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Opinions can't be wrong lol. It's his and no one else's. You can disagree, but opinions are never wrong nor right. Only agreed with or disagreed with.For all intents and purposes Marth basically wasn't touched. 99% of Marth's grab usage isn't affected by the changes and the change to jab2 doesn't really do anything of consequence.
Your opinion is wrong.
Marth is generally held to beat Roy, but a long list of various attributes for each character doesn't really capture how or why.
His aerials are kill moves, what are you talking about?
Guess what? You're wrong.Opinions can't be wrong lol. It's his and no one else's. You can disagree, but opinions are never wrong nor right. Only agreed with or disagreed with.
Dash grab reaches lower than his standing grab, so it's occasionally used to grab characters that could otherwise duck under a grab attempt.A good Marth will NEVER use dash grab ever and will instead ALWAYS opt to JC grab
Opinions are just that. Opinions. They are how people view the world and that can never be wrong. If you opinion is that the Sun orbits the Earth, then i can't say that's wrong. The FACT is that the Earth rotates around the Sun is true, but if you believe it otherwise, then i can't say you are wrong to do so.Guess what? You're wrong.
If my opinion is that the Sun orbits the Earth, my opinion is demonstrably incorrect. If I think the sky is neon green, I'm wrong.
The idea that Roy lacks combos is... wait for it... wrong.
The idea that opinions can't be wrong is right up there with things like "there are no stupid questions".
Dash grab reaches lower than his standing grab, so it's occasionally used to grab characters that could otherwise duck under a grab attempt.
I think playing marth in PM has made me play better in melee. There's so many things I have had to do to not get destroyed by OP characters before this patch. It's made me think and be more aware of how to get around all the things that can stop marth. I no longer struggle with projectiles and my game has become extremely adaptive.Marth is somewhat easy to learn and I think 3.5 is a good way to learn marth besides melee
You have to take into account the two most important moves in the neutral are grab and d-tilt, and iirc the spacing is even here. Marth's fair helps him a lot as you can also use it in neutral, but what works for Roy is that both d-tilt and grab are combo starters and d-tilt isn't for Marth. I'd say the matchup is roughly evenI think playing marth in PM has made me play better in melee. There's so many things I have had to do to not get destroyed by OP characters before this patch. It's made me think and be more aware of how to get around all the things that can stop marth. I no longer struggle with projectiles and my game has become extremely adaptive.
As for marth vs roy. If the marth player has better spacing than the roy player, he'll be able to stomp roy. If the roy player gets as many chances to punish the marth player then he will likely win because roy can really punish. Though the primary factors of which could beat which are how well each player can control positioning and how good their movement is.
Roy lacks combo in my opinion.
Lmao please stop postingMarth DTilt moves up downwards, and Roy's moves you upwards.
What are you talking about?Opinions are just that. Opinions. They are how people view the world and that can never be wrong. If you opinion is that the Sun orbits the Earth, then i can't say that's wrong. The FACT is that the Earth rotates around the Sun is true, but if you believe it otherwise, then i can't say you are wrong to do so.
Are you saying that Roy can't DACUS RAR or footstool?Roy in Melee was not so good, Roy in PM 3.5 was a lot better doing to his buff, and stuff.
But talking about Marth vs. Roy in 3.5, well Roy does not have Brawl/Smash 4 exclusive techniques available to him (DACUS, RAR, footstool, etc.)
Roy can still turn around his Side B and do other PM exclusive tricks, just not ATs not possible to do in Melee.
.Bonus Round (if he still sucks): Roy gets DACUS, Foostooling, and whatever Brawl/PM ATs he wants. Also he gets his pre-3.5 uair and dash grab back
I hear some folks on here talk about the Fox/Falco/Marth dominated future of Melee, and I just wonder sometimes how Roy would do if he actually coughs worked like he shoul.
That is Melee/PM design. This includes all of the characters to some extent as well.After playing some PM today, and me being used to Smash 4 Marth, all I gotta say is this.
Marth is ridiculously fluid in Melee/PM oh my lord.