Yes, how about you put your money where your mouth is?

[Zevox]

1. He has been the victim of Catch 22. People say he shouldn't be in major games because he hasn't been in major games.

No - they say he shouldn't be in Brawl because hes a minor character (which is in part due to his having never been in any major games). Nobody says he shouldn't be in any major Mario games; some in fact have asked about the possibility of a "Wario Brothers" game featuring him and Wario. If and when he starts to expand into a significant character or is at least put into some major games, then he could be seriously considered for an SSB game.

Besides, Smash has done wonders for FE & Metroid, it could certainly help him out.

Please, both of those were quite popular to begin with. Fire Emblem's popularity in Japan rivals even Zelda's, and it was only unknown elsewhere due to having never been released anywhere else. Sure having Marth & Roy in Melee helped FE get brought over from Japan and jump-started its popularity internationally, but thats a different story altogether. Metroid, as xianfeng has already pointed, was likewise a hit, only everywhere rather than just Japan. It was simply a second-tier hit, not quite as big as Mario or Zelda. And it still is, so no change there either.

xianfeng tore through most of the rest well enough, so I'll just add this

5. The only other decent new Mario rep at this point is Bowser Jr. who has been in less games than Waluigi.

The games he has been however have been major, mainstream Mario games, and he has always played the role of a main antagonist in them. Waluigi on the other hand has appeared only in spin-off party and sports games, and exists solely as a filler character even in them - he was first designed to give Wario a doubles partner in Tennis, and has hardly, if at all, gone any further than that even now. Seriously, even Daisy is a more important character to the Mario series than he is. Waluigi is just one step above the dime-a-dozen flunkies.
(Plus, I think the Geno fans would like to disagree with you on that statement to boot.)

Zevox

 

[Gotann]

Fact of the matter is the game wouldn't make sense without Luigi. Luigi has a lot of differences from Mario plus he's VERY important to the Mario series. The same thing can't be said about Wind Waker Link in the Zelda series as a whole.

Why have Wind Waker Link and not Young Link from OOT/Majora's Mask? Why not have ADULT Link from OOT as well? OOT is an incredibly popular game.

I fail to see how Jigglypuff isn't unique. If you think floating like Kirby is enough to make a character not so unique than you're going to hate Brawl with all of the "gliding" characters.

I agree, I myself wouldn't see Luigi getting cut off of Smash Bros. because he is important to the Mario series. But yes, the same can be said Wind Waker Link (Of course, notas much) because he is now important to the Zelda series, seeing as he is the new face for Young Link. And he is as much different as Luigi is to Mario as WW Link is to Adult Link.

Examples:
-Luigi: Mario's Brother / WW Link: Totally different kid from 100 years later!!
-Luigi: Wears the same outfit as Mario but green / WW Link: Wears the same outfit, just a little different
-Luigi: Same fighting style, but different in some ways / WW Link: Same fighting style, but different in some ways
-Luigi: Skinnier, Different Mustache, Taller, Voice / WW Link: Big head, Big eyes, Shorter...(They hardly even look alike...)
-Luigi: He was just a 2nd Mario/Player before, but made his own mark and became it's own character./
-WW Link: He might have been just another portrate of Link but with a different art style. But that design continued to be used. Until, he was recognized to be the Young Link. He pretty much made his own character, even at the very beginning.

Isn't OoT Link and TP Link the same character(Same "Link"), but with a mixed up timeline (Correct me if I'm wrong). If so, then that's even worse than having WW Link (Even if they weren't in the same timeline, but not as much). And OoT/MM Young Link are a "real" younger version of that Link, so he is more identical than WW.

And yea, like I said I did exaggerate a little. But I don't get what you guys mean by he is just another Link? Is it because his name is the same, is that the problem here? Or is there something I'm missing...?

 

[Andy4Brawl_911]

I'm just reposting this again, since its forgoten and i want to see feedback:

Andy (Advance Wars)

1) Nintendo Wars, is the longest, nintendo-active game series with no rep.

2) He is completely unique, background, story, appearance, moves... and he opens up to, other character like gun and bazooka absessed Sammi

3) His moves can go anywhere, since they would be based on his usage of items on the box arts and official artwork.... Also to do with Hobbies

 

[~N9NE~]

Are you Sakurai?.

Please point out to me wherever I said I was Sakurai. Please go ahead.

If you are just going to counter argue my points by asking 'Are you Sakurai?' then what do you expect me to say? I never claimed to be Sakurai, I was just arguing my own opinion, which is what people do on a forum. Shoot me now if that's a crime. Should I stop posting my opinions simply because I'm not Sakurai? If so, ban me now.

Are you Sakurai? Didn't think so.

 

[MysticKenji]

1. Just as you can't compare my statement to yours, yet you still are. The point is, if you can't justidy Charizard being his own character (as opposed to a rotational character), then how can you justify adding in a flying lizard with lanky arms? The two arguements just bounce off each other; nothing more. All we know is Charizard isn't his own character, and Ridley can't be in a rotational, so how does he fare?
2. The person speaking in that context. Most adversaries of players in the game will act similar to the protagonist. Dark Samus fits better than Ridley.
4. Yup.

1. Charizard is part of a trio. Ridley isn't. Also, they can make one flying lizard work, then there should be no problem making another work.
2. So, this an opinion argument and I can ignore it? Kthx. Also, Ridley > Dark Samus
4. >_>

 

[Numa Dude]

Why Midna should be nothing more than an AT.

1. The entire idea that Sakurai is using some sort of rep system is idiotic. The tri-force trio (I count Shiek and Zelda as one) and maybe Y.Link (IMO cell shaded) are enough characters from Zelda. Anyone else does not deserve to get in at the expense of major characters from smaller franchises.

2. TP does not deserve to have a character exclusivley from it in smash as playable just because it's so recent and Sakurai is using the model. TP was average (for a Zelda game) at best and was not the perfect game it was hyped up to be. If anything the fact that the characters are using models from TP plus a stage is enough rep for TP.

3. She is not important enough to be playable. She was the helper character in TP and had about as much storyline importance as the king of red lions. She is deserving of AT status only, plain and simple.

 

[Bassoonist]

Isn't OoT Link and TP Link the same character(Same "Link"), but with a mixed up timeline (Correct me if I'm wrong). If so, then that's even worse than having WW Link (Even if they weren't in the same timeline, but not as much). And OoT/MM Young Link are a "real" younger version of that Link, so he is more identical than WW.

OOT Link is no less of a "different" Link than WW Link is. If we had to have a second Link Majora's Mask Link would be a much better choice.

OOT Link and TP Link are two different Links. Is it because they both have the realistic look that makes you think they're both the same Link?

And yea, like I said I did exaggerate a little. But I don't get what you guys mean by he is just another Link? Is it because his name is the same, is that the problem here? Or is there something I'm missing...?

It's just that we feel there are more deserving "different characters", not only outside of the Zelda series but also within it. With the diversity of Nintendo/Zelda characters I can't see why they'd waste the spot on ANOTHER Link.

 

[Jackal478]

This thread is nothing but opinionated things.

like

BONK:

1-HE WUZ N A GAEM ON TEH NITENDU

2-HES CUL

3-HEZ EXPANSIV

...No Bonk sucks. So does this thread

 

[Reyairia]

This thread is nothing but opinionated things.

like

BONK:

1-HE WUZ N A GAEM ON TEH NITENDU

2-HES CUL

3-HEZ EXPANSIV

...No Bonk sucks. So does this thread

What I find the most funny about smashboards is how everyone actually thinks they know what the requirements to get in are or that they decide who is AWSM or T3 GH3Y for Brawl.

 

[Gotann]

OOT Link is no less of a "different" Link than WW Link is. If we had to have a second Link Majora's Mask Link would be a much better choice.

That's not true at all, they are quite different. And MM Link being a better choice is pretty much an opinion.

OOT Link and TP Link are two different Links. Is it because they both have the realistic look that makes you think they're both the same Link?

They are? Are you sure? Well, anyways it's not because they're both realistic looking, (Although it is somewhat true) I really thought they were the same Link.

It's just that we feel there are more deserving "different characters", not only outside of the Zelda series but also within it. With the diversity of Nintendo/Zelda characters I can't see why they'd waste the spot on ANOTHER Link.

Yea I understand. There is a lot of "different" Nintendo characters to choose from. More deserving? Well, it depends. Zelda series wise, WW Link would be more deserving, if you think about it. Ninendo series wise, many other characters could easily take his place. But I don't see why having two sword and shield wielding characters is the end of the world. And remember, this a fighting game, it mostly matter on how the character plays rather than how he looks or who he represents.

 

[Bassoonist]

That's not true at all, they are quite different. And MM Link being a better choice is pretty much an opinion.

Of course it's an opinion. However, I think that MM Link could bring a much more unique moveset than WW Link could. Yeah, he'd have his Skull hammer and Deku leaf, but I just don't see that being as unique as MM Link.

They are? Are you sure? Well, anyways it's not because they're both realistic looking, (Although it is somewhat true) I really thought they were the same Link.

How in the world could they be the same Link? Of course OOT Link won't be making it into Brawl as Sakurai consider's TP Link a proper replacement.

I suppose I haven't kept up with the timeline stuff, but it just seems highly improbable that TP Link and OOT Link are the same person... They're from different times - Like OOT Link and WW Link.

Yea I understand. There is a lot of "different" Nintendo characters to choose from. More deserving? Well, it depends. Zelda series wise, WW Link would be more deserving, if you think about it. Ninendo series wise, many other characters could easily take his place. But I don't see why having two sword and shield wielding characters is the end of the world. And remember, this a fighting game, it mostly matter on how the character plays rather than how he looks or who he represents.

Again, it's two Links. Having two sword fighters is not a problem.

I personally think that the Zelda series is represented the best with just Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.

 

[Eaode]

Why Ridley Should Be in Brawl:

1. I believe Metroid is either the 3rd or 4th best selling Nintendo Franchise behind Mario, Zelda, (and Pokemon?). The Metroid games deserve more rep in Brawl than one character (as Zamus is confirmed as just a transformation). Ridley is the second most recurring character in the Metroid series second only to Samus, and he is the most recurring Metroid villain.

2. The "too big" argument holds no water. Ridley was the size of Samus in the original Metroid, and in the Melee intro. He has been downsized/upsized many times and Brawl should be no problem.

3. He is a unique character. Ridley is a tall, skinny, viscious but intelligent dragon. His moveset possibilities are endless. Anyone who says he is too "wierd" to fit in Brawl is probably biased and/or lacks creativity. There is no reason Ridley cannot "work" in Smash Bros. Plus he would give a refreshing break from other fighting styles. Even though Dark Samus would not be a clone of Samus, her moveset would still probably rely of Phazon based projectile and energy attacks.


Why WW Link should NOT be in Brawl:

1. No matter what you say; in terms of character value, he is STILL just Link. There is no reason for Link to get into Brawl twice because he has a different style.

2. So what if he could have his own moveset? Just because a character such as Link has so many abilities throughout the franchise as to not be able to fit all into one character does not mean that they should make another character just to utilize these abilites. If such were true than we could have Several appearances of Mario. Mario does not flip dimensions in smash, should Paper Mario be granted a spot in Brawl? Samus does not utilize her speed dash, power bombs, light suit warping, or X-Ray visor in Smash, should she have another spot in Brawl?

 

[Thedude3445]

This thread is nothing but opinionated things.

like

BONK:

1-HE WUZ N A GAEM ON TEH NITENDU

2-HES CUL

3-HEZ EXPANSIV

...No Bonk sucks. So does this thread

Wow. You are babbling about how this topic only has opiniated things, yet you are giving your opinion on Bonk. You are obviously a 9-year old who likes Wind Waker because you beat the first dungeon, and it's your favorite game, and you've read the people who have put up strong arguements on how he shouldn't be in the game. Most reasons people give are NOT opinions, actually.


Why Ridley should be in Brawl:

1. Umm....Why would Sakurai have his own stage and his music and not include him?
2. He is NOT too big. Meta-Ridley is, however, being Ridley with Mecha upgrades.
3. Has appeared in every Metroid game but Metroid 2.
4. He is not just a dumb monster, he's a smart space pirate leader.
5. Sakurai is focusing on aerial attacks this time around; Ridley can fly, which is aerial, fo you 9-year olds out there.
6. Metroid is the 3rd biggest 1st party Nintendo franchise of all time. It needs more than 2 reps, the same person in two forms.

Dark Samus should also be in Brawl, but I haven't played Prime games enough to have more reasons than:
1. It wouldn't have to be a clone.
2. It could have a really cool moveset. (opinion)

 

[ph00tbag]

1. You forgot the skull hammer, and he could have other items from his other games. Unless, they would only want use one game theme.

Go play Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, and tell me Link has never had a hammer.

This whole argument of "He has different items!" is completely bunk. Every link in every Zelda game has had completely different items. There have only been three items to have appeared in every game: arrows, bombs and boomerang, and that's why they are the items that Link uses in Smash.

Furthermore, the argument that he is a "different Link" is irrelevant. The original Link, OoT Link, LttP Link and TP Link are all "different" Links, however they all bear the Triforce of Courage, and they all save Hyrule from the Evil Ganondorf at least once.

I can't succinctly explain why with all this in mind, WW Link is an absurd character choice for Brawl. I will use irony to show this:
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LttP Link SHOULD be in Brawl.

1. He has one of the most unique movesets of any Zelda game with the Cane of Byrna, the Magic Cape, Bombos and Quake Medallions, and many other unique items, as well as items from Link's Awakening as well.

2. He is a different Link from TP Link, and thus nothing prevents him from being in Brawl.

3. He has appeared in two games, both of which are very popular and well-regarded out of the whole series.

 

[Gotann]

Go play Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, and tell me Link has never had a hammer.

This whole argument of "He has different items!" is completely bunk. Every link in every Zelda game has had completely different items. There have only been three items to have appeared in every game: arrows, bombs and boomerang, and that's why they are the items that Link uses in Smash.

Furthermore, the argument that he is a "different Link" is irrelevant. The original Link, OoT Link, LttP Link and TP Link are all "different" Links, however they all bear the Triforce of Courage, and they all save Hyrule from the Evil Ganondorf at least once.

Oops, I guess I forgot about that, my bad. Well, that's true, the item arguement isn't really good, in fact it's pretty stupid.

And yes, the "different link" thing is pretty much irrelevant, but so is the "just another link" thing. In the games/series, they are all different Links, but they all end up beating a guy named Ganondorf at the end. However, seeing how that character/design has made the Zelda series elvolved into something new, pretty much differents him a bit from the others. And since, he is from newer and more recent Zelda games, I don't he wouldn't make it, just like Lucas with Mother 3.

In the end, it's really up to how a person sees how much similarities or differences he has from the others. He is mostly another representation of Link like many other Link, but at the same time he has a lot of things that he brings, which the others don't. I wonder how Sakurai sees him??

 

[ph00tbag]

However, seeing how that character/design has made the Zelda series elvolved into something new, pretty much differents him a bit from the others.

Again, I ask you to look around the Zelda universe for Links that have the same design. Take a look at the manual art for the first Zelda games and tell me they look anything like the modern Links. There are perhaps three distinct design schemes for link. This is just saying again that LttP Link should be in because the big 80's hair design that was used in that game has been used in more games overall than TP Link's design. The argument just holds no water, whatsoever.

 

[Gotann]

Again, I ask you to look around the Zelda universe for Links that have the same design. Take a look at the manual art for the first Zelda games and tell me they look anything like the modern Links. There are perhaps three distinct design schemes for link. This is just saying again that LttP Link should be in because the big 80's hair design that was used in that game has been used in more games overall than TP Link's design. The argument just holds no water, whatsoever.

Yea, I remember well the old design for the older Zelda games. And it's true that the fact that the TP design, which only been used once, is the chosen design for Brawl, pretty much makes the argument "This design has been in more games so bla bla bla..." bogus or untrue at all. This is just one of the reason he should be in, so obviously he won't only make it because of that. Plus, do you really think a more recent and popular design would make it before an old and forgotten one (for some).
Anyways, I really doubt they're going to ignore the Wind Waker game(Or even Phantom Horglass), or even put him as a AT. If they do I'll be really surprised.

 

[Eaode]

@ Gotaan:

2. So what if he could have his own moveset? Just because a character such as Link has so many abilities throughout the franchise as to not be able to fit all into one character does not mean that they should make another character just to utilize these abilites. If such were true than we could have Several appearances of Mario. Mario does not flip dimensions in smash, should Paper Mario be granted a spot in Brawl? Samus does not utilize her speed dash, power bombs, light suit warping, or X-Ray visor in Smash, should she have another spot in Brawl?

Another reason against him.