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While Locke is a good friend of mine and I've been talking to him for a year and a half now, I have to say that the commentary in contrast with what was going on was absolutely hilarious.
"If you think you've played every Cloud, you've never played Locke's Cloud."
"Locke's Cloud does weird reads and it just works"

then badabadabing gg
 

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Kofu Kofu sorry I'm sucking tonight. I've put the dumb cat in the bathroom 3 times for biting my arm. She'll be laying on my lap then bite me for no apparent reason. Then she meows constantly in the bathroom. :facepalm:

I don't know the samus MU either tbh. She can get to you from really far away and keeps surprising me.
 

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Kofu Kofu sorry I'm sucking tonight. I've put the dumb cat in the bathroom 3 times for biting my arm. She'll be laying on my lap then bite me for no apparent reason. Then she meows constantly in the bathroom. :facepalm:

I don't know the samus MU either tbh. She can get to you from really far away and keeps surprising me.
You're good, I assumed it was mainly the cat.

I'm probably about done tonight anyway.
 

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GGs Rizen Rizen , cat stuff notwithstanding.

I used Samus some in Brawl and she's still pretty fun, especially with all her buffs. She has her problems but is scary nonetheless.

I'm not used to using a tether to recover, heh.
 

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You're good, I assumed it was mainly the cat.

I'm probably about done tonight anyway.
GGs, sorry I was really on tilt tonight. The cat was driving me crazy. I was away all day then she got overstimulated. I have trouble pulling it together when I'm on tilt :/

Really good Samus. I keep misjudging her range and speed. I think the patch really helped her. How should I DI?
 

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GGs, sorry I was really on tilt tonight. The cat was driving me crazy. I was away all day then she got overstimulated. I have trouble pulling it together when I'm on tilt :/

Really good Samus. I keep misjudging her range and speed. I think the patch really helped her. How should I DI?
How should you DI what?

NAir being a forward-facing kill move is great, dash attack hitting up close is a godsend, FTilt is a good spacing move now. She still horribly extends her hurtbox for basically every melee attack but OH WELL.

I probably used missile too much.
 

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We think Zelda is bad. We think the people playing her are really good to be able to do well with limited tools compared to other characters. I fully believe Ven and Fairess would be successful no matter what character they were using. They have just chosen Zelda.
TFW you use Samus aka a better character than Zelda in tournament and you drown in pools.

Why can I only win with a bottom tier character
Some people play best and click most with a low tier.

For a long time I did worse with Sheik than I did with Link.

OK OK OK

My band wants to put out an EP this summer.

There are only 2 people in it and we both came up with a name for it.

THE OPTIONS:
Upstairs (because we record everything in my upstairs music room)

B Street (because that's where I grew up)

VOTE NOW
Call your group Banned Zelda.

Sigh.

So, again, just like ven, we are going to invalidate a player and instead blame the opponent and a lack of mu experience.

Why does this board ALWAYS do this? Every God damn time.

He beat v115, Canada's best zss 2-0? Fluke. One of the best players in the world gives him props and feels zelda is underrated? Lmaoooo what an idiot, just shield.

Fairess didn't do anything. Just a one time thing. Got lucky. Anyone could do that.

Why is it so hard for this board to say something positive. "Wow good job fairess!" "How'd he beat zss, I wanna know." "Damn, I gotta practice and get on his level" "Even mr r feels she's underrated!"

But no. It's always "mu inexperience."

90% of smash is mental. If you're good enough, smart enough, and skilled enough, you can outplay people and get good results with any character. But when you get to the higher levels, or around your own level of competition, character choices and match ups start to matter more. Zelda is a character that's fine at low to mid levels, and then caps out entering high level play because she has fewer and worse options compared to the rest of the cast. She only becomes usable at high levels for the people who transcend that, and play at the top level where bad options become good again, but when those people play other top level people they're the first to tell you they feel the pain of bringing Zelda into that type of fight.


Part of this has to do with her being poorly balanced for one on one play, and another has to do with her nature as a punish character made of glass. Higher level players play very safe, and don't make mistakes, so Zelda doesn't get the openings she needs to capitalize, and without the right tools to play neutral, she gets poked. She dies early and easily from those pokes. Low and mid-level players do leave themselves open, so you can go in with her, and top players force openings and get reads while remaining a mystery to their opponents, so they can make it work. Top Zelda players also have godlike spacing and timing with fairs and bairs.

Yes, if Zelda always lands her follow ups with fairs, she gives as good as she gets and kills sooner, but barring incredible talent, no, even with, the amount of work it takes to be as consistent as you need to be with them is off the charts. A lot of games with opponents who aren't anywhere near the best Zelda players in terms of skill and dedication can still take the best Zeldas to close matches or spend a good amount of time punting her across the screen. But like I said, Smash is 90% mental, and it's built and balanced in such a way where it's not impossible to win with any character provided. Who you're best with is still most important.
 
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I just spent the last 3-4 hours setting this up:
http://zpk121.wix.com/hyrulewarriors
*squeals* It's basically KuroganeHammer's/Aerodrome's/maybe possibly secretly Spritzee's website but for Hyrule Warriors.
Going to type up Ghirahim's section before I go to bed, it shouldn't take longer than an hour.
 
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Morning girls. How's everyone doing? :4zelda:

Just prepared my lunch, And just put some laundry away, and I've posted a question to my Tutor for a problem that each of us had to come up with for our University Assignment.

Mine is how to keep papers protected from bad weather conditions during deliveries, and how to post them if the subscriber/customer doesn't have a letterbox? We're just discussing the problems, not looking for answers. :yeahboi:
Also, gonna watch Episode 5 of Boku no Hero Academia as well.

 
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I just spent the last 3-4 hours setting this up:
http://zacharypufflekirby.wix.com/hyrulewarriors
*squeals* It's basically KuroganeHammer's/Aerodrome's/maybe possibly secretly Spritzee's website but for Hyrule Warriors.
Going to type up Ghirahim's section before I go to bed, it shouldn't take longer than an hour.
lol nice.

We seem to play Agitha completely different, though. C3 with the Giant Beetle is a great tool for near any occasion and most of her required missions are set up to abuse it; hence all the tightly packed groups of Dinolfos in all of them that you can spam C3 on for days, specifically by not running in head first but via encircling.

90% of smash is mental.
I'd argue that's true for Smash 4, but not Smash in general.

Melee is most certainly a physical game, for instance. If you can't achieve at least a certain bps, you simply aren't going to win.
 
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90% of smash is mental. If you're good enough, smart enough, and skilled enough, you can outplay people and get good results with any character
this is true

although when u talk about bayo cross out the entirety of the second sentence and change 90% to 0% ;^)

no hard feels towards bayo mains tho i just like poking fun at things
 

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Does Zelda have the strongest Uair in the game or is it :4robinf:,:4bowser:, or :4palutena:?
In terms of damage, it's Zelda's, in terms of knockback, Luma has the highest base knockback and Palutena has the highest knockback growth. I think Zelda's still kills earlier overall than both of them though because of the damage. Requires testing.
 
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In Toronto right now ayyyyyy @Nammy12 @Koiba where u at

It's pouring rain and miserably cold here. And everyone has a Tim Hortons cup in their hands instead of a Starbucks cup halp
 

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although when u talk about bayo cross out the entirety of the second sentence and change 90% to 0% ;^)
Not...really. It's more like people let her get away with it.

The only characters like that were Pre-patched Diddy Kong and to a lesser extent Sheik, where even if you messed up it didn't matter because your frame data trumped half the cast. You could pick wrong and still win neutral, basically. They controlled the momentum of the battle at all times, that's what made them the best.

As a punish heavy character, there's really no reason that a braindead Bayonetta should win a set unless the opponent is playing equally braindead. People need to stop giving her complete control over the battle because of their perception of her, and actually engage.

I've watched a **** ton of Bayonetta sets to verify a lot of the claims about her, and near every time, it really wasn't the character that beat them.

In other news, I've found the new best thing ever:


Game reviews by youtube personalities after eating a hugely spicy hot pepper.

"Something is hurting me from the inside", indeed.
 

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I saw Episode 5 of Boku no Hero Academia. Was really enjoyable and hype. Shame that Katsuri is still that stupid bully who picks on Izuku. :c

Also, I found a hilarious tweet from the Sonic The Hedgehog Twitter, where you get your own Sonic Name.

I'm Shedew Carne Asada. :secretkpop:

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/726090715885756416 If any of you girls wanna have a go. :3
 
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bayos braindead. u can pick her up and rank top 8 in tourneys ezpz. kk. also if anyone's wondering, im anti ban. lol

the moment i saw zinoto play in crew battles, i kinda knew he was gonna win the tourney tbh. he's sooooo gud
 
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bayos braindead. u can pick her up and rank top 8 in tourneys ezpz. kk. also if anyone's wondering, im anti ban. lol

the moment i saw zinoto play in crew battles, i kinda knew he was gonna win the tourney tbh. he's sooooo gud
I'm against the ban myself. Since if they ban Bayonetta, they're limiting people who main Bayonetta, and if there are tournaments that legalize Bayonetta, then that's one MU hardly anyone is going to know except for maybe a handful of people. :3
 

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According to people who collected data from various tournaments--
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Zelda has more tournament wins than presumably better characters like Lucario, Pit and Pacman. And her win rate % is better than Cloud, Sheik, Mario, Roastaluma, and more top tiers.

BAN •ZELDA
 

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According to people who collected data from various tournaments--
View attachment 105670
Zelda has more tournament wins than presumably better characters like Lucario, Pit and Pacman. And her win rate % is better than Cloud, Sheik, Mario, Roastaluma, and more top tiers.

BAN •ZELDA
*Sees Lucina's Win Rate % is higher than Marth's*
 

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According to people who collected data from various tournaments--
View attachment 105670
Zelda has more tournament wins than presumably better characters like Lucario, Pit and Pacman. And her win rate % is better than Cloud, Sheik, Mario, Roastaluma, and more top tiers.

BAN •ZELDA
The reason Pit is so low because it's divided between him and Pittoo.

We take those tho

:150:
 

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According to people who collected data from various tournaments--
View attachment 105670
Zelda has more tournament wins than presumably better characters like Lucario, Pit and Pacman. And her win rate % is better than Cloud, Sheik, Mario, Roastaluma, and more top tiers.

BAN •ZELDA
wtf is up with Zard's winrate?
 

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In terms of damage, it's Zelda's, in terms of knockback, Luma has the highest base knockback and Palutena has the highest knockback growth. I think Zelda's still kills earlier overall than both of them though because of the damage. Requires testing.
At first I was going to say that you're wrong and that Game & Watch's does the most damage at 16% but then saw that Zelda's does 17%. Carry on.

How much damage can Mega Man's UAir do?
 

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Finished up the section on Lana's book. Slowly making progress.
Anyone up for a few games?
 

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At first I was going to say that you're wrong and that Game & Watch's does the most damage at 16% but then saw that Zelda's does 17%. Carry on.

How much damage can Mega Man's UAir do?
Yeah that 2% damage buff from last patch saved me right there lol.
 

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I just found out that there's a track in FE Fates called "Guest of Shade".

Hmm...
 
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