFRAMES, are recolors except for the Hoodie (which has a recolor as a wireframe). He doesn't have 4 alternate costumes.

If you want to be pissed about something, get mad that Alph means Bowser Jr. has all the Koopalings. That means he has 7 legitimate alternate costumes while we have characters with none. In what world is that fair?

How is a model swap not a costume are you serious?
Sakurai has already pointed just because it doesn't have its own set of pallets its a costume
Championship is considered a costume considering mario's "Patriotic" is a costume.
and wire frame is a skin change its not just copy pasting colors they changed the model.
Not blowing anything out of proportion im telling it like it is
He has 3 models + special pallet one of those models has its own set of pallets. He does have the most customization in the game, currently.

 

[Mensrea]

Hey Zip, know your getting absolutely flooded, but if you could give me the down low on Samus (in suit) and fox I would be very grateful.

Maybe DK if you get a chance?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Hes only been in 3 games one of which is a remake.
Wireframe has its own set of pallets so no.
He has His basic,Hoodie,Championship, and wireframe with it's own set of pallets.
He does not deserve that much
Donkey kong still has nothing
Samus still has nothing
You're being bais if you think that character deserves the most customization options upon his first entry.

You already got replied to, so yeah.
Not much to add there.

It's not Mac's fault Donkey Kong barely has costumes to draw from. Heck, his recolors aren't even canon, so I don't see what you're complaining about.

As a big fan of Samus, I'm EXTREMELY pleased with the colors she got. Light Suit? Dark Samus? Fusion again? Give me a break, if anything, she has one of the best array of color swaps in the game. The only addition I'd give her is the Power Suit from Zero Mission (the yellow one with shoulder pads that aren't spherical). And even that would be a bonus.

So I'm not being "bais", sir, Little Mac has all of the color schemes from the Wii and NES games, plus a Wireframe model, which as explained before, is more of a "demake" of a model than anything (and as a 30th anniversary gift, I'd say I'm please with just that). And hoody Mac is the only alt.costume he has so far which BY THE WAY, was already modelled and programmed into the game to be Little Mac's intro animation.

 

[MachoCheeze]

With the observation of Pac-Man being "slow but big hitboxes" would you say that is more of a benefit or would that be considered low tier material? Pac-Man is still a small character and if I remember correctly Snake was extremely successful in Brawl because of his large hitboxes but was also slow.

With that said I don't think Pac-Man appears to be that slow based on gameplay. He actually looks like he runs at about the same speed as Mario. But I don't know for sure, I haven't played the game.

He came back in and corrected himself. Pac was slow to him because he was used to fast characters and he isn't so slow that he won't be viable. He's comparable to Mr. G&W, but really floaty.

 

[shadowjosh]

I still think alts and costumes will be a pretty easy thing for Nintendo to offer as DLC. Or even promotional costumes for new releases in a franchise. Like...Sonic Boom drops so here's a Sonic Boom Alt. Or...Zelda WiiU is coming soon so here's a WiiU Zelda Alt. Stuff like that. Easy money.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I still think alts and costumes will be a pretty easy thing for Nintendo to offer as DLC. Or even promotional costumes for new releases in a franchise. Like...Sonic Boom drops so here's a Sonic Boom Alt. Or...Zelda WiiU is coming soon so here's a WiiU Zelda Alt. Stuff like that. Easy money.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[bekindrewind]

He came back in and corrected himself. Pac was slow to him because he was used to fast characters and he isn't so slow that he won't be viable. He's comparable to Mr. G&W, but really floaty.

Yeah I can't imagine Pac-Man being that sluggish. I'd imagine him to be around the same speed as Mario. He also said "disjointed hitboxes" which I don't know if that's a positive or negative to Pac. Large hitboxes are marvelous for Pac-Man because he's so small, so I guess that's what he was trying to say earlier?

 

[Pannopap]

I think I need to upgrade to an XL...

I heard Zipzo could barely see the characters on the regular 3ds... Dang it.

Well, if you are going to upgrade there's always the special edition smash 3ds xl. (First post so can't add links yet apparently.)

 

[MachoCheeze]

Yeah I can't imagine Pac-Man being that sluggish. I'd imagine him to be around the same speed as Mario. He also said "disjointed hitboxes" which I don't know if that's a positive or negative to Pac. Large hitboxes are marvelous for Pac-Man because he's so small, so I guess that's what he was trying to say earlier?

It's an awesome feature for his fighting style! Disjointed hitboxes is some that makes Marth really good in the past Smash games.

 

[Mutsukki]

Has anyone said anything about the victory themes being Brawl leftovers?

Also, hi!

 

[Azizibesmashing]

I could keep this all in the other thread but I want to keep a front page detailed list of what I'm looking for so people know what to suggest.

So far my ipad memo pad looks like...




THINGS TO LOOK FOR

- Not yet played/revealed characters
- How they play

- IASA frame check : is it more forgiving than previous games?

- Can you cancel a portion of landing lag with an attack, shield, or running?

- Dash dancing window; same as E3?

- How's the ledge snap?

- Zelda's 3 remaining unseen costumes? There's red, blue, pink, purple, black and...

- Edge canceling?

- What's Metaknight looking like?




Give me some suggestions and I will update this list as we go, after the event is over I will go over every question/thing I found.

its only natural i say this after such an amazing night of updates. THANKYOU.
and I TOLD YOU SO.
reading your post has put ease in my heart about what i saw, you have witnessed it yourself
you had many doubts in my post, i explained tilts ,less lag and more.
all is well though. I've enjoyed reading your updates

 

[bekindrewind]

It's an awesome feature for his fighting style! Disjointed hitboxes is some that makes Marth really good in the past Smash games.

Hopefully with Pac-Man's size and his hitboxes he could qualify for at least mid-tier... haha. I really want him to be good and I definitely see potential in him, especially with the so-called "large hitboxes."

 

[Pannopap]

So, does anybody know exactly how Levin Sword charges work? Like, if you just stand there and use a smash attack without targeting anyone does it use a charge or is it based on contact?

 

[itsameluigi1290]

So, has anyone made a list of Smash Bros. characters' color swaps? I could make one if anyone finds that convenient. But I don't remember all the ones that were said so help would be appreciated.

Also, I know how hard it is to remember color swaps. At the Best Buy demo, I could barely remember any of them (except Sonic's and Rosalina's I think). XP

 

[Bladeviper]

So, does anybody know exactly how Levin Sword charges work? Like, if you just stand there and use a smash attack without targeting anyone does it use a charge or is it based on contact?

i dont think it was said but ether way it sounds like it won't matter too much since it recharges in 5 seconds or so

 

[Jesepe]

Hoping the "glasses" costume for Pikachu are the blue goggles, considering they were in the Best buy demo

 

[Zenitho]

Hoping the "glasses" costume for Pikachu are the blue goggles, considering they were in the Best buy demo

I wouldn't assume they would take out a finished costume for Pika

 

[Skyfox2000]

Who is Zipzo? Someone please catch me up.

 

[Zenitho]

Who is Zipzo? Someone please catch me up.

Zipzo is the guy who gave us all (most) of our information on the new japanese demo

 

[Bladeviper]

Who is Zipzo? Someone please catch me up.

they are doing a pre release event in japan with the final build of the game, zipzo is a member of our community who is playing it and relaying the information to us

 

[espio87]

So, does anybody know exactly how Levin Sword charges work? Like, if you just stand there and use a smash attack without targeting anyone does it use a charge or is it based on contact?

If Sakurai is staying true to the Fire Emblem mechanics, then weapon misses don't expend the weapons' durability. I can see it happening.