You can't start breaking out of a grab until frame 7 of being grabbed

[GimR]

Just thought I'd put that out there. It seems important

How'd I figure this out?

1. I had someone grab Wario
   
2. I had him mash out every frame, he broke out on 20
   
3. I did the same thing but didn't start mashing until frame 2, he broke out on frame 20
   
4. I did the same thing until I got to frame 8. On Frame 8 he broke out later

Thus my conclusion,

You can't mash until frame 7. Some one please verify by doing the same test please

 

[SuSa]

Hm...maybe it has something to do with the 'catch' animation of the grab? (Since neither player can perform anything during this) maybe it's a universal 7 frames-til-you-can-pummel so it's a 7-frames-til-you-can-mash?

When is the soonest you can throw after a grab? [If this is 7 frames, it confirms my theory. :x This 7 frame window is to guarentee you have time to throw before they can mash out]

 

[GimR]

You can throw frame 1 I'm pretty sure


Also, wario was at 0%

 

[SuSa]

*evil eye* Only pretty sure?

[Although I also think it's frame 1]

When's the soonest you can pummel? :s

 

[Indigo Jeans]

This seems accurate to me, as I had always known that the initial frames of a grab restrict you to only throwing, so I took it as applying to the grab-ee as well. I just wasn't sure about this specifics. I'll try and test this sometime.

 

[Luxor]

IIRC there IS a certain timeframe after grabbing before you can initiate a throw or pummel. Not 100% sure though., I think I heard it somewhere once and just kind of believed it.

 

[A2ZOMG]

You can throw frame 1 I'm pretty sure


Also, wario was at 0%

This is definitely true, since there are times where buffering a throw completely skips the "catch" SFX and animation and goes straight into throwing.

Does anyone have any information on instantly breaking out of Olimar's grab?

 

[Yikarur]

I always thought you can mash buttons on the first frame of grab contact which is the reason you can mash out of grabs of Yoshis and Olimars Grab before you actually do anything D:

 

[GimR]

WEll, I'm pretty sure the game doesn't count you as being grabbed until you go into Yoshi's mouth or the pikmin brings you back to Olimar. If you were counted as being grabbed Yoshi or Olimar would be able to throw you before you reach them.


Or Yoshi would be able to throw you before you even got into his mouth

 

[Yikarur]

but there has to be a reason you can break out of the grab before you are even in his mouth.
I would test but my wii crashes when I do too much inputs to break out of a grab xD

 

[Remzi]

Thats interesting, do your inputs buffer in those first 7 frames?

 

[Blacknight99923]

I'm guessing this is good for ice climbers

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Yeah, and if anyone says that with really good mashing, you can escape their infinite, you can use this to back up why it's always a true infinite.

 

[GimR]

Actually you can break out at low percents

 

[Yikarur]

you can break out of Yoshis Infinite on Wario, but I don't know on which frame that happends. I can't test is on frame advance because my wii crashed every time I tried xD

 

[GimR]

you can break out of Yoshis Infinite on Wario, but I don't know on which frame that happends. I can't test is on frame advance because my wii crashed every time I tried xD

LOL, and now we know that if you break out of yoshis grab on a certain frame that the game crashes. I find it hilarious that what we thought was a frame advance glitch is a game glitch

 

[Yikarur]

Yeah at that time I thought it was a frame advance glitch but I tried it not late afterwards in training mode on 1/4 and it's really easy to reproduce there, but I didn't think It was important enough to note D: xD

 

[phi1ny3]

"You can't start breaking out of a grab until frame 7 of bieng grabbed"

Obligatory spellcheck ftl