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[LRodC]

*Hopes that Rosalina and Yoshi don't get touched and that Palutena and Charizard are blessed with a wave of the magic Buff Wand*







... And Mewtwo and Lucas could also use a couple more buffs

I want Zelda and Jigglypuff to get the most buffs. Although I'm not exactly sure where I'd even start on Jigglypuff. Dedede could afford some as well, even if it's just getting his down throw follow ups back from 1.0.3.

I'm not much of a fan of nerfs, but I do think slight nerfs to Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Meta Knight would be healthy if they don't go overboard. Diddy was handled well IMO.

I also wonder if Cloud will be nerfed at all.

 

[Metallinatus]

I want Zelda and Jigglypuff to get the most buffs. Although I'm not exactly sure where I'd even start on Jigglypuff. Dedede could afford some as well, even if it's just getting his down throw follow ups back from 1.0.3.

I'm not much of a fan of nerfs, but I do think slight nerfs to Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Meta Knight would be healthy if they don't go overboard. Diddy was handled well IMO.

I also wonder if Cloud will be nerfed at all.

Ganon needs more, he needs to lose 70 frames on all of his moves, and need Sheik-like landing lag. Then he can become middle-tier.
And if you want nefs, they should take all those frames and put at the end of every Sonic move, nobody deserves to have to deal with such safe annoying spam....

 

[Sensane]

WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 7:00 JUST TO GET THE NEW PATCH?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

 

[DrRiceBoy]

Roy is underrated IMO. He's pretty quick and has good frame data. He also kills early, but his kills rely a bit on reads. I honestly think he's at least mid-low tier.

 

[420quickscoper]

Could we just talk about Mewtwo's forward air and stuff?
Do some of you guys even know what that THING is capable of.
Mewtwo's forward air is like a jack of all trades, master of all.
Think about it.
Combos, frame 6, has high damage (13%), edge guards, kills... what else could you want? This move is plain overpowered.

 

[BarSoapSoup]

Could we just talk about Mewtwo's forward air and stuff?
Do some of you guys even know what that THING is capable of.
Mewtwo's forward air is like a jack of all trades, master of all.
Think about it.
Combos, frame 6, has high damage (13%), edge guards, kills... what else could you want? This move is plain overpowered.

It has better range but it's not an overpowered move, in my opinion. Although I do love how if I get a F-Air to F-Air combo from the ledge on a lighter character, say, Pikachu, it winds up killing them <3

 

[420quickscoper]

It has better range but it's not an overpowered move, in my opinion. Although I do love how if I get a F-Air to F-Air combo from the ledge on a lighter character, say, Pikachu, it winds up killing them <3

Eh, yeah, probably not overpowered but it is SOOOOOOOOO good. Easily top 5 f-airs in the game.

 

[LRodC]

Yeah, it's not OP. The low range and small hitbox keep it in check from being too ridiculous. It's probably up there with down tilt and shadow ball in terms of his best moves though and it's definitely top 5 in the game.

If the forward air had a larger downward hitbox to hit more characters in a short hop, then I'd possibly consider the move to be a little OP.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

What if the Pokemon Company decided to make his F-air into an actual Pokemon move and give it a name?

 

[420quickscoper]

Yeah, it's not OP. The low range and small hitbox keep it in check from being too ridiculous. It's probably up there with down tilt and shadow ball in terms of his best moves though and it's definitely top 5 in the game.

If the forward air had a larger downward hitbox to hit more characters in a short hop, then I'd possibly consider the move to be a little OP.

The range doesn't really matter too much anyways since you're going to get a lot of down tilt into it. Also, phasing with fair. Just. Phasing with fair.

Currently I think it's his best move.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

What if the Pokemon Company decided to make his F-air into an actual Pokemon move and give it a name?

Probably Psycho Cut. The move already exists but it works.

 

[LRodC]

What if the Pokemon Company decided to make his F-air into an actual Pokemon move and give it a name?

Shadow Claw. People already call it that now.

 

[420quickscoper]

Shadow Claw. People already call it that now.

Except for the fact that Mewtwo can't learn Shadow Claw :I

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

Probably Psycho Cut. The move already exists but it works.

Psycho Cut looks more like you're shooting energy though. Aesthetically looks similar to Cloud's neutral B IMO.

 

[LRodC]

Except for the fact that Mewtwo can't learn Shadow Claw :I

That's really strange. It has to be a priority for Game Freak in the next game then.

 

[The Legendary DJXYZ]

I missed a lot... I think Roy's spot is justified, but you all know what I think about Roy... (for those who weren't here I bashed Roy a couple pages back, in regards to why I'm fine playing Corrin)

That said, my personal tier list will be changing tonight anyway, so does it matter?

 

[Aninymouse]

What if the Pokemon Company decided to make his F-air into an actual Pokemon move and give it a name?

...Shadow Claw?

 

[DrRiceBoy]

Update is out!!! Squeeeee

 

[Aninymouse]

HOLY **** THEY FIXED UTILT'S HITBOX SIZE

 

[Yonder]

HOLY **** THEY FIXED UTILT'S HITBOX SIZE

As long as it doesn't interfere with u tilt to u smash at all, I'm on board, that was the last broken hitbox I could think of.

 

[Murlough]

Did they change down throw at all?

 

[Aninymouse]

As long as it doesn't interfere with u tilt to u smash at all, I'm on board, that was the last broken hitbox I could think of.

Okay, so you know how Mewtwo's tail has 3 hitboxes, right? When you do Utilt it now extends out in front of you like Dtilt and arcs around to about 45° behind you, not quite a hitbox buff on the back end, but it hits way out in front, now.

Anyway, only the MIDDLE hitbox links to Usmash on Marth around 0-26% or so. I can't get it to true combo in training mode, though, even if it sets up for it perfectly, angle-wise... Maybe only on fastfallers/heavyweights?

If you hit with the tail tip, it sends them skidding along the ground in front of you quite a ways. I dunno... if this is good or really bad.

The sweetspot right next to Mewtwo has high knockback. I never tested what percent Utilt kills but it looks like it'd about kill Marth on Wii U FD at maybe 130-150%? In that range. Way too much knockback to combo into anything but a rising aerial at mid to high percents.

I don't remember Utilt's damage numbers but that would likely be the only move with damage changes, unless something got 0.5% or something.

 

[Igzex]

I like to call forward air the psychic sumo slap

 

[Yonder]

Okay, so you know how Mewtwo's tail has 3 hitboxes, right? When you do Utilt it now extends out in front of you like Dtilt and arcs around to about 45° behind you, not quite a hitbox buff on the back end, but it hits way out in front, now.

Anyway, only the MIDDLE hitbox links to Usmash on Marth around 0-26% or so. I can't get it to true combo in training mode, though, even if it sets up for it perfectly, angle-wise... Maybe only on fastfallers/heavyweights?

If you hit with the tail tip, it sends them skidding along the ground in front of you quite a ways. I dunno... if this is good or really bad.

The sweetspot right next to Mewtwo has high knockback. I never tested what percent Utilt kills but it looks like it'd about kill Marth on Wii U FD at maybe 130-150%? In that range. Way too much knockback to combo into anything but a rising aerial at mid to high percents.

I don't remember Utilt's damage numbers but that would likely be the only move with damage changes, unless something got 0.5% or something.

Anyways, according to a twitter user data mining, might be placebo...

 

[Aninymouse]

Anyways, according to a twitter user data mining, might be placebo...

I saw ShinyQuagsire's post.

People are reporting changes to Lucas Fair, Ganondorf Up B, and of course my observation.

Either his list is inconclusive or people (like me) are placeboing hard. I do NOT remember Utilt being like this, it matches the animation perfectly now.

Remember in 1.1.3 when we found the Shadow Ball change that their data mining missed? Don't count characters out just yet.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

...Shadow Claw?

As said earlier, Mewtwo doesn't learn Shadow Claw. He doesn't even have claws! They should either give him Shadow Claw or a new move called "Shadow Paw".

Or just a new psychic type move that fits the description.

 

[Yonder]

I saw ShinyQuagsire's post.

People are reporting changes to Lucas Fair, Ganondorf Up B, and of course my observation.

Either his list is inconclusive or people (like me) are placeboing hard. I do NOT remember Utilt being like this, it matches the animation perfectly now.

Remember in 1.1.3 when we found the Shadow Ball change that their data mining missed? Don't count characters out just yet.

Idk, it seems to still randomly whiff standing in its range with some characters, I tried it on Ness in training. One of us is placeboing, I hope yours is right though lol.

 

[Aninymouse]

Idk, it seems to still randomly whiff standing in its range with some characters, I tried it on Ness in training. One of us is placeboing, I hope yours is right though lol.

The front-facing portion seems to have changed, not the rear so much. Which hitbox are you hitting with?

 

[Nobie]

If Mewtwo gets not a single buff this patch I'll still be satisfied. Last patch was so good for team M2 that I can't complain.

 

[Aninymouse]

If Mewtwo gets not a single buff this patch I'll still be satisfied. Last patch was so good for team M2 that I can't complain.

Agreed 100%.

 

[LRodC]

I noticed up tilt being different too. Strange. Oh well, regardless, I'm satisfied at the moment with where Mewtwo is.

 

[Aninymouse]

I noticed up tilt being different too. Strange. Oh well, regardless, I'm satisfied at the moment with where Mewtwo is.

Okay, so I'm not the only one!

Maybe it was just an aesthetic change? But I could swear Utilt is different.

 

[CrimsonRick117]

So... Mewtwo for Bayonetta counter character?....

 

[Metros]

So... Mewtwo for Bayonetta counter character?....

Really need to figure out this match up. I played Mewtwo against her and just could not get in. I think, I won maybe one match? But this was also against the best player in our state so I can't really compare just yet.

 

[TailLover]

looks like no Mewtwo changes, shame, he's so close to high/top tier now and a slight push is all he would have needed. That said he's very good now so no complaints.

Now that the patch is out I need to 100% solidify my mains, I currently have Cloud and Mewtwo, now I need to try Corrin and Bayonetta and see if they will add onto or replace anyone. Due to my love for tails though I will no drop Mewtwo, I NEED at least one tailed character in my arsenal.

 

[Deleted member]

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[Aninymouse]

Sorry for placeboing everyone.

I could have sworn Utilt changed. Oh well.

 

[meleebrawler]

This patch seems to be all about the Fire Emblem characters.

 

[BarSoapSoup]

On the bright side, any strings involving U-tilt don't have to be edited.

This patch seems to be all about the Fire Emblem characters.

The vanilla 3 got stronger aerials. Hate that Ike got a buff, he's an MU I struggle with as Bowser and I'm too nervous to use Mewtwo against him.

Roy got less landing lag.

 

[CryoGX]

Been outta the Mewtwo game for ages and then I heard he was buffed a while ago, even though it wasn't in weight.

To celebrate Bayonetta coming in, we're gonna be comin' back to the Mewtwo hype train for real, fam. (Okay I was gonna do it regardless).

Right now it looks like this:

Main -> Sonic
Second -> Kirby
Tertiary -> Mewtwo

Research on the side -> Bayo