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MangmeI really think this is a bad match up for Pokemon Trainer. I would say why, but I wanna see what others think of it first.
OMG!!!! Why havent i realized that???? Dude you are my new hero... lolWater Gun her off the stage while she does Dinn's Fire :-D
Dude you are my hero.....lolololol.OMG!!!! Why havent i realized that???? Dude you are my new hero... lol
charizard is not that hard, stay on the gorund, shieldgrab the uncoming lighting kicks, and kill her very soon because of her weight... but its tricky to fight her... if you wanna fight with her on the air let it be offstage, otherwise you would wish you havent
well if she's half retarted she'll die from that. Otherwise, no, it's not a counter strategy. Besides, it only works for one pokemon and only if zelda is near the edge, using din's AND not paying attention.Water Gun her off the stage while she does Dinn's Fire :-D
your unaware of how far water gun pushes and how easy it is to land every hit of it on a grounded oppenent. \well if she's half retarted she'll die from that. Otherwise, no, it's not a counter strategy. Besides, it only works for one pokemon and only if zelda is near the edge, using din's AND not paying attention.
anyway. since this thread was general, yes, Zelda has a pretty obvious advantage if the zelda user uses both zelda AND sheik.
Sheik and Zelda both do well against all 3 pokemon going even at worst. who you use depends on how the trainer is using the pokes.
Actually, it doesn't matter if she's paying attention or not (Well, it obviously does, but not too much). Most Zelda's will Dinn's Fire when they're at the edge anyways, because they're as far as possible from the enemy. Hit them with just one pulse of the water gun and they're far enough to die from it. They're first instinct will be to explode the Dinn's Fire. When they do, they'll blink to their deaths. I do this often....really often. Even if the Dinn's Fire ends up hitting me. And even if it does work with only one pokemon, it's a free stock.well if she's half retarted she'll die from that. Otherwise, no, it's not a counter strategy. Besides, it only works for one pokemon and only if zelda is near the edge, using din's AND not paying attention.
anyway. since this thread was general, yes, Zelda has a pretty obvious advantage if the zelda user uses both zelda AND sheik.
Sheik and Zelda both do well against all 3 pokemon going even at worst. who you use depends on how the trainer is using the pokes.
we aren't underestimating his dair. you're just underestimating her uair. it has MASSIVE range and since it's fire... it kills. it's also the strongest uair in the game. I think it'll kill ivy around 60%I usually stick with Ivysaur for both Zelda and Shiek. People were saying that Ivy can't out range Zelda's Uair, but Ivy's Dair could possibly have more range than it. Don't underestimate the range of Ivy's Dair, it's sick.
Shiek is a lot faster than you, but her lack of range is a serious problem. She can zone you and camp you, but from my experience, it's hard for her to start anything.
Just in case anyone was wondering, it does indeed outprioritise Ivy's dair. I tested this out today w/ my brother.But she'll bait you into airdodging and catch you off guard by uairing after. The thing is, everyone knows her uair is coming. It's a very predictable move. But that doesn't matter - only Zelda knows when it's coming, so she can mess up her timing to confuse you. One hit at around 60% and your gone. I think it does outprioritise Ivy's dair also.
that's for a few reasons:Just in case anyone was wondering, it does indeed outprioritise Ivy's dair. I tested this out today w/ my brother.
I also didn't know that Zelda's uair was so strong. Easily killed Ivy at 60%... I'm shocked.
My point is to airdodge when you actually see her hand going up, so you know she is gonna uair.. so no baiting...But she'll bait you into airdodging and catch you off guard by uairing after. The thing is, everyone knows her uair is coming. It's a very predictable move. But that doesn't matter - only Zelda knows when it's coming, so she can mess up her timing to confuse you. One hit at around 60% and your gone. I think it does outprioritise Ivy's dair also.
<_< it's not a move that hits a whole lot anyway. you won't dodge it 100% of the time of course. it's a good punisher. it hits out of pretty much any aerial the oponent does and punishes out of airdodges and it attacks through platforms. I suppose you will dodge it most of the time if she just throws it out. it's used to punish when you can't avoid it very well or at all.My point is to airdodge when you actually see her hand going up, so you know she is gonna uair.. so no baiting...
I also used to believe that this move was so great, but then someone on these boards told me that, i applied it and now Im almost never hit by that attack
LOL... dont worry, they will learn the lessonapparently a lot of ivys think they can dair through it though