If they're one-shot I don't see what's wrong with that.
This is stupid right now because everyone's being an idiot and thinking they can claim whenever and it'll actually mean something. I don't remember being promised this was a vanilla setup.
Adum I'm not sure why you're coming at me so hard all of a sudden. Your case is ***.
Can we lynch Gheb now and worry about dumb vig claims toMorrow?
Because one vig claims and the other is put in a position to use their shot on them instantly, making their role pretty much useless? What type of player is honestly going to think "You know, I think they may actually be a second vig. That totally makes sense." in a non Bad Idea Mafia game? Like, how many games has this actually happened in?
Also:
"Despite what the theme suggests there's a distinct mechanical order underneath the gossamer shine of this mafia unicorn. And while one of my goals was not to give a vast majority of players a boring role, I've been very conscientious to keep a balance of fun and function. Without telling too much, this game is actually less PR dependent than several other notable DGames. It's certainly no "C9", but it's not "Final Fantasy Tactics" either. It straddles a line that I think the majority of DGames will enjoy. But by no means will the results of the game be as random as the setting. Marshy probably doesn't remember reviewing this setup anymore, but he did back in the queue days: and he liked what he saw at first as well as what it ended up becoming based on his feedback. (Woah that was already over a year ago I pitched this setup to the queue mods? WOW. Remember that thing we used to have called a queue? This setup remembers.)"
If there are two one-shot vig's, a 3 person scum team can lose by Day 2. A 4 person mafia team can win by Night 2.
Closed setup =/= Bad Idea Mafia.
If this were actually a set up with two legitimate Vig's, even if they were one shot, I fail to see that setup getting approved for being "Balanced".
The only reason why I regret my claim and can (and probably will end up) town read(ing) FML is because of the fact that they're probably a pop-gun Vig. Like, their play makes it obvious as such.
ALSO, Joey's counter-claim seemed really really really off just like so wrong just so bad I mean like it really concerned my I'm not sure we can trust our detective anymore do you know what I'm saying?
it just... it just doesn't make sense man.. it doesn't make sense. why would you.... why would you counter-claim in a game with 0 confirmed roles? it just doesn't work that way.... duplicates can exist.. we know nothing..... why would joey do it? dr. detective sherlock hound was already town-read by most.... so did they think they could just pull a fast one..?
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even if we were to prove that our detective was a 1-shot vig, that still wouldn't even be real evidence of FML's guilt. and even if it could be used as evidence, why counter-claim NOW? why not hold off on revealing your role until you've tried to get them lynched through other means? this is incredibly fishy.
Unvote, Vote: Detective Sherlock Hound
Do you honestly believe that there can be two of any role in any specific non-open game?
You have to use a bit of logic on this. Common sense pretty much shuts down most mod's ideas about having two of the same role. Two docs? You're having two slots protected at night, and if a doc states that they are doc and somehow confirms it, they can protect one another. That's potentially two confirmed townies that can protect one another. It makes the set up too town sided.
Two cops? That's two slots that can get the alignment of any member of the town. If the best case scenario happens, they can find two scum in one night. Imagine if they both claim that they are cops with guilty results D2. That means that scum has to guess which cop is protected, but has to shoot one because there are two cops on the search for him.
Two one shot vigs? Worst case scenario three townies (at least) dead in one night. 9 people alive in Day 2. Lylo Day 3. Or if 4 scum team, Lylo D2. Best case scenario scum gets 2/3 (or 2/4) shot and the game can end before D2 even starts. I have no reason to believe that any moderator goes into a setup that he actually thinks is decent with potential for the game to end after one day phase for town or two day phases for scum.
Also, the FML wagon has been consistently going for more than an ingame day now. People have been scum reading him on and off for multiple parts of the day. The reason I claimed is because of the way he was posting, and before the idea of a pop-gun vig came to mind, the fact that people were town-reading him as dumb-rake for claiming that way and we were going to have to scramble for another lynch at the end of a day phase = me wanting to solidify a lynch on a scum read. Counter claiming is a great way to do this.
If I thought that the lynch could go through without me counter claiming, then I wouldn't have claimed. If I would have considered the idea of a pop-gun Vig, I wouldn't have claimed. I still think it's a bad setup if someone can claim one-shot vig with another one-shot vig in the game because of the fact that it's the easiest role to solve CC disputes with in mafia (real vig shoots the fake one), and it makes the one-shot vig then useless because he wasted a shot on a popgun for a very good reason and the set up is basically altogether playing against the vig in the scenario that the fake one claims.
and was this legit.. or was it acting? you were just so confident that FML must be lying, but now you're complaining about a multi-vig setup? HM
Like, if I shoot him and he flips (real) Vig, my half is replacing out. My post was pretty straight forward.
Also, reading a scenario is part of playing the game. Of course I'm reluctant to believe FML, but this town has made it pretty clear that FML isn't a goal today regardless of my counter claim (especially with the idea that he can be a pop-gun which nullifies the counter claim altogether). Also, popgun makes sense with their results and it also makes sense with the flavor. Not a fan of the set up regardless if he's telling the truth.
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Vote: Gheb
Plan B boyz.