ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[#HBC | Joker]

I got curious and did a cursory scan of the game. Holy ****, you guys.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Dietz and I went full bat **** ******** ham. It kind of worked

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Dietz and I went full bat **** ******** ham. It kind of worked

Spoiler

 

[Ashemu]

i coasted bc i could not get a grip on thegame once role shenans kicked in. felt that i would be doing both town and myself (irl) a favor by kicking back and sheeping instead of thinking into things too much

knowing when to sheep is a vital mafia talent

 

[FullMetalLynch]

But it was so much fun

 

[ranmaru]

I myself had trouble getting a handle on the role shenanigans.

 

[Rockin]

Okay. Then we have nothing to talk about. I'm not interested in making you regret your attitude, but you must at least realize how poor a team player you were. If you're comfortable being that, that's fine. I won't expect any better of you in the future.

Yeah, I knew I was a poor teammate at the end.

It wasn't originally intended, but I pretty much just gave up on town when I got lynched. Twice I wanted WATT lynched, and it got ingored (and then I was lynched on the 3rd day). It's pretty discouraging, up to the point where I don't want to help town. If I was lynched for a more legit reason, then fine, I'd tell my thoughts and all. But with the way the players were acting, and their psudo baits and whatnot, I was like 'man why even bother?'

If you don't expect better of me in future games, that's fine. I got no problem with that (really, I wasn't even playing any Mafia games previously). In either case, I don't think I'll appear in future games anyway (really, I only played cause Macman asked me)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ #HBC | Dark Horse

Could you please post all the Night Actions? I'll need them for the dGames TCG achievements.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah but you were ultimately lynched by total accident. No one knew that both Ryu and Watt were scum. You have to think of the rest of the town and what they were thinking. Obv I was thinking you possibly were just town looking at watt, but after that and Mac jailing you and no kill, it was easy to think you were scum cornered. I was thinking you may have been Ruy's buddy. But Watt was traitor. Who knew.

Also consider that DH had rarely had vote counts up. It was hard to always know how much votes were on people. It was easy to just vote willy nilly and then be like "****... sorry hammered you by accident" it's not like we meant to quick lynch you without a claim dude. :/ For that I'm sorry. But anyways I posted that blue dot you asked for! Lol. A little late though.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yeah, I knew I was a poor teammate at the end.

It wasn't originally intended, but I pretty much just gave up on town when I got lynched. Twice I wanted WATT lynched, and it got ingored (and then I was lynched on the 3rd day). It's pretty discouraging, up to the point where I don't want to help town. If I was lynched for a more legit reason, then fine, I'd tell my thoughts and all. But with the way the players were acting, and their psudo baits and whatnot, I was like 'man why even bother?'

If you don't expect better of me in future games, that's fine. I got no problem with that (really, I wasn't even playing any Mafia games previously). In either case, I don't think I'll appear in future games anyway (really, I only played cause Macman asked me)

Except that the reason that town lynched you was cuz we were all just as confused as you were. No kill happened and you were jailed. If you were here to speak maybe something different would've happened, like Ran confirming his letter from you. I hope you don't act this way in the real world when things happen not to go your way cuz that's a TERRIBLE social skill.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

N1:
Joey abducts Ran
Rockin sends a message to Ran
WATT stalks circus
Ashemu neighborizes circus
Rake tracks gorf
Macman jails Moira
Gorf voyeurs WATT
NL kills/jans gheb
Moira gives an item to NL (fails due to macman's jail)

N2:
Macman jails rockin
J gives circus an item
Rake tracks circus
NL kills WATT (fails due to WATT being a traitor)
Gorf voyeurs WATT
WATT stalks NL

N3:
Gorf voyeurs macman
J gives an item to macman
Macman jails NL
Rake tracks Ashemu
WATT stalks Ashemu
NL kills rake (fails due to macman)

N4:
Macman jails NL
Gorf voyeurs NL
Rake tracks Gorf
NL kills rake (fails due to macman)

i still never got my n4 item from j

That's because J submitted his action 4 hours after the deadline

 

[Jdietz43]

Spoiler

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Trading cards coming soon.

 

[Xivii]

@ Ashemu your raw deductive reasoning potential is off the charts. There were many times throughout the game that you deduced something about scum within seconds of one of our posts. (Hence why I had that random impulse to message you about your awesomeness). The only issue is that you end up thinking of all the different possibilities and don't really hone in on just one. I feel that you should backtrack/weigh the options less and stick with your number one intuition.

There were also a lot of times that you would post the exact thing I was going to post right before I did so. You actually think about things in a similar fashion as I (Hence why I would like to hydra with you sometime).

Also it's funny how upset you get over being called scum.

@ ranmaru good ****. Your reads are good, but your cases are a pain to read. When you feel you've caught onto something, try and play it cool. Don't antagonize people. Make your claim, and then detach yourself a bit. Even if a person is scum, not EVERYTHING they do is a scum tell.

@ #HBC | Mac the worst thing about this game was not being town with you. You had that "man I want to follow this guy" hbc aura going on. You kept town stabilized and going in good directions throughout the game. You were probably the most active, and every single one of your posts was worth reading. You played your hated role perfectly, being so obv town that hardly anyone ever considered wagoning you. Town played well in general, but if we still did MVP it would defs go to you.

@Circus I think you're one of the scariest players to play against. I really wish I could be on your side for once. I feel like I've had to be on the opposing alignment in almost every game we've played in together. You have the same authoritative tone as town as you do as scum, and it's just like man I don't know what to do in face of that.

@ #HBC | Gorf ugh your voyeur was so annoying. I really did thing that there were two teams, and that you were WATTs scumbuddy for a good portion of the game. It just felt like you were on his side .-.

@Moira you had soup and I both freaked out and excited when you came into the D3 talking about losing our virginity. We didn't know why our kill was blocked and had to just go along with you. I was really scared you would see through me, but hoped that my town reading of you would come off as super towny zen. Your obsession with WATT in hindsight was very detrimental to us. If he had not claimed D1, this game might have gone a bit better on our end.

@ Rockin Your lynch was completely logical. You were roleblocked and there was no kill. Not to mention it was an accidental hammer (by scum). It was pretty ill of you leave town hangin like that man.

@ Jdietz43 I had to go with Moira's claim because I had already built it up as if I knew what she was talking about. Which I did because I felt that not doing so would somehow incriminate us. We were completely taken unawares on the no kill. Was afraid Moira had something to do with it.

Yeah I should have noticed that traitor crumb. When I read it originally I was just like "man that was an odd comment", but didn't think anything else of it lol. By that time, I had pretty much stopped looking at the game in full depth. There were too many PR claims and too many unknowns. Nothing made sense from our perspective.

@Wots All This Then? Man I think that bussing either of the scum was the worst possible thing you could have done. It left both of us alone and stranded. Soup and I were left informationless and you incriminated yourself in the process. I think it would have just been better to take the hit for Ruy. Somehow make him look better out of it by completely blotching your watcher counterclaim.

Your cop gambit could have turned things around for us, and it might have, had it not been for DH's error, but it's probably the worst thing that a traitor could claim. You basically made yourself a spotlight for the night kill, and upon your death you leave a trail of faked night actions for town to follow. Much of our focus was trying to get you killed either by night kill or lynch because we thought you were the cop. Of course after you innoed us we didn't want you dead because we didn't want you to flip naiive. If you were going the cop route, you should have made it your primary objective to keep scum from targeting you for the kill. For that purpose, we should have been your n1 target.

I will say that your role is one of the most difficult to play. I just feel you guys were far too focused on your own survival, and we suffered for it. Ryker might have done something like counterclaim his mate and claim cop, but he would also be active and aggressive enough to make it worth somethin. Nah'm sayin?

@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake Your inferiority complex is mad wack yo. You gotta start treating people with respect and consider that other people feel as unvoiced and underdogged as you do. You want to be heard, but you don't listen to others. If you had taken the wine and tracked NL N2, the game would have ended a day earlier. Instead of trying to be above and beyond the game, try and be a part of it, you know? Everyone has something to offer. Try n consider another person's perspective and treat it with as much respect as you do your own. It just feels like you're kind of always putting on this act of building yourself up and putting down others. We aren't your punk ass high school *******. We're your friends. Your homies. And we see you. Now take the time and see us.

lulzen

@ ~ Gheb ~ word.

 

[ranmaru]

What do you mean by antagonize? Give me an example and I'll mull it over. Thanks <3

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

So what you're saying is that I'm awesome and you appreciate me for being awesome.

 

[Xivii]

I can't read you that's for sure ;_;

@Ran back and forth with NL d1. Back and forth with Joey d1. Constant attempt to get me to self vote. etc. Your bloodlust basically. I have it too so I know.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh my bloodlust. I see. I think with Joey it's a different thing. I just posted my reasoning for Joeyscum and he comes outta no where with that OOMPH and I have to respond back or he'll be like HEY WHERES RAN HE ISN'T RESPONDING TO ME.

But yeah I know what you mean. I'll try to quell my bloodlust in a self-quick topic then. That might help.

I'm sorry but i can't help having an emotionally over-whelming urge to kill scum when I see them (or I think I see them). I mean that's basically why I put so much effort into my case on you (regardless of how much it sux).

 

[Ashemu]

zen i only get mad at ppl who think im scum when its for bad reasons, however all possible reasons for thinking im scum are bad

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Dietz and I went full bat **** ******** ham. It kind of worked

nah man

i hope you guys don't think what you did was anything but terrible

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Achievements:

Standard #1: Successfully prevent a mafia Night Kill [for Protective Roles and Roleblockers] - Macman x2
Standard #2: Be either first or last on the lynch of a player of opposing alignment [for all other roles] - Gorf x2, Rake, WATT

Major: Hammer 2 players of opposing alignment [excluding 3rd party roles] - nobody
Legend: Win the game having only been on lynches of opposing alignment - nobody

Since Rake, Orbo and Dietz all don't play the dGames TCG only Macman and Gorf receive cards. They get two common ones each.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Wait nevermind

 

[Rockin]

Achievements:

Standard #1: Successfully prevent a mafia Night Kill [for Protective Roles and Roleblockers] - Macman x2
Standard #2: Be either first or last on the lynch of a player of opposing alignment [for all other roles] - Gorf x2, Rake, WATT

Major: Hammer 2 players of opposing alignment [excluding 3rd party roles] - nobody
Legend: Win the game having only been on lynches of opposing alignment - nobody

Since Rake, Orbo and Dietz all don't play the dGames TCG only Macman and Gorf receive cards. They get two common ones each.

...what?

when did Mafia games turned to Xbox achievements?

 

[Gova]

Since we got a trading card game.

Though personally, I think everyone should just get a random card for playing without breaking any rules or getting a prod.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Raketarded and yet all my scum reads were spot on. Makes perfect sense.

I'll admit i was wrong about rockin and gorf though, *shrug

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Raketarded and yet all my scum reads were spot on. Makes perfect sense.

I'll admit i was wrong about rockin and gorf though, *shrug

Nah.

Your aggressive playing resulted in a lot of clashes that were unnecessary. You handled your gorf track awfully. Your tracks were completely off the mark.

If you think having the right reads this game (Which, outside of NL, wasn't that much of an accomplishment) is the only thing that matters, then you're sorely mistaken.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow, DH, nailed it right on the head.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

meh

 

[ranmaru]

still waiting on comments from DH :D

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Here's some quick comments for you, Ran:

I think the biggest thing you have to work on is accurate reads. Sometimes, I feel like you should take a step back and think "Does this make enough sense to convince other people?" This would likely prevent you from coming up with bizarre conclusions like how you had macman and moira as scumbuddies. Before making cases, you should also ask "Do I have enough evidence for a case?" I think the reason why your cases are infamous is because when you make them, there's not enough out there to make a decent case, resulting in cases feeling very reachy (which goes back to the first question in this post).

I get the vibe that you're a very impulsive player. Try and cut back on that.

 

[ranmaru]

Hmm alright, thanks. I'll try to consider that before making cases. (On there being not enough evidence out there, I guess I should wait it out a bit more then?)

and yeah I'm a bit impulsive.

 

[Xivii]

Before making cases, you should also ask "Do I have enough evidence for a case?"

This for sure.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Feedback game on POINT

 

[Ashemu]

cases feeling very reachy

yea this is why i found ran super weird ed1

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah that's just me thinking "Ok! Time to put effort into this! :D" and what comes out is crap. I try to show what i see but people just get the feel that I'm reaching on purpose. EVEN MY OWN HYDRA PARTNER, VANDY, FELT I WAS REACHING AS TOWN... looool

I'll try to get more evidence somehow

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'll try to get more evidence somehow

Nonononononononono, Ran, do not hunt down more evidence to make your cases "more convincing". The thing that you need to do, is not make cases that don't have good evidence. Sometimes you're just wrong, man. You gotta step back and say "This case I'm trying to build, it sucks. Maybe that's because I'm wrong, and I should reconsider my reads."

There's a huge difference between "not putting in enough effort to build a convincing case", and "not having a good case to build". It sounds like the problem you had was "Put a lot of effort into building a case that wasn't good." It's not your effort, it's your content. You don't always have to be generating more content every time you look at the thread. Sometimes, not posting is the right move to make.

 

[Xivii]

Well the thing is a lot of the times he is right. But whether right or wrong, he reaches for points that just aren't there. As I said, even if someone is scum, not everything they do is a scum tell. And when you're quoting every one of their posts and making them out to be scummy, it only serves to make your read look like ****.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

dude. the read doesn't look like ****. it IS **** if you antagonize every facet of a player. i can blindly pick three - four players of every game i play. does it make me good if i nail all the scum with that random decision? cuz i know that i can probz make scum tells out of thin air by wording it right with those random choices if i really felt like it. if a player nails a player for stupid reasons and can't convince people of their stupid reasoning... but that initial player ends up being right... it's more likely that their reasoning is bad and that they should feel bad.

#my2cents

 

[ranmaru]

Yet I don't blindly pick them out of a hat. It's just prolly mostly gut and vibes that I try to make into words but that never works. I mean for example I didn't tunnel onto NL for a random reason, I felt strongly about it. Zen's mostly right though... And due to my strong feeling of NL scum, I found Ryu because of his weird votes on him and Zen's top scumread. I don't know how to make a scum confess their sins and crimes. Plus I have every intent to kill them with my walls, that's prolly something I should try to restrain as well (my emotional involvement, but it's hard haha)

Also it's because I try to get all the scum as early as possible too

I'll try to do what pjb says though, just not making cases at all. I promise I'll try these at different times, it just means more expirementing hahaha. or waiting until d2. or waiting until like 4 or 3 days away from deadline of d1.

 

[ranmaru]

also I'll try to be more concise, meaning less CONTEXT. Hehe

so don't worry your advice will not fall on deaf ears. it'll just take a long road of me fixing it