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Explanation please. Peach is top 5. She's a solo viable character that wins majors. Falcon doesn't win majors.falcon and peach switch
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Explanation please. Peach is top 5. She's a solo viable character that wins majors. Falcon doesn't win majors.falcon and peach switch
My buddy is a really good Ness player. From what he's told me about his Ness struggles, it is definitely a bottom tier character. When you devote a lot of time to a low tier, you notice all of their flaws. Same thing happened with me and Bowser. At first I thought I could be the one to discover something new and change him, but he really just sucks looolFor a bit I thought that Ness was underrated, but now I def think he's bottom 3
G&W that low? no man put Kirby there then its goodSuper Majors
1. Fox
2. Falco/Marth
3. Falco/Marth
APEX Winners
4. Sheik
5. ICs
6. C. Falcon
Big Locals (thats a thing)
7. Jigglypuff
8. Peach
Xanadu
9. Pikachu
10. Luigi
11. Samus
12. Mario
13. Yoshi
Small Locals
14. Ganondorf/Doc
15. Yung Lonk
16. Expand Dong
17. Lonk
18. Ness
Friendlies
19. Zelda
20. MEWTWOOOO!!!!!
21. Pichu
22. Roy
23. Kirby
24. G&W
25. Bowser
26. Roy (inb4 a skilled roy can beat any fox)
Game and Watch has no one playing him, atleast Kirby has Triple R.G&W that low? no man put Kirby there then its good
still Kirby sucksGame and Watch has no one playing him, atleast Kirby has Triple R.
Ummmm....Game and Watch has no one playing him, atleast Kirby has Triple R.
Well after allUmmmm....
Qerb and Phenom
Both I'm sure national players will say their G&Ws are better than Triple R's Kirby
Earlier in this thread you can read up on the obvious reasons G&W is considered better than Kirby.
If you're just going to put memes [Lonk, Dong] into your list I'm not going to take you seriously. That being said, what on earth are Falcon and ICs doing above peach and Jigglypuff? Based on the names of your tiers, then Peach should be in one of the top 2 brackets. [Armada this year won EVO, came second at APEX, won CEO, won Big house, etc. with Peach. Falcon hasn't gotten into top 8 at any of those events.]Super Majors
1. Fox
2. Falco/Marth
3. Falco/Marth
APEX Winners
4. Sheik
5. ICs
6. C. Falcon
Big Locals (thats a thing)
7. Jigglypuff
8. Peach
Xanadu
9. Pikachu
10. Luigi
11. Samus
12. Mario
13. Yoshi
Small Locals
14. Ganondorf/Doc
15. Yung Lonk
16. Expand Dong
17. Lonk
18. Ness
These are ok
19. Zelda
20. MEWTWOOOO!!!!!
21. Pichu
22. G&W
If I see you ****ing playing these characters.
22. (this was a mistake, cus i put falco and marth on the same stuff)
23. Roy
24. Kirby
24. Bowser
25. Roy
Lack of representation ≠ a character doesn't have potential. No one very noteworthy currently plays Doc (except probably SmashMac) yet Shroomed placed very high with him back in the days.Game and Watch has no one playing him, atleast Kirby has Triple R.
put Yoshi above mario Gannon and Maybe Doc then its goodSorry for double posting, but here's my list.
S Tier:
A+ Tier:
A Tier:
A- Tier:
B+ Tier:
B Tier:
B- Tier:
C+ Tier:
C tier:
Definitely don't see Phenom being better than Triple R. With that said, QERB is likely better, and G&W is definitely better than Kirby.
Explanation please. Peach is top 5. She's a solo viable character that wins majors. Falcon doesn't win majors.
falcon is higher than peach because some S tiers above peach have been considered not in her favour, whereas with falcon its quite close to 50/50 with some (marth). and there are many falcons, and many that do good. armada has said there's peach matchups within S tiers that are definitely not in peaches favour.
I think that both Triple R is better than Phenom and that Triple R is better at Kirby than Phenom is at G&W. That's based solely on VODs of the players involved.read....
Phenom's G&W is better than Triple R's Kirby
Even if for some misguided reason you actually think someone that plays in the midwest is better than someone that plays in NorCal/SoCal AND uses a better character.....it's sort of silly to make such a bold statement as if you know this as fact (clearly you don't know what it's like to play outside your easy region)
I have a question about #16.Super Majors
1. Fox
2. Falco/Marth
3. Falco/Marth
APEX Winners
4. Sheik
5. ICs
6. C. Falcon
Big Locals (thats a thing)
7. Jigglypuff
8. Peach
Xanadu
9. Pikachu
10. Luigi
11. Samus
12. Mario
13. Yoshi
Small Locals
14. Ganondorf/Doc
15. Yung Lonk
16. Expand Dong
17. Lonk
18. Ness
These are ok
19. Zelda
20. MEWTWOOOO!!!!!
21. Pichu
22. G&W
If I see you ****ing playing these characters.
22. (this was a mistake, cus i put falco and marth on the same stuff)
23. Roy
24. Kirby
24. Bowser
25. Roy
I'm all about Luigi, but putting him at #8 and above Peach and Falcon is far-fetched. Please explain why they're that low and why ICs is #6.S Tier
A Tier
(Would have been Pikachu, but TBH5)
B Tier
C Tier
F Tier
Sveet says he's still working on it and that he hopes to have it done before Kings of the North 4.Was the tier list released, or are we still waiting?
I can maybe see Luigi above Falcon (but I'm ultra biased), but above peach? How does Luigi better deal with the top tiers than Peach? Like against Fox, Falcon, Falco, and maybe IC's, Luigi can manage. But Sheik and Marth and Puff are pretty nasty. Peach at least has a decent projectiles so some of the top tiers have to approach. I honestly would have Peach, Luigi, Falcon, Samus, Pikachu as my A. Also why the DK love? Not disagreeing, just curious how he is better than Links and Mewtwo? Was it Westballz play? Everything else I can agree on (maybe not Roy, but doesn't really matter).S Tier
A Tier
(Would have been Pikachu, but TBH5)
B Tier
C Tier
F Tier
I'm getting really sick of people thinking Falcon is better than Peach...A TIER
This makes no sense.
This thread is providing me substantial comedic reliefIt's funny cause he plays Mario in two of the other games. You'd think he would not forget Mario. I think Peach is better, but there isn't a huge amount of evidence. Like Armada's just plain good. Other Falcons place higher most of the time than MacD. It's a bit hard to tell.
Even outside of placements, Peach is a better character. Falcon's approaches and neutral are inconsistent and Commital, and his recovery is very easy to edgeguard. On top of that, Peach has better matchups with Fox, Falco, the Ice Climbers, and Pikachu, where the only edge [top tier] Falcon has on Peach is a better matchup vs. Marth.It's funny cause he plays Mario in two of the other games. You'd think he would not forget Mario. I think Peach is better, but there isn't a huge amount of evidence. Like Armada's just plain good. Other Falcons place higher most of the time than MacD. It's a bit hard to tell.
Chu actually had to beat a lot of good players including, KirbyKaze, Laudandus, Swedish Delight, Silent Wolf and Westballz to make top 8.IC's is really only represented by Nintendude and Fly at the high level arent they? Chu only had to beat hugs to get top 8 evo (who he has owned the whole time they have been playing all the way back to the mlg era)
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(SSBM) Peach has a +2 matchup in S tier. Falcon has 2 -2 matchups.I agree peach is better from an observational viewpoint, but is there enough tourney information to absolutely justify it? Plus where did you get those matchups from? I'm just curious but some matchups might be more opinion based than objective. So while you might be sick of seeing Falcon above Peach, I don't know if you can 100% dispute it.