3.02 Jump Squat Data

Inserio · May 31, 2014

*Edit* Go here instead:
http://smashboards.com/threads/p-m-3-0-statistics-list-shff-speed-weight-falling-speed-etc.335019/

I'll update this just in case, though (and I included Giga Bowser):

So I was searching everywhere to find if this had been posted and I could not find anything. If this has been said but I missed it somehow or should be posted elsewhere, I apologize.

In any case, I was curious about this data because I planned to perfect my short hop, and unless I don't understand the concept correctly, this is the amount of frames each character has to input jump and release it before it becomes a full hop.

3 Frames:

Fox
ICs
Kirby
Lucario
MK
Pikachu
Samus
Sheik
Sonic
Toon Link

4 Frames:

C. Falcon
Charizard
Diddy
G&W
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Ness
Olimar
Roy
Squirtle
Wolf
ZSS

5 Frames:

DK
Falco
Ike
Ivysaur
Jigglypuff
Lucas
Mewtwo
Peach
Pit
ROB
Snake
Wario
Yoshi
Zelda

6 Frames:

DDD
Ganon
Giga Bowser
Link

8 Frames:

Bowser

ShadowGanon · May 31, 2014

I can tell you right now that Roy's jump squat is not 6 frames. It's 4, just like Marth.

Inserio · May 31, 2014

Well that's odd, cause I got that one directly from brawlbox v0.68b, and I'm looking at it right now. If brawlbox is misreporting the data, then that might confound a lot of the other data I found.

ShadowGanon · May 31, 2014

Yeah, I know for a fact that it's 4 instead of 6. It says so on the Roy Frame Data thread, and, if it was 6 frames, it would be just as easy to DACUS with Roy as with Ganon. And I know that that is not true. It's stupid hard to DACUS with Roy.

Phaiyte · May 31, 2014

I wish it was easier to dacus with Roy qq

ShadowGanon · May 31, 2014

Phaiyte said:
I wish it was easier to dacus with Roy qq

You eventually get used to it. But, even then, it isn't as useful as other characters DACUSes.

(Totes off topic)

The_Guide · May 31, 2014

Isn't Samus 3 frames?

Inserio · May 31, 2014

ShadowGanon said:
Yeah, I know for a fact that it's 4 instead of 6. It says so on the Roy Frame Data thread, and, if it was 6 frames, it would be just as easy to DACUS with as with Ganon. And I know that that is not true. It's stupid hard to DACUS with Roy.

Thanks for posting that. This brings up some red flags for me. I'm not lying when I say this is exactly what I'm looking at:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xydnlx41qlql13y/Screenshot 2014-05-31 12.33.23.png
Note the 6 in the bottom right corner.

Zoa · May 31, 2014

http://smashboards.com/threads/p-m-3-0-statistics-list-shff-speed-weight-falling-speed-etc.335019/

Thread needs more support for sticky people!

Inserio · May 31, 2014

PhantomMewtwoX said:
http://smashboards.com/threads/p-m-3-0-statistics-list-shff-speed-weight-falling-speed-etc.335019/

Thread needs more support for sticky people!

Oh my, thanks for this. Also, I think I found what is creating the variation. Brawlbox is indeed giving different data than what they obtained in that Roy thread. They used PSA, and it shows the jump startup as 4, like @

ShadowGanon said.

I'll link this PM 3.0 data in the OP.

Sour Supreme · May 31, 2014

The_Guide said:
Isn't Samus 3 frames?

I was thinking the same thing. But, I've never been one to pay attention to the frames, or Samus for that matter.

MonkUnit · May 31, 2014

Code:

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Character       |  JumpStart . Empty . N-Air  . F-Air . B-Air . U-Air . D-Air |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Bowser..........|     8      .   6   . 13/26  . 15/30 . 17/35 . 15/30 . 20/40 |
|Captain Falcon..|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  9/19 .  9/18 .  7/15 . 12/24 |
|Charizard.......|     4      .   5   .  9/18  . 13/26 . 11/22 . 10/20 . 10/20 |
|Diddy Kong......|     4      .   4   .  9/18  . 11/22 .  8/15 .  9/19 . 12/25 |
|Donkey Kong.....|     5      .   5   .  8/17  . 13/27 .  7/15 . 12/25 . 14/28 |
|Falco...........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  . 11/22 . 10/20 .  9/18 .  9/18 |
|Fox.............|     3      .   4   .  7/15  . 11/22 . 10/20 .  9/18 .  9/18 |
|Ganondorf.......|     6      .   5   . 12/25  . 12/25 . 12/25 . 10/20 . 15/31 |
|Giga Bowser.....|     6      .  11   . 15/26  . 20/40 . 30/45 . 20/40 . 30/44 |
|Ice Climbers....|     3      .   4   .  9/18  . 10/20 . 10/20 . 14/28 . 12/25 |
|Ike.............|     5      .   4   .  9/18  . 13/26 .  9/19 . 12/24 . 12/24 |
|Ivysaur.........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  . 10/20 .  9/18 . 11/22 . 11/22 |
|Jigglypuff......|     5      .   4   . 10/20  . 10/20 . 10/20 . 10/20 . 14/28 |
|King Dedede.....|     6      .   6   .  8/16  . 16/32 .  9/18 . 10/20 . 10/20 |
|Kirby...........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 . 10/20 |
|Link............|     6      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 . 14/28 . 20/40 |
|Lucario.........|     3      .   4   .  9/18  .  9/18 .  9/18 . 11/22 . 11/22 |
|Lucas...........|     4      .   4   .  8/15  .  7/15 . 10/20 .  7/15 .  9/18 |
|Luigi...........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 12/25 .  7/15 .  7/15 .  9/18 |
|Mario...........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 10/21 .  7/15 .  7/15 . 10/20 |
|Marth...........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 . 12/24 .  7/15 . 12/25 |
|Meta Knight.....|     3      .   4   .  8/16  .  9/18 .  7/15 .  7/15 . 13/26 |
|Mewtwo..........|     5      .   5   . 12/24  .  8/16 . 13/26 . 10/20 .  9/18 |
|Mr. Game & Watch|     4      .   4   .  8/17  . 12/25 . 10/20 .  9/18 . 10/20 |
|Ness............|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  9/18 .  9/18 .  9/18 . 11/21 |
|Olimar..........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  8/16 .  8/16 . 10/20 . 11/25 |
|Peach...........|     5      .   4   .  8/16  . 12/25 .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 |
|Pikachu.........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  9/19 .  9/18 . 12/24 . 12/25 |
|Pit.............|     5      .   4   .  8/16  .  7/15 .  9/19 . 11/21 . 10/21 |
|R.O.B...........|     5      .   4   . 12/24  .  9/18 . 12/25 . 11/22 . 15/30 |
|Roy.............|     4      .   4   . 10/20  . 10/20 . 12/24 .  7/15 . 12/25 |
|Samus...........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 |
|Sheik...........|     3      .   4   .  8/16  .  8/16 .  8/16 . 12/24 . 10/20 |
|Snake...........|     5      .   4   .  8/16  . 15/30 . 11/23 . 10/21 . 12/25 |
|Sonic...........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  . 11/22 .  9/18 . 11/21 . 13/26 |
|Squirtle........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 12/24 .  8/16 . 11/22 . 10/20 |
|Toon Link.......|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 . 13/26 . 18/36 |
|Wario...........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  .  8/16 . 12/24 . 10/20 . 17/33 |
|Wolf............|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 13/26 . 10/20 . 11/22 . 11/23 |
|Yoshi...........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  . 10/20 .  7/15 .  9/18 . 11/22 |
|Zelda...........|     5      .   4   .  8/17  .  9/18 .  9/18 . 12/25 . 12/24 |
|Zero Suit Samus.|     4      .   4   .  8/16  . 10/20 .  8/17 .  9/19 .  9/18 |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I posted this somewhere on SWF a while back. Here you go. /thread

DrinkingFood · May 31, 2014

@

MonkUnit ROB's jumpstart is 5 frames even though the animation looks like 6.

MonkUnit · May 31, 2014

Oh, right. Thanks. Guess I forgot to change that from the last time you corrected me haha

SpiderMad · Mar 24, 2015

MonkUnit said:

Code:

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Character       |  JumpStart . Empty . N-Air  . F-Air . B-Air . U-Air . D-Air |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|Bowser..........|     8      .   6   . 13/26  . 15/30 . 17/35 . 15/30 . 20/40 |
|Captain Falcon..|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  9/19 .  9/18 .  7/15 . 12/24 |
|Charizard.......|     4      .   5   .  9/18  . 13/26 . 11/22 . 10/20 . 10/20 |
|Diddy Kong......|     4      .   4   .  9/18  . 11/22 .  8/15 .  9/19 . 12/25 |
|Donkey Kong.....|     5      .   5   .  8/17  . 13/27 .  7/15 . 12/25 . 14/28 |
|Falco...........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  . 11/22 . 10/20 .  9/18 .  9/18 |
|Fox.............|     3      .   4   .  7/15  . 11/22 . 10/20 .  9/18 .  9/18 |
|Ganondorf.......|     6      .   5   . 12/25  . 12/25 . 12/25 . 10/20 . 15/31 |
|Giga Bowser.....|     6      .  11   . 15/26  . 20/40 . 30/45 . 20/40 . 30/44 |
|Ice Climbers....|     3      .   4   .  9/18  . 10/20 . 10/20 . 14/28 . 12/25 |
|Ike.............|     5      .   4   .  9/18  . 13/26 .  9/19 . 12/24 . 12/24 |
|Ivysaur.........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  . 10/20 .  9/18 . 11/22 . 11/22 |
|Jigglypuff......|     5      .   4   . 10/20  . 10/20 . 10/20 . 10/20 . 14/28 |
|King Dedede.....|     6      .   6   .  8/16  . 16/32 .  9/18 . 10/20 . 10/20 |
|Kirby...........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 . 10/20 |
|Link............|     6      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 . 14/28 . 20/40 |
|Lucario.........|     3      .   4   .  9/18  .  9/18 .  9/18 . 11/22 . 11/22 |
|Lucas...........|     4      .   4   .  8/15  .  7/15 . 10/20 .  7/15 .  9/18 |
|Luigi...........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 12/25 .  7/15 .  7/15 .  9/18 |
|Mario...........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 10/21 .  7/15 .  7/15 . 10/20 |
|Marth...........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 . 12/24 .  7/15 . 12/25 |
|Meta Knight.....|     3      .   4   .  8/16  .  9/18 .  7/15 .  7/15 . 13/26 |
|Mewtwo..........|     5      .   5   . 12/24  .  8/16 . 13/26 . 10/20 .  9/18 |
|Mr. Game & Watch|     4      .   4   .  8/17  . 12/25 . 10/20 .  9/18 . 10/20 |
|Ness............|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  9/18 .  9/18 .  9/18 . 11/21 |
|Olimar..........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  .  8/16 .  8/16 . 10/20 . 11/25 |
|Peach...........|     5      .   4   .  8/16  . 12/25 .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 |
|Pikachu.........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  9/19 .  9/18 . 12/24 . 12/25 |
|Pit.............|     5      .   4   .  8/16  .  7/15 .  9/19 . 11/21 . 10/21 |
|R.O.B...........|     5      .   4   . 12/24  .  9/18 . 12/25 . 11/22 . 15/30 |
|Roy.............|     4      .   4   . 10/20  . 10/20 . 12/24 .  7/15 . 12/25 |
|Samus...........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 .  7/15 |
|Sheik...........|     3      .   4   .  8/16  .  8/16 .  8/16 . 12/24 . 10/20 |
|Snake...........|     5      .   4   .  8/16  . 15/30 . 11/23 . 10/21 . 12/25 |
|Sonic...........|     3      .   4   .  7/15  . 11/22 .  9/18 . 11/21 . 13/26 |
|Squirtle........|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 12/24 .  8/16 . 11/22 . 10/20 |
|Toon Link.......|     3      .   4   .  7/15  .  7/15 .  7/15 . 13/26 . 18/36 |
|Wario...........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  .  8/16 . 12/24 . 10/20 . 17/33 |
|Wolf............|     4      .   4   .  7/15  . 13/26 . 10/20 . 11/22 . 11/23 |
|Yoshi...........|     5      .   4   .  7/15  . 10/20 .  7/15 .  9/18 . 11/22 |
|Zelda...........|     5      .   4   .  8/17  .  9/18 .  9/18 . 12/25 . 12/24 |
|Zero Suit Samus.|     4      .   4   .  8/16  . 10/20 .  8/17 .  9/19 .  9/18 |
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I posted this somewhere on SWF a while back. Here you go. /thread

Were 3.5's changes just Ganon and Bowser being made 1 frame less?

Ripple · Mar 24, 2015

Nice necro. Bowers was 2 frames less. And links was also changed to minus 1

SpiderMad · Mar 24, 2015

88nailyH said:
Nice necro. Bowers was 2 frames less. And links was also changed to minus 1

So Bowser -2, Link and Ganon -1? thx

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