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[BJN39]

Mawile

The reason I immediately hated megas when I realized the implication of having one.

Mawile is 5evr "Mawhile" tier relevancy now.

*edit* I mean, they actually remembered she existed when they gave her a slightly better type mixture (isn't immediately erased by fighting type/immune to dragon) and play rough was a decent physical attack, but those improvements are standalone to a mega evolution.

Freaking base 50 HP/Speed. HOW WAS THIS NOT SEEN AS AN ISSUE.

IT ISN'T EVEN IMPROVED FOR MEGA EITHER OML.

Mawile's last chance is pokken DLC. Because her **** stats won't matter there.

 

[Lorde]

I quite like Mega's, since they bring a lot of older, forgettable Pokemon back into the spotlight (Beedrill, Mawile, Sableye)
I'd rather they just keep them exclusive to post-game, rather than remove them completely.

except the competitive scene is just megas now

i used to play competitive pokemon, but now it's not even fun

i would rather have my trashy and forgotten pokemon instead of the mess they've become now.

giving a pokemon a mega makes it even more irrelevant than before because nobody is going to use the base form when the mega is so much better.

megas were interesting at first, but now they're just too much

megas basically dictate the the metagame and it's awful

#toxicmegas

 

[EODM07]

giving a pokemon a mega makes it even more irrelevant than before because nobody is going to use the base form when the mega is so much better.

Funny thing is that Mega Garchomp is hardly used at all compared to normal Garchomp. Since Mega Garchomp loses one crucial part of what made Garchomp so good. Its Speed. Losing 20 points of Speed is a huge difference.

So it's rather funny that Garchomp is used a lot more over its Mega Evolution.

 

[SBphiloz4]

Mega Mawile is actually banned in competitive Pokemon for being too OP. No joke.

Mega Garchomp and Mega Tyranitar are the worst megas because they contribute nothing much more from their non-evolution counterparts and use up your mega-slot. Mega Alakazam is an honourable mention.

The most bae Mega Evolution has to go to Mega Altaria.

 

[McKnightlíght]

megas were interesting at first, but now they're just too much

This is so true. They were cool when there were just a few, but now every Pokemon gets one. Some Pokemon need to stay irrelevant. Like Stantler or Girafarig.

 

[Lorde]

I used Girafarig in a playthrough of HeartGold once

it was so bad that I dropped it

and I've done playthroughs with pokemon like ariados and magcargo

 

[EODM07]

Mega Mawile is actually banned in competitive Pokemon for being too OP. No joke.

Mega Garchomp and Mega Tyranitar are the worst megas because they contribute nothing much more from their non-evolution counterparts and use up your mega-slot. Mega Alakazam is an honourable mention.

The most bae Mega Evolution has to go to Mega Altaria.

This is one of the reasons why I don't follow Smogon. Since the choices they make are questionable. :V
Heck, they had a vote on to ban Aegislash on time, and then Aegislash got banned. :V

 

[Koiba]

Dammit why am I always late for these kinds of things :C


Initial thoughts:

Moon sounds kinda cool. If it has some sort of lame mascot bird I'll be very disapointed

Mega's are just a way to remember the super irrelevant and super popular pokemon by giving them cool abilities and stats

Best megas are Altaria and Absol


And I was SUPER disapointed in mega Steelix. I guess you couldn't really do anything with it, but kinda hoped for something cool. Especially since it's one of my favorites

 

[EODM07]

Dammit why am I always late for these kinds of things :C


Initial thoughts:

Moon sounds kinda cool. If it has some sort of lame mascot bird I'll be very disapointed

Mega's are just a way to remember the super irrelevant and super popular pokemon by giving them cool abilities and stats

Best megas are Altaria and Absol


And I was SUPER disapointed in mega Steelix. I guess you couldn't really do anything with it, but kinda hoped for something cool. Especially since it's one of my favorites

I'm predicting the Legendary for Moon would probably be a Rabbit-like Pokemon; a nod to the Japanese Folklore of Rabbits living on the moon.
Only know of that because of Touhou. Thank you Kaguya, Tewi and Reisen.

As for Sun, probably a Wolf-like Pokemon, referencing the Sun Goddess Okami.

 

[McKnightlíght]

I used Girafarig in a playthrough of HeartGold once

Who?

 

[Kofu]

ZELDA IS MID TIER IN SOMETHING

EVEN HIGHER THAN SHEIK IN THIS

Another reason why we need to BAN•ZELDA

Need to finish watching this but what's the song that's either the last or penultimate one? It sounds familiar but I don't know from where.

Mega Evolutions are neat in theory but in practice they're rather poorly balanced. With few exceptions they tend to exaggerate already good stats; a reasonable concept but it ends up biting certain megas in the butt (Banette, Absol). They're also proof that Game Freak knows that abilities are a critical part of a Pokemon's design and they can make or break them. They seem to have gone the "break" route since most megas either have preexisting abilities that are phenomenal (Magic Bounce, Huge Power) or just created new abilities (Parental Bond, Aerilate and its ilk). You could fix the -ate abilities by removing that extra 1.3 boost they give their moves but not everything would have such a quick fix.

I can't pretend that some mega evolutions don't make me happy because some of them make forgotten Pokémon useful (Pinsir). But when they take an already strong Pokémon and give it a mega it's exasperating. Some are fairly harmless (Mega Scizor, for instance) and some have a clear intention to make something overpowered (Mega Salamence). Mega Rayauaza and Primal Groudon and Kyogre (who are basically megas with only slight function differences) are absurd in every sense of the word. They created megas to breathe life into old designs and to address the power creep (IMO) but haven't been successful from a competitive standpoint.

What Pokémon honestly needs is another generation disconnect like what happened between Gens 2 and 3 so that Game Freak can better refine their old Pokémon. I'd honestly appreciate significant tweaks to movepools, abilities, and, in some cases, stats and typing. I'm not expecting them to make every Pokémon usable but when there are duds like Lumineon something needs to change.

 

[Rizen]

I wish I could mega evolve. Rizen (digi)evolves to... Mega Rizen with pecs of steel, Barry White's voice and the special ability to shoot fire from his hands because why not?

 

[Kofu]

I'm predicting the Legendary for Moon would probably be a Rabbit-like Pokemon; a nod to the Japanese Folklore of Rabbits living on the moon.
Only know of that because of Touhou. Thank you Kaguya, Tewi and Reisen.

As for Sun, probably a Wolf-like Pokemon, referencing the Sun Goddess Okami.

Another rabbit/moon reference is in Sailor Moon. I think Usagi's name means rabbit.

If we're going by Japanese mythology for Sun and Moon I want one Pokémon to be canonically born from a nose.

Rizen I saw that you mentioned that TP HD wasn't a complete remake like WW HD was. I never played WW HD but was under the impression that it was more or less just a recreation. What was added to it that TP HD doesn't have?

 

[EODM07]

Project X Zone 2 just made a reference to that one joke Bison made in the SF Movie. :V

"This day must be a painful one for you, but for me it was a Tuesday." - Pai
"Ooh, epic burn! No wonder you're such a good actor!" - Xiaoyu
"Why does that sound so familiar...?" - Chun-Li

Maybe because of this Chun-Li?

 

[Lavani]

If we're going by Japanese mythology for Sun and Moon I want one Pokémon to be canonically born from a nose.

Now I'm thinking of Probopass's nose as being pregnant and I feel deeply disturbed.

 

[Lorde]

iirc they completely remade the graphics engine in WWHD or something to that effect

TPHD's graphics just got updated a little bit, but they're still not that great imo
they're definitely not as bad as most people are saying, though

 

[Y2Kay]

Spoiler: Pokémon Direct was leaked lol

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Team Moon ftw

*screams like a little girl

I got dibs on Pokemon Moon

 

[Kofu]

Now I'm thinking of Probopass's nose as being pregnant and I feel deeply disturbed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susanoo-no-Mikoto

In Japanese mythology, Susanoo, the powerful storm god of Summer, is the brother of Amaterasu, the goddess of the Sun, and of Tsukuyomi, the god of the Moon. All three were born from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose.

Pretty much all mythology has some creepy bizarre crap like this.

Oh hey, Vanilla, since that HRC video reminded me, battering items seem to stale the more they're used like any other move. I don't remember if dropped items stale as well. It's pertinent because you can stale the bat before the final hit in HRC.

iirc they completely remade the graphics engine in WWHD or something to that effect

TPHD's graphics just got updated a little bit, but they're still not that great imo
they're definitely not as bad as most people are saying, though

I'll be honest, I mainly pre-ordered the game to get the soundtrack (even though I don't know what's on it). If O don't get it I'll be peeved.

Twilight Princess has notable flaws, mainly that the start of the game is pretty slow (OoT and MM forcing you to get into the action right away is a huge point in their favor) and that the Twilight realm sections are super tedious but I LOVE the game's aesthetic and general gameplay. The music is also phenomenal. If they give you a way to automatically change the time of day to make getting Poe Souls easier I'll be one happy camper.

 

[Lorde]

I'll be honest, I mainly pre-ordered the game to get the soundtrack (even though I don't know what's on it). If O don't get it I'll be peeved.

Twilight Princess has notable flaws, mainly that the start of the game is pretty slow (OoT and MM forcing you to get into the action right away is a huge point in their favor) and that the Twilight realm sections are super tedious but I LOVE the game's aesthetic and general gameplay. The music is also phenomenal. If they give you a way to automatically change the time of day to make getting Poe Souls easier I'll be one happy camper.

I actually haven't played TP before, so I was glad when the remake was announced because I really didn't want to spend $50 on the GameCube version.

The soundtrack is also the main reason I'll be preordering it. Ilia's Theme is just breathtaking. Honestly, I should go preorder it now because I don't want it to go out of stock before I get a chance to do it.

WWHD is amazing and you should play it if you haven't.

edit: just preordered it

 

[Lavani]

My #1 complaint about Twilight Princess was that it had all these super interesting items like the Spinner and Dominion Rod, and then pretty much ended up not using them ever again outside the dungeons you get them in.

Fortunately both of those got some Hyrule Warriors fanservice, but it's not the same ;_;

 

[Lorde]

You have to use the Link amiibo to get the spinner tho

 

[Kofu]

I actually haven't played TP before, so I was glad when the remake was announced because I really didn't want to spend $50 on the GameCube version.

The soundtrack is also the main reason I'll be preordering it. Ilia's Theme is just breathtaking. Honestly, I should go preorder it now because I don't want it to go out of stock before I get a chance to do it.

WWHD is amazing and you should play it if you haven't.

I have the Wii version of TP, the only big difference AFAIK is that the map is mirrored because Link is a righty in the Wii version rather than a lefty like he is in most other games. The change was made because the Wiimote/nunchuck combo has the Wiimote in your right hand. Miyamoto is a lefty and he said it felt fine to him so that's what stuck. The sword swings are a whole less precise than those in Skyward Sword which takes a lot of stress off, lol.

My #1 complaint about Twilight Princess was that it had all these super interesting items like the Spinner and Dominion Rod, and then pretty much ended up not using them ever again outside the dungeons you get them in.

Fortunately both of those got some Hyrule Warriors fanservice, but it's not the same ;_;

The Spinner is one of the best items in any Zelda game. So fun.

You have to use the Link amiibo to get the spinner tho

That... doesn't really make sense since you NEED the spinner to beat one dungeon and its boss, assuming the amiibo doesn't automatically come with the game (and I don't think it does). Plus you'd miss out on a killer miniboss battle. Unless you're talking about Hyrule Warriors in which case disregard me.

 

[McKnightlíght]

I have the Wii version of TP, the only big difference AFAIK is that the map is mirrored because Link is a righty in the Wii version rather than a lefty like he is in most other games. The change was made because the Wiimote/nunchuck combo has the Wiimote in your right hand. Miyamoto is a lefty and he said it felt fine to him so that's what stuck. The sword swings are a whole less precise than those in Skyward Sword which takes a lot of stress off, lol.


The Spinner is one of the best items in any Zelda game. So fun.


That... doesn't really make sense since you NEED the spinner to beat one dungeon and its boss, assuming the amiibo doesn't automatically come with the game (and I don't think it does). Plus you'd miss out on a killer miniboss battle. Unless you're talking about Hyrule Warriors in which case disregard me.

He means Super Zelda 64

 

[Jaguar360]

This is one of the reasons why I don't follow Smogon. Since the choices they make are questionable. :V
Heck, they had a vote on to ban Aegislash on time, and then Aegislash got banned. :V

The reason I immediately hated megas when I realized the implication of having one.

Mawile is 5evr "Mawhile" tier relevancy now.

*edit* I mean, they actually remembered she existed when they gave her a slightly better type mixture (isn't immediately erased by fighting type/immune to dragon) and play rough was a decent physical attack, but those improvements are standalone to a mega evolution.

Freaking base 50 HP/Speed. HOW WAS THIS NOT SEEN AS AN ISSUE.

IT ISN'T EVEN IMPROVED FOR MEGA EITHER OML.

Mawile's last chance is pokken DLC. Because her **** stats won't matter there.

Mega Mawile's Huge Power makes it the strongest Pokemon in the game though and it's priority in Sucker Punch allows it to sweep super easily in singles. The Steel/Fairy typing is really good defensively too. It has a couple checks like Heatran and Mega Venusaur and was probably on of the more controversial Smogon OU bans, but it was ways of getting past its checks and was just way too strong for OU to handle.

It's cool in Doubles though.

Sincerely,

Triggered Smogon member

P.S. Aegislash deserved its ban too btw. Way too versatile and overcentralizing. I wasn't completely for it the first time around, but in the 2nd Aegislash suspect test it was pretty clear than it wasn't good for OU.

 

[Ffamran]

Pokémon Sun and Moon reminds me of this.

Spoiler: Big image

And this is the part where I feel like Chimchar probably should have been the Fire starter because of the reference to Sun Wukong or Son Goku in Japanese. Puns and references.

 

[Lavani]

You have to use the Link amiibo to get the spinner tho

Not for the 3DS you don't

 

[SBphiloz4]

Need to finish watching this but what's the song that's either the last or penultimate one? It sounds familiar but I don't know from where.

The last song with the weeb language is the theme song for Fire Emblem: Fates. "Hitori Omou" is the title.

 

[Lorde]

Not for the 3DS you don't

i'm still on the story mode

i just beat the skyloft thing where the path splits into 3 branches

i just want story mode to be over so i can actually have fun with the adventure map

tetra and skull kid are my only motivation as of now

 

[Y2Kay]

The Smogon Commitee gets way too much hate

Just because they're trying to make universal rule sets doesn't automatically mean they're your enemy.

You can always just play the online mode in-game if you have such a problem with it.

I got no idea where all these Smogon Rebels came from, but I find them super annoying.

 

[McKnightlíght]

The Smogon Commitee gets way too much hate

Just because they're trying to make universal rule sets doesn't automatically mean they're your enemy.

You can always just play the online mode in-game if you have such a problem with it.

I got no idea where all these Smogon Rebels came from, but I find them super annoying.

I find Smogon super annoying.

 

[Kofu]

I find Smogon super annoying.

What did ever do to you‽

 

[McKnightlíght]

They were good for 4th gen, but I just felt like they fell off once 5th hit. It took them forever to make a tier list and they didn't have many guides on the popular sets. They never got completely settled before 6th gen came around. I don't really know how they've kept their status of being the site with the rules.

 

[Y2Kay]

Because there is no other alternative

 

[Kofu]

Mega Mawile's Huge Power makes it the strongest Pokemon in the game though and it's priority in Sucker Punch allows it to sweep super easily in singles. The Steel/Fairy typing is really good defensively too. It has a couple checks like Heatran and Mega Venusaur and was probably on of the more controversial Smogon OU bans, but it was ways of getting past its checks and was just way too strong for OU to handle.

It's cool in Doubles though.

Sincerely,

Triggered Smogon member

P.S. Aegislash deserved its ban too btw. Way too versatile and overcentralizing. I wasn't completely for it the first time around, but in the 2nd Aegislash suspect test it was pretty clear than it wasn't good for OU.

I'm of the conflicting opinions that Smogon probably knows what's best for the metagame but also that I'd rather just play by the same rules that the games give you. Some of it is their insistence on letting obscure event Pokémon run around like they're common fare (Wish Blissey is probably the biggest offender and the one that makes me the maddest), some of it is that they're fairly stuck in their ways and aren't generally up to any adaptation (like an Item clause, something I think could be interesting to see implemented).

But I mainly just play random battles so what do I know?

 

[McKnightlíght]

Because there is no other alternative

 

[Rizen]

The dominion rod was wasted potential in TP, which is too bad because it could have been cool to control pots or enemies etc outside dungeons. The spinner added a cool mechanic to dungeons. It should have kept spinning as a ride-able item without tracks though.
Most of the items in TP were awesome. Double clawshot, ballnChain, gale boomerang all great ways to add to previous items and the aiming system +bomb arrow combos made the bow the best it had ever been. Even the lantern was cool because the lighting in the game.

 

[Lavani]

Unlocked Guardian of Time outfits for Lana and Cia

these are so cute hnnnnng

 

[Cress!]

Unlocked Guardian of Time outfits for Lana and Cia

these are so cute hnnnnng

How do you get them? They're some of my favorites in the Wii U version so I want to know when it comes out next month

 

[Kofu]

The dominion rod was wasted potential in TP, which is too bad because it could have been cool to control pots or enemies etc outside dungeons. The spinner added a cool mechanic to dungeons. It should have kept spinning as a ride-able item without tracks though.
Most of the items in TP were awesome. Double clawshot, ballnChain, gale boomerang all great ways to add to previous items and the aiming system +bomb arrow combos made the bow the best it had ever been. Even the lantern was cool because the lighting in the game.

You want to know the best item?

 

[Y2Kay]

Yo gorls, remember how I took the ACT a few weeks ago? Probably not.

But I got a 30! Time to celebrate!

I got a 33 on English, a 29 on Math, and a 28 on Reading and Science. I'm sad I missed my goal of the 33, but I was taking the ACT with a respiratory infection, so I won't try to lose too much sleep about it.

Oh yeah, I'm gonna share my music with you since @elusiveTranscendent is the only person who follows me on Soundcloud.

Mew-2Chainz' Fire Beat of the Night
https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fturnadosbeats%2Fzelda ​