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The implication here is that the next wave will continue to "add game worlds to the series", or continue to add characters who're not from franchises in smash in any shape or form thus far, as it has with the first Fighters Pass. This doesn't prevent him from being a Mii Costume, however, but I feel as though that'd really be the best case scenario for Geno.
This argument is compelling and well-defended. Added this to the OP.The Stars have aligned in our favor.
At this point, I'm fully confident in 2B. Why? Expect a lengthy explanation/summary! Endure it! Endure it!
Let us start off with the obvious. We're getting more DLC fighters! (You already knew that though, didn't you?)
And, as a result, we can make the assumption that in this next batch of DLC Fighters, Square Enix will toss in yet another rep.
In the current moment of time, the characters people consider most seem to be Sora, Geno, and I believe 2B. Now with these two in the way, why would 2B get in? Fairly simple. This is going off of how things have been done thus far for such things.
Sora is fairly likely to get in, I'd say, though I believe 2B is more probable. The top four Square Enix franchises thus far in terms of sales in order are: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, and the DrakeNier franchise. Of course, going off of this pattern, it'd be natural to assume that Kingdom Hearts is the next in line to get the rep, right? Well, I'm not entirely sure about that to tell the truth. Potential Disney drama aside (because it's been repeated to death at this point, and personally I now feel as if Disney won't hurt nor boost Sora's chances. At least not significantly.), there are some things 2B does happen to have going for her that Sora does not, which I will go into further below.
As for Geno, I believe the odds are against Geno's favor, more so than Sora. Admittedly, outside of the Smash community, he's rather niche on a global scale (I'm sorry for anyone he's a big fan of him, I intend no offense,) and not only that, Fighters Pass DLC thus far seems to have been consistent in one "rule" if you will as stated by Reggie: All new DLC reps are those of franchises that have yet to be in Smash in any shape or form. This is likely to be the case with the next wave, as stated by Sakurai (choose to interpret it literally or not if you will, I choose to do so; Reggie stated something similar before and it ended up being literal)...
The implication here is that the next wave will continue to "add game worlds to the series", or continue to add characters who're not from franchises in smash in any shape or form thus far, as it has with the first Fighters Pass. This doesn't prevent him from being a Mii Costume, however, but I feel as though that'd really be the best case scenario for Geno.
Now, as for the things that point towards 2B? There's many things in her favor.
❖ Sometime in May this year, Yoko Taro stated that 2B's voice actress would soon reprise her role again. This isn't just to suggest that it is for smash, however, but exciting nonetheless isn't it? There's a very good chance that it is for Yoko Taro's next game, which is supposed to be unveiled to the public "next chance he gets", likely Tokyo Game Show 2019. This indicates that Square Enix indeed sees NieR as a valuable franchise to promote to ensure its growth.
❖ Yoko Taro stated he would gladly lend 2B out to put her into as many games as possible, Smash included. Square/Yoko Taro have put 2B/Nier in multiple games already. Some more popular ones are SoulCalibur 6, Gravity Rush/Daze, Monster Hunter Frontier Z, Phantasy Star Online 2, Lords of Vermillion, FFXIV, and countless others (sadly, many are also Japan exclusive). This indicates that she'd be one of the characters Square Enix is far more eager to lend out, especially if Yoko Taro or Yosuke Saito have a say in it.
❖ Sakurai favors NieR: Automata, and has played every game in the franchise. Sakurai has stated before that he loved NieR: Automata, and enjoyed Yoko Taro's works. He's also written a famitsu column on the game as well (link here). Interesting thing to note, many of the more 'recent' games Sakurai has written famitsu columns on thus far have been put into smash one way or another. Sakurai wrote 2 columns on Persona 5 (Joker), even wrote one on indies talking about how he's enjoyed Undertale (Sans Mii Costume), etc. I suppose you could say there's a bit of Sakurai bias on this, as most DLC characters thus far are those of franchises or games Sakurai has enjoyed.
❖ Japan favors NieR: Automata. In Japan, Famitsu published results based off of a large survey on what the best games of the Heisei Era were. On this list, NieR: Automata ranked third. It has also grown worldwide appeal thus far, and continues to grow in popularity today at a stunning pace considering its circumstances.
❖ Yoko Taro and Sakurai are good friends. They've become fairly friendly with one another in recent times. Not only will this make it easier for him to obtain 2B, but Sakurai has also put characters belonging to friends in the game. (Snake.)
❖ The other consistent "rule" for DLC thus far, being characters from a game after 2016 being unable to make the cut due to when the first Fighters Pass choices were finalized, is thrown out the window. This is because this fighters pass is new and reason, undeniably getting rid of the biggest roadblock for 2B.
These are merely a few of the main things that are in 2B's favor. These are also the things 2B holds over Sora being in Smash, save for potentially the friendship Sakurai and Yoko Taro hold merely because Nomura is also friends with Sakurai. Admittedly, the only things standing in 2B's way now is the possibility of Sora making it in over her (though I strongly believe her to be more likely than Sora in this case), and the other "rule" of characters needing to have appeared on a Nintendo Console. Though, you could say she already qualifies for that "rule", being in Phantasy Star Online 2, which is also on the Switch. Even then, if that doesn't qualify her, Yosuke Saito, Yoko Taro, and Takahisa Taura have all agreed to wanting to put NieR: Automata on the switch. Therefore, if she doesn't qualify for that rule now, she most likely will very soon.
I'm sorry for making you read so much of this long post. Unless you didn't read it all, which is understandable.And rude.But hopefully this all makes sense to you all.
Let us hope this is all correct. Unless you're rooting for Sora or Geno instead of 2B, I guess.
Glory to Mankind! and whatnot.
They did not imply that things like only "new series" characters as something like Corrin would be "new to the series." Reggie has said something similar about Waluigi in an interview. Unless you believe that arbitrarily limiting character choices because of "franchise popularity" or made up rules like "NPCs role can never join Smash from day one" and will never change and can't have overlap like Robin's final smash has Chrom fighting himself is a very good idea. Won't come back to bite anyone in the *** at all. Nope. It's the perfect way to build your crossover roster. If you want to take their words literally then they won't include more content beyond the Fighter's Pass because of Sakurai's statements during Hero's showcase.The Stars have aligned in our favor.
At this point, I'm fully confident in 2B. Why? Expect a lengthy explanation/summary! Endure it! Endure it!
Let us start off with the obvious. We're getting more DLC fighters! (You already knew that though, didn't you?)
And, as a result, we can make the assumption that in this next batch of DLC Fighters, Square Enix will toss in yet another rep.
In the current moment of time, the characters people consider most seem to be Sora, Geno, and I believe 2B. Now with these two in the way, why would 2B get in? Fairly simple. This is going off of how things have been done thus far for such things.
Sora is fairly likely to get in, I'd say, though I believe 2B is more probable. The top four Square Enix franchises thus far in terms of sales in order are: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, and the DrakeNier franchise. Of course, going off of this pattern, it'd be natural to assume that Kingdom Hearts is the next in line to get the rep, right? Well, I'm not entirely sure about that to tell the truth. Potential Disney drama aside (because it's been repeated to death at this point, and personally I now feel as if Disney won't hurt nor boost Sora's chances. At least not significantly.), there are some things 2B does happen to have going for her that Sora does not, which I will go into further below.
As for Geno, I believe the odds are against Geno's favor, more so than Sora. Admittedly, outside of the Smash community, he's rather niche on a global scale (I'm sorry for anyone he's a big fan of him, I intend no offense,) and not only that, Fighters Pass DLC thus far seems to have been consistent in one "rule" if you will as stated by Reggie: All new DLC reps are those of franchises that have yet to be in Smash in any shape or form. This is likely to be the case with the next wave, as stated by Sakurai (choose to interpret it literally or not if you will, I choose to do so; Reggie stated something similar before and it ended up being literal)...
The implication here is that the next wave will continue to "add game worlds to the series", or continue to add characters who're not from franchises in smash in any shape or form thus far, as it has with the first Fighters Pass. This doesn't prevent him from being a Mii Costume, however, but I feel as though that'd really be the best case scenario for Geno.
Now, as for the things that point towards 2B? There's many things in her favor.
❖ Sometime in May this year, Yoko Taro stated that 2B's voice actress would soon reprise her role again. This isn't just to suggest that it is for smash, however, but exciting nonetheless isn't it? There's a very good chance that it is for Yoko Taro's next game, which is supposed to be unveiled to the public "next chance he gets", likely Tokyo Game Show 2019. This indicates that Square Enix indeed sees NieR as a valuable franchise to promote to ensure its growth.
❖ Yoko Taro stated he would gladly lend 2B out to put her into as many games as possible, Smash included. Square/Yoko Taro have put 2B/Nier in multiple games already. Some more popular ones are SoulCalibur 6, Gravity Rush/Daze, Monster Hunter Frontier Z, Phantasy Star Online 2, Lords of Vermillion, FFXIV, and countless others (sadly, many are also Japan exclusive). This indicates that she'd be one of the characters Square Enix is far more eager to lend out, especially if Yoko Taro or Yosuke Saito have a say in it.
❖ Sakurai favors NieR: Automata, and has played every game in the franchise. Sakurai has stated before that he loved NieR: Automata, and enjoyed Yoko Taro's works. He's also written a famitsu column on the game as well (link here). Interesting thing to note, many of the more 'recent' games Sakurai has written famitsu columns on thus far have been put into smash one way or another. Sakurai wrote 2 columns on Persona 5 (Joker), even wrote one on indies talking about how he's enjoyed Undertale (Sans Mii Costume), etc. I suppose you could say there's a bit of Sakurai bias on this, as most DLC characters thus far are those of franchises or games Sakurai has enjoyed.
❖ Japan favors NieR: Automata. In Japan, Famitsu published results based off of a large survey on what the best games of the Heisei Era were. On this list, NieR: Automata ranked third. It has also grown worldwide appeal thus far, and continues to grow in popularity today at a stunning pace considering its circumstances.
❖ Yoko Taro and Sakurai are good friends. They've become fairly friendly with one another in recent times. Not only will this make it easier for him to obtain 2B, but Sakurai has also put characters belonging to friends in the game. (Snake.)
❖ The other consistent "rule" for DLC thus far, being characters from a game after 2016 being unable to make the cut due to when the first Fighters Pass choices were finalized, is thrown out the window. This is because this fighters pass is new and reason, undeniably getting rid of the biggest roadblock for 2B.
These are merely a few of the main things that are in 2B's favor. These are also the things 2B holds over Sora being in Smash, save for potentially the friendship Sakurai and Yoko Taro hold merely because Nomura is also friends with Sakurai. Admittedly, the only things standing in 2B's way now is the possibility of Sora making it in over her (though I strongly believe her to be more likely than Sora in this case), and the other "rule" of characters needing to have appeared on a Nintendo Console. Though, you could say she already qualifies for that "rule", being in Phantasy Star Online 2, which is also on the Switch. Even then, if that doesn't qualify her, Yosuke Saito, Yoko Taro, and Takahisa Taura have all agreed to wanting to put NieR: Automata on the switch. Therefore, if she doesn't qualify for that rule now, she most likely will very soon.
I'm sorry for making you read so much of this long post. Unless you didn't read it all, which is understandable.And rude.But hopefully this all makes sense to you all.
Let us hope this is all correct. Unless you're rooting for Sora or Geno instead of 2B, I guess.
Glory to Mankind! and whatnot.
I believe it is the context that was key, at least for what Reggie stated before. It can be seen here: https://youtu.be/g0Vsatt8-o4?t=187 (essentially the video you linked).They did not imply that things like only "new series" characters as something like Corrin would be "new to the series." Reggie has said something similar about Waluigi in an interview. Unless you believe that arbitrarily limiting character choices because of "franchise popularity" or made up rules like "NPCs role can never join Smash from day one" and will never change and can't have overlap like Robin's final smash has Chrom fighting himself is a very good idea. Won't come back to bite anyone in the *** at all. Nope. It's the perfect way to build your crossover roster. If you want to take their words literally then they won't include more content beyond the Fighter's Pass because of Sakurai's statements during Hero's showcase.
Sakurai's words: "We're low on budget"
Fan interpretation: "No DLC after Fighter Pass, because limited budget."
The "new worlds" is a translation error
There was a problem fetching the tweetjust as how the 4.0 video is not 22 minutes, it was a translation error by Nintendo of America.
If characters after 2016 can't be in the Fighter's Pass then neither can Hero.
There was a problem fetching the tweet
Link?
https://youtu.be/oxr8fQcYrHQ fast forward till min 2 more or less they will start talking about the leak.
I hate to say it... but it's fake. Because it was edited.
What Reggie is saying is characters like Joker are “new to the series” because they are not playable in an official Super Smash Bros game prior. That is why he said Waluigi is not “part of the series”, as he is like Joker, not playable in an official Super Smash Bros game prior. Just like Corrin, just like Inklings, just like Ridley, just like R.O.B. like Piranha Plant, just like any character who wasn’t playable before.
Admittedly, there's not much to go off of for either "interpretation" of this. In terms of what Reggie said really is up to interpretation, and though I can attempt to persuade you and vice versa, there's no objectively incorrect one unless Reggie decides to step forward now and clarify what he meant, but seeing as he's not working at Nintendo anymore...
You can try but I will never be convinced to change my mind. Reggie said “Waluigi isn’t part of the series” therefore, he isn’t part of the series until he is playable like Joker. He shouldn’t have said that if Waluigi was part of the series as an NPCs. Piranha Plant is also not part of the series until it became playable. And who knows what characters will become playable after the Plant be it as DLC or future installments. I’m sure some are dead-set that there will be “familiar franchise characters” will join the series like Dixie Kong, or Isaac, or Krystal.
As I've noted before, I was speaking specifically about the notion of Fighters' Passes. Not DLC characters outside of the fighters passes, nor mii costumes.
And like I said before,
It is currently subjective how you interpret what Reggie said. What is objective is the fact that, as stated multiple times already, no character in the Fighters Pass thus far has been in smash in any shape or form, franchises included.
Sure, sure, if that's what you think. Suit yourself. Reminds me of those guys who thinks K. Rook and Ridley will never be playable since they have a 1 in 5 chance.
Ironically, I was one of the people pushing and begging for Sakurai to be in Smash during Smash 4's speculation era. The difference between this and then is that instead of "Too big" or "Too irrelevant", it's "Already represented in Smash in some shape or form".
So I should assume 2B's heavy armor is excluded because you don't want it. Correct?
It was excluded out of my own laziness..I couldn't find a good piece of official artwork or a render of it unmasked and I was too lazy to edit one. I was also considering how much it would be wanted by fans..its kind of a lesser important costume rather than one that people tend to think of like her default, battle damaged, or Kainé's costume, so I don't know if it would be considered a high enough priority to actually make due to that..kinda like other characters in Smash that have alts they could have used but didn't.So I should assume 2B's heavy armor is excluded because you don't want it. Correct?
I thought of that too, it just wouldn't show too well on the sprites I used for the alts..like having the flower for the Kainé colour.Nah, I think she just forgot. Anyway, on the subject of alts, I think the blue or pink ribbons would be simple yet effective.
I wore either or during the entirety of my playthrough because of their sentimental value (*cries in Machine Village*). I even put the bows on 2B in Soul Calibur lol.
This is one piece of good artwork, i really like this.
I skipped out on Drakengard 2 because it doesn't seem to have that Yoko Taro charm from what I've heard. Is there actually something worth experiencing there?
Would be great if they could finally localize NieR:Replicant.
I don't think her cleavage is a problem either, look at Bayonetta 1 Bayonetta. Her leotard thing is a problem because it doesn't actually cover her "cheeks" not to mention the cut in the skirt portion of her dress shows way too much skin. Palutena's visible leg window in her dress had to be smaller, female Corrin had to be given full-on spats to not show any noticeable panties, and Bayonetta 2 Bayonetta's leg windows had to be darkened as well so they no doubt would also censor 2B despite being DLC. They would probably address her issues by making the cut in the skirt smaller or cover it altogether and place a black void underneath. I would hope they'd not give her full-on spats. Trying to imagine it.
What is that about number 21?
