Although grounded needles mess with shl, they dont force falco to approach. Because the lasors are low, I approach high and dont seem to get the same shield pressure that the falco can from the air. After thinking about it for a good while today i think i was trying to beat falco at falco's game. I played with DUB for about 6 hours yesterday all falco vs shiek. I took all of the matches on FoD, but everything else was in his favor. He was playing well and it was frustrating because we usually go even. Ill adapt....no worries. We are getting good. Oh and thanks for the help. If you dont mind I might be asking you little questions that I have as you probably know shiek better than i do.