Zero Suit Samus's Moves Discussion "Currently on F-TILT"

[BioDG]

*reads thread title*

Are we STILL talking about F-Tilt?

F-Tilt: I haven't gotten a chance to put in my two cents, but I have to say that I am getting some good use out of F-Tilt. I usually buffer it after an air dodge and it seems to work well with pushing back the opponent (As SFP said). If it's blocked, I just follow up with a jab or Neutral B if it's blocked to recover from the animation.

The cool down isn't the greatest, but I think its fast startup and "pushback" makes up for it. I used to think this move sucked, but it is quickly becoming one of my favorite moves.

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Looks like we're on Jab now...so here are my thoughts.

Jab: As it has already been said, The first frame start-up of the first punch is what makes this move viable. Jab is a big part of my ZSS game. If Jab wasn't so quick at its first hit, ZSS would probably be a much, much tougher character to use.

Nefarious B: I'll take that into consideration. It makes a lot of sense, too. Marth seems to have quick startup and a good reach with many of his moves so I can see how Jab would be much less effective with him.

Side note: If I'm using any of these commonly used Smash Bros. jargon incorrectly, someone please let me know. I usually never use them in discussions so I'm still new towards figuring out their uses.

 

[Zero]

Single jab is trash against almost everyone. Nearly everyone has an option to escape it. Marth's upb, MK's upb, Snake's own jab. I'm gonna experiment with double jab > cancel as at least most character's can only PS that.

 

[solecalibur]

Single jab is trash against almost everyone. Nearly everyone has an option to escape it. Marth's upb, MK's upb, Snake's own jab. I'm gonna experiment with double jab > cancel as at least most character's can only PS that.

I almost always finish to my 3rd jab first time I vs someone seeing if they powersheild our 3rd jab or attack out of it then after they sort of get the hang of it if its a taller character I can normally D-tilt afterward and miss their response

 

[Zero]

OK Lucas can Fsmash DO ANYTHING out of jab cancelled jabx2. Don't try it. >.<

This leads me to believe that jab is completely awful now.

 

[Dumbfire]

I've saw Dazwa using it alot to punish spot dogdes. Actually, its just one of the video's in the guide, just search it up.

 

[Zero]

My current plan with jab is to use it to bait spotdodges, then safely cancel into a dtilt. It'll only really work since Australia is spotdodge happy atm and it's not going to change until people punish it better. Although I prefer charging a dsmash to punish spotdodges. Much more reward for the same risk.

 

[BioDG]

Your current plan is what I usually do, Zero. I think it's a pretty good tactic and I don't get punished by it often if I exploit it well. And yeah, single jab sucks for the most part (though it's good for the occasional mix-up). Either way, yeah, Jabx2 is better.

I've never bothered trying to charge d-smash to bait spotdodges, though. It always seemed more risky to me. I may give it a shot now, though.

 

[NickRiddle]

Any type of jab usage should have 1 purpose. To disrupt whatever your opponent was going to do, since it is so quick. EVERY CHARACTER IN THE GAME CAN PUNISH JAB, JABx2, AND JABx3. As such, this should not be a damage move, a punish move, or... much of anything. The mixup of doing jab or jabx2 is only good until your opponent(s) learn to punish it on reaction, which is possible.

 

[Zero]

Yeah, I didn't believe you when you said Marth can upb out of jab. I found out the hard way.