Yes, how about you put your money where your mouth is?

[~N9NE~]

@ Reyairia: I support Ridley lol. There is a difference between saying Ridley's name and actually SHOWING Tingle as a trophy.

 

[Reyairia]

@ Reyairia: I support Ridley lol. There is a difference between saying Ridley's name and actually SHOWING Tingle as a trophy.

That's an awfully convenient decision for you to make. Especially when there's such thing as Classic Mode trophies, and there are trophies of everything.
-points to signature- I do too, I'm just using your arguments against you and pointing the invalidity out.

Funnily enough, I'm an otherkin, so if it's anyone that should be hating on Tingle it's me.

 

[ArticulateT]

Reasons why Ganondorf should come back

1. apart from two/three official zelda games, Ganondorf has been the main antagonist of every Zelda game in the franchise, and if not the main antaginist, he is somehow worked in as the final boss.a zelda game without him is similar to a ham sandwhich without the bread. as a staple character to the zelda franchise, Ganondorf would fit perfectly in the SE story line

2. if he makes it in with a twilight princess moveset, he has the ability to be de-cloned, and use the long sword he recieved towards the end of the game. not to mention moves from past games.

3. if Zelda can return, why can't Ganondorf? if Zelda makes it in, then it wouldn't seem as fitting without Ganondorf.

Who should be barred from the game entirley:

Waluigi:

1. he has only been a part of the mario franchise in sport and dance games, and is not important to the over all plot line in any way

2. as he made no appearance in the WarioWare franchise, he would have to be apart of the mario franchise and that wouldn't make sense

 

[HollabackRyu]

Well, FINALLY someone realizes that Tingle has a fair chance in Brawl.
As for the trophy appearance, Classic Mode trophies anyone?

Is that sarcasm too? Huh? wh0re!

 

[Reyairia]

Is that sarcasm too? Huh? wh0re!

Nice try, kiddo, this time you did manage to make me laugh.

 

[Super_alex2]

A.Reasons why Waluigi should NOT be in brawl:

1. Much more worthy characters
2. He is really lame, putting waluigi in brawl would make Brawl feel too much like Mario Party
3. no intresting moveset whatsoever

B.Reasons why Skull Kid(with Majoras Mask) SHOULD be in brawl:

1. Appeared in 3 Zelda games, OoT, MM, and TP. In MM and TP he plays major roles; the main villian in MM and he helps lead you to the Master sword in TP.
2. With Majoras Mask he could have a very unique and creative moveset.
3. Actually quite popular on the boards.

C.Reasons why Ashley should NOT be in brawl:

1. She has played a VERY minor role in the Wario Ware series
2. shes an annoying emo kid with a plush doll
3. Sakurai would have an emmensly hard time coming up with a moveset for her

D.Reasons why Captain Olimar SHOULD be in Brawl:

1. Could have possibly the most unique moveset in the game
2. Main character in one of Nintendo's newest series
3. Wanted by MANY people

E.Reasons why the Mother/Earthbound series SHOULD have at least one more rep.:

1. Great games!
2. Under rated for a long time now
3. We have had only Ness in SSB and SSBM, its time for someone new, other than a clone (thats right lucas fans!)

F.Reasons why WW link should NOT be in Brawl:

1. The only items he has that are different from the rest of the Zelda series are the Graple hook and the Deku Leaf, and the Wind Waker.
2. One Link is enough, we saw what happened in melee
3. he just wouldnt fit in with the other reps.

G. Reasons why Bomberman should NOT be in brawl:

1. All he does is throw bombs
2. None of his games are fun
3. do i really need another reason why not?

 

[vesperview]

B.Reasons why Skull Kid(with Majoras Mask) SHOULD be in brawl:

1. Appeared in 3 Zelda games, OoT, MM, and TP. In MM and TP he plays major roles; the main villian in MM and he helps lead you to the Master sword in TP.
2. With Majoras Mask he could have a very unique and creative moveset.
3. Actually quite popular on the boards.

Without being the bad guy on Majora's Mask skull kid is a nobody and you know it, his appearances in OoT and TP are not major roles so stop kidding yourself.

 

[Numa Dude]

Reasons why the Happy mask salesman should be in.

1. He could pay homage to Shigeru Miyamoto.
2. He could represent the most underrated Zelda.
3. He could have an original moveset with the masks.

Spoiler

This is obviously a joke so flame me and die.

 

[Chaosblade77]

Reasons why Dark Samus COULD (not should) be in Brawl:

1. Main villain throughout Prime series, which opened up the Metroid series to a ton of new fans. (If you say Dark Samus was not in the first one you clearly don't know the story behind the series).

2. Easier and more viable character from the Metroid series to "make work" than Ridley, and we know that Metroid does need a second (or third) rep.

3. Could easily be given an awesome, non-clone moveset, and would make for an interesting villain in SSE.

This does not mean I do not support Ridley, I really don't care which of the two get in, as long as one of them gets in to represent Metroid along with Samus. Both have their pros and cons (although most people use cons against Dark Samus that are far from true, eg. clone, same person as Samus, etc).



Why Minda should not be in Brawl:

1. Although she is an awesome character, she only appeared in a single LoZ game, out of how many?

2, Does Zelda really need more reps? The three most important characters from the series that reoccur are already in the game, I don't see why more are needed.

3. Her moveset would be fairly awkward, I am sure. She would make a great AT though.


WW Link Should NOT NOT NOT be in Brawl:

1. He is Link, and Link is already in Brawl.

2. Why do we need two of the same character? Even though WW Link has a few potentially different moves, his main attacks would generally be forced to make him a Link clone.

3. See point one, I think it's reason enough.


Doctor Mario Should NOT be in Brawl: See WW Link


Wolf SHOULD be in Brawl:

1. He could replace Falco as the slow[er], stronger rep from Starfox. Reason being, he is a villain and that is a plus, as well as his base popularity. Much of Falco's popularity only came from Melee, not so much his roles in the Starfox series.

2. Really, due to the nature of the characters, Starfox could only have three reps including Krystal without having a clone moveset. Both Falco and Wolf can't make it, and see other points for why Wolf > Falco.

3. Wolf could hold a better place in SSE than Falco, as a villain. Falco would be more support than a "good" role.


Why Roy should not be in Brawl:

1. He was more of a filler character in Melee, just to advertise his game.

2. He does not hold an important position in the Fire Emblem series. He, unlike Ike and Marth, only appears in a single game (excluding the very VERY end of FE7, after the credits I believe, where he said like 2 lines while he was 5 years old or so).

3. Even after Melee and a FE game, he is still a lot less popular than other FE characters, which even includes some supporting characters.

 

[Zevox]

B.Reasons why Skull Kid(with Majoras Mask) SHOULD be in brawl:

1. Appeared in 3 Zelda games, OoT, MM, and TP. In MM and TP he plays major roles; the main villian in MM and he helps lead you to the Master sword in TP.
2. With Majoras Mask he could have a very unique and creative moveset.
3. Actually quite popular on the boards.

Please, stop kidding yourself.

1) First of all, thats not even the a single character in all of those games. There are three Skull Kids in OoT (one to the left and two to the right of the entrance of the lost woods), one in Majora's Mask (which takes place in an alternate dimension), and one in Twilight Princess (which takes place over a hundred years after OoT, plus that one looks very different from the OoT ones, so they couldn't possibly be the same individual). The only semi-major role any member of the race has is in MM, when one is the vessel for Majora's Mask; and even thats not truly a the role of main villain, since the Mask itself is the one fulfilling that role, and the Skull Kid is just its puppet. In Ocarina of Time the Skull Kids are just a trio who give you rupees and heart containers for fulfilling various mini-games/quests. And in Twilight Princess you just have one being mischievous and leading you around the lost woods in order to trick and play with you - certainly theres no indication it knows anything about the master sword.

2) Thats irrelevant. The moves are added to the character if they get put in, the character isn't put in because of its moves.

3) If you think his cult following is popular, or that these boards are an accurate sample of fans of Zelda/SSB around the world, you're fooling yourself. Even Vaati is more popular than him.

Why Minda should not be in Brawl:

1. Although she is an awesome character, she only appeared in a single LoZ game, out of how many?

2, Does Zelda really need more reps? The three most important characters from the series that reoccur are already in the game, I don't see why more are needed.

3. Her moveset would be fairly awkward, I am sure. She would make a great AT though.

1) Sheik says "hi."
2) I point you to the fact that Zelda is one of Nintendo's three best-selling and most popular franchises worldwide. Yes, its more than reasonable for it to have more than 3 reps.
3) Thats both opinion and irrelevant. The moves aren't why characters get put in/left out.

A couple of my own:

Why Mega Man should be in Brawl:

1) Hes a classic video game icon, much as Mario and Sonic are, known by just about anyone who has heard of video games.
2) His history with Nintendo surpasses most third-party characters, as he started on the NES, has had very few non-Nintendo games, and has had many Nintendo-exclusive games and series.
3) Hes plainly the most popular remaining 3rd-party choice, and has always been #2 after Sonic in that regard.

Why Isaac should be in Brawl:

1) He is the first main character of a highly critically acclaimed series, which is owned by Nintendo (so no 3rd-party issues).
2) He received two mentions on Sakurai's "poll," and another Golden Sun character, Felix (the main character of the second Golden Sun game), received one, so plainly Sakurai is aware of and interested in the series.
3) Save Captain Olimar, he is the most requested character for Brawl from any non-represented Nintendo franchise.
4) Camelot has stated that both they and Nintendo are interested in continuing the series, but that they haven't yet had time to get around to making a third game of it. A Brawl appearance would do wonders for jump-starting the series' popularity and help any third installment's sales tremendously, even it took a few years for the third game to be made.

Zevox

 

[Glowsquid]

C.Reasons why Ashley should NOT be in brawl:

1. She has played a VERY minor role in the Wario Ware series
2. shes an annoying emo kid with a plush doll
3. Sakurai would have an emmensly hard time coming up with a moveset for her

1: She is not exactly the most important character in the WarioWare series, but she is more major than you seem to think.

2: Opinion.

3: Captain Falcon want to have a word with you, Ashley has shown the ability to cast magic spell, Captain Falcon did nothing but race in a car until SSB64.

I don't say Ashley have a chance of getting in, but I think you should find better reasons than that.

 

[tennisthehilife]

Reasons why Takamaru should be in:
1) His sword style is a samurai/eastern/JAPANESE. All the swords we have right now in Brawl are european/western. Japan needs a samurai.

2) He is retro, nintendo's first samurai.

3) According to FlipTroopa of the Official Takamaru for Brawl Thread: "Recently, Nazo cameoed in Pikmin 2 as an actual Famicom Disk, and it was rereleased for the GBA as part of the Famicom Classics Collection. So it's not like it's completely forgotten!" And I would like to see a continuation of Nintendo's samurai on Wii.

4) I like the theme song.

Background:
-Japan-Only Famicom Disk System title, Nazo no Murasame-jō.
-Sister game of Zelda
-Nintendo's first samurai character
-also has ninja attacks (which I kind of don't like, I'd rather have full samurai but this is good also.)

Heres the offical forum.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=73419

Heres a strategy guide.
http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Nazo_no...ou/How_to_play

Heres the game, speed run.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vZ4NUa-vydI

Heres the theme, awesome song, it would be great in brawl.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s5EKqi9uGcM

 

[Colenstien]

Reasons why Takamaru should be in:
1) His sword style is a samurai/eastern/JAPANESE. All the swords we have right now in Brawl are european/western. Japan needs a samurai.

2) He is retro, nintendo's first samurai.

3) According to FlipTroopa of the Official Takamaru for Brawl Thread: "Recently, Nazo cameoed in Pikmin 2 as an actual Famicom Disk, and it was rereleased for the GBA as part of the Famicom Classics Collection. So it's not like it's completely forgotten!" And I would like to see a continuation of Nintendo's samurai on Wii.

4) I like the theme song

QFT. Tennis I likes what you gots to says.

 

[Fearthesmash]

Reasons why Lloyd SHOULD be in brawl
1.While somewhat less popular in the Americas, The tales games are the second msot popular game/anime following dragon quest on the other side of the pond. The size of its popularity there is approaching en-masse cult.

2. He would be the only swordfighter in the game to use MORE THAN ONE sword(and no, I don't count WW ganon as a possibility)

3.He has an easy to create as well as variable moveset, as both ToS and SSB have similarities in their combat engines

4. He already has taunts and victory posses from the game

5.His flamboyant sword style fits the style of SSB, having some near magical sword attacks, and other more typical attacks.

6. He would be the only representitive from his franchise in SSB and he is the main character of the gamecube game, especially since another tales game is being made for nintendo

7. ToS is way too awsome a game to not be represented! Having a character from the series would open up possibilities from AT and tiems from the series.

8.He would be completely unique, no cloneness(I know thats not a word)/luigified moveset.

9. Though there only has been 1 Tales game for a recent nintendo system, LLoyd is pretty much the face of the Tales franchise regardless of system.

 

[~N9NE~]

That's an awfully convenient decision for you to make. Especially when there's such thing as Classic Mode trophies, and there are trophies of everything.

Ridley's name had to be mentioned for that music update, it's his music. While Sakurai could have avoided naming Ridley in the Norfair update, it is still logical to do so since that's his stage. Both uses of his name have some logic behind them.

Moving onto Tingle. In the trophy update you can see plenty of these Classic Mode trophies. However they are all characters who have been revealed. Why show Tingle's trophy separately if he is yet to be revealed? It's illogical.

G. Reasons why Bomberman should NOT be in brawl:

1. All he does is throw bombs
2. None of his games are fun
3. do i really need another reason why not?

I'm sorry but those are the worst reasons I have ever seen for Bomberman not to be included.

1. All he does is throw bombs.

What else do you want him to do? Conduct an army of ants? Use an axe? Or do you want him to use web slinging attacks? His name is Bomberman. That's who he is, bombs are his being. Of course if he's going to be in Brawl he's going to use bombs, and if he didn't use bombs, I wouldn't like it because that wouldn't be Bomberman. Take a look at the moveset in the Bomberman thread. There are loads more movesets that people have come up with aswell, all original and could potentially be used.

2. None of his games are fun.

I don't know what to say. Do you honestly think that is a good reason for Bomberman not to be Brawl? Just because you personally don't find his games fun? That is the worst reason I have ever heard.

I don't find Mario's games fun. Maybe that means he shouldn't be in Brawl?

3. do i really need another reason why not?

Yes you really do because the other two you used were pathetic. If Bomberman was so underserving of a place in Brawl I'm sure you would be capable of producing at least three reasons.

 

[Drclaw411]

If tingle had even a remote chance of being in Brawl he wouldn't look like **** in the trophies section.

he looks like parappa the rapper

 

[tennisthehilife]

I'm sorry but those are the worst reasons I have ever seen for Bomberman not to be included.

1. All he does is throw bombs.

What else do you want him to do? Conduct an army of ants? Use an axe? Or do you want him to use web slinging attacks? His name is Bomberman. That's who he is, bombs are his being. Of course if he's going to be in Brawl he's going to use bombs, and if he didn't use bombs, I wouldn't like it because that wouldn't be Bomberman. Take a look at the moveset in the Bomberman thread. There are loads more movesets that people have come up with aswell, all original and could potentially be used.

2. None of his games are fun.

I don't know what to say. Do you honestly think that is a good reason for Bomberman not to be Brawl? Just because you personally don't find his games fun? That is the worst reason I have ever heard.

I don't find Mario's games fun. Maybe that means he shouldn't be in Brawl?

3. do i really need another reason why not?

Yes you really do because the other two you used were pathetic. If Bomberman was so underserving of a place in Brawl I'm sure you would be capable of producing at least three reasons.

^ I completely agree, Bomberman isn't bad. Bomberman's moveset would involve alot of Bombs but he does have some other stuff that he can use. Smash can do it!

His games were one of my all time favorites.
Years ago me and my friends would always play Smash Bros 64, Star Fox 64, Mario Party, Mario Kart, and Bomberman 64.

Wow all those games were great, I miss those days.

Bomberman 64 was so fun, 4 player action. I loved pumping up giant bombs and getting someone with them and spreading curses. My most favorite thing to do was bounce a bomb off someones head to make them dizzy so I can pick them up and throw them off the stage. <-- Hey thats Smash right there, off the stage to kill FTW!!! Hes ready for Brawl.

All the games after 64 were bad. Lets hope for a better Bomberman Wii!

Bomberman for Brawl!!!

 

[Gotann]

F.Reasons why WW link should NOT be in Brawl:

1. The only items he has that are different from the rest of the Zelda series are the Graple hook and the Deku Leaf, and the Wind Waker.
2. One Link is enough, we saw what happened in melee
3. he just wouldnt fit in with the other reps.

1. You forgot the skull hammer, and he could have other items from his other games. Unless, they would only want use one game theme.

2. Why do people keep saying? It wouldn't be the end of the world if another "Link" was included. And the point is not to have another "Link" in the roster but to have THAT Link.

3. Yea....sure whatever. T.T

WW Link Should NOT NOT NOT be in Brawl:

1. He is Link, and Link is already in Brawl.

2. Why do we need two of the same character? Even though WW Link has a few potentially different moves, his main attacks would generally be forced to make him a Link clone.

3. See point one, I think it's reason enough.

1. His name is Link. But he is not the Link from TP, he's a different character. Would you guys still be saying that if, his name was different, he would wear only his pyjamas instead of the green outfit, and the game would still be called Zelda: Wind Waker??

2. Not really, looking at WW Link and TP Link fighting style, they look quite different. And what about Luigi, he suffers the same problem of WW Link, and yet he is bound to be in game (And people keep bashing on WW Link and not him).

3. No, no it's not..


Why WW Link should be in Brawl:

1. After Wind Waker's success, that Link has really made his mark in the series. Including the usage of the design of the future games and having his own sequel. He is basically his own character, now.

2. Even if he is another hero with a green outfit in a Zelda game, he is very unique and different from the others. Including his fighting style and items.

3. He's quite popular. He was in the Sakurai poll, which means people actually cares about him.

 

[Reyairia]

3. He's quite popular. He was in the Sakurai poll, which means people actually cares about him.

Link's uncle was in the poll.

 

[Break]

I find it hilarious that "putting your money where your mouth" is no more substantial than stating a combination of rationalized facts and opinions.

If you really want to put your money where your mouth is, I bet there are a couple of online service out there that would allow you to make actual wagers against eachother. Putting your hard-earned money on the line: That's how you separate the men from the boys.

 

[Bassoonist]

WW Link is still just another Link. It's an opinion, and a widely held opinion.

For a reason. We need more unique characters. In fact I think the Zelda series would be properly represented with just Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf as playable.

 

[tirkaro]

why mike jones SHOULD be in brawl.

1. was from a classic NES game, which has a large cult fanbase

2. The game's creator, Genyo Takeda, who also made punch out, is friends with sakurai. One of his creations, little mac, ended up as an AT, which leaves room for his other creation, mike jones, to be a PC.

3. now that ness is gone, mike jones could use a yoyo-oriented moveset without being too similar to ness.

4. Since japan-only characters are a given, mike jones could even things out a bit, since he's western-only.

why takamaru SHOULD be in brawl

1. was from a major japanese FDS game, and the sister game to zelda, much like how KI was to metroid.

2. sakurai said he would consider takamaru and pit depending on how well thier famicom mini games sold. pit got in, despite the fact that his game sold less than takamaru's (and the famicom mini kid icarus was released WORLDWIDE, while the NNMJ famicom mini was only released in japan)

3. takamaru ranked very high on the polls, even higher than lucas, a confirmed japan-only character

4. could add some new flavor to brawl, since he's a samurai, and all other swordsmen are european-styled

5. His only competion, samurai goroh (and lyn, to a lesser extent), has been AT'd, making him completely original.

 

[Gotann]

Link's uncle was in the poll.

Opps, Sorry.

-3. He's quite popular. And he was voted 3 times in the Sakurai Poll, which means people actually cares about him.

WW Link is still just another Link. It's an opinion, and a widely held opinion.

For a reason. We need more unique characters. In fact I think the Zelda series would be properly represented with just Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf as playable.

I guess you're right. Although, the way you say it makes like there are exactly the same. Because I could say Luigi is just another Mario, which is not really true. Plus, it's not really a big deal, is it?

And it's true, Zelda, Link, Ganondorf pretty much sums up the Zelda series. But they almost represented all Nintendo's big GC titles, and I doubt Wind Waker would get ignore like this.

"We need more Unique characters", mm... Well, so far all the characters that have been announced are quite unique. But if they really want to create a unique roster than that means goodbye Luigi, Jigglypuff, Falco, etc. And I doubt some of them will disappear, unless they're really aiming for that. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but the ones that say that "WW Link is another Link", has to explain it better than this.

 

[Reyairia]

Opps, Sorry.

-3. He's quite popular. And he was voted 3 times in the Sakurai Poll, which means people actually cares about him.



I guess you're right. Although, the way you say it makes like there are exactly the same. Because I could say Luigi is just another Mario, which is not really true. Plus, it's not really a big deal, is it?

And it's true, Zelda, Link, Ganondorf pretty much sums up the Zelda series. But they almost represented all Nintendo's big GC titles, and I doubt Wind Waker would get ignore like this.

"We need more Unique characters", mm... Well, so far all the characters that have been announced are quite unique. But if they really want to create a unique roster than that means goodbye Luigi, Jigglypuff, Falco, etc. And I doubt some of them will disappear, unless they're really aiming for that. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but the ones that say that "WW Link is another Link", has to explain it better than this.

I still say WW Link for an Alternate costume to Link. You get your character, and no one gets pissed off at lack of variety.

 

[Your Hero]

Without being the bad guy on Majora's Mask skull kid is a nobody and you know it, his appearances in OoT and TP are not major roles so stop kidding yourself.

I didn't know he was in TP until I saw the post you quoted lol (and I beat the game too lmao.)

 

[Chaosblade77]

1) Sheik says "hi."
2) I point you to the fact that Zelda is one of Nintendo's three best-selling and most popular franchises worldwide. Yes, its more than reasonable for it to have more than 3 reps.
3) Thats both opinion and irrelevant. The moves aren't why characters get put in/left out.

1. I disagree with Sheik being playable alone. With Zelda again is fine, but that's about it.
2. Donkey Kong is more popular worldwide than LoZ. Yet it only had one rep in both SSB and SSBM? Two so far in Brawl, and possibly a third, but it's still fairly unlikely.
3. True, but still, characters that are more important to a series as a whole AND easier to make movesets for will be put in before a character only in one game of a series, and who will be difficult to create a moveset for, I am pretty sure of that.

1. His name is Link. But he is not the Link from TP, he's a different character. Would you guys still be saying that if, his name was different, he would wear only his pyjamas instead of the green outfit, and the game would still be called Zelda: Wind Waker??

2. Not really, looking at WW Link and TP Link fighting style, they look quite different. And what about Luigi, he suffers the same problem of WW Link, and yet he is bound to be in game (And people keep bashing on WW Link and not him).

3. No, no it's not..

1.

WW Link is still just another Link. It's an opinion, and a widely held opinion.

For a reason. We need more unique characters. In fact I think the Zelda series would be properly represented with just Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf as playable.

^ That pretty much covers it. Fact is, he is still Link, and I disagree with a character being in the game twice just in two different styles.

2. Luigi might get a completely different moveset this time around, we don't know that Luigi will be a half clone yet. So using Luigi as an example, or "Luigifying" is not a valid argument, as of yet. If we see Luigi come back as he was in Melee and is still a half clone, that will be different.

3. See point one again.

Why WW Link should be in Brawl:

1. After Wind Waker's success, that Link has really made his mark in the series. Including the usage of the design of the future games and having his own sequel. He is basically his own character, now.

2. Even if he is another hero with a green outfit in a Zelda game, he is very unique and different from the others. Including his fighting style and items.

3. He's quite popular. He was in the Sakurai poll, which means people actually cares about him.

1. I wouldn't call him his own character. Point one from above applies here.

2. He will have different types of moves from that game specifically, but you could really do that with nearly any Zelda game, as there are new and different items and techniques that are added specifically for that game. Eg. Masks in Majora's mask. Or using the Ocarina. WW Link has a few items from his specific game and his wand for special attacks, but by your logic, Link could be in the game 4+ times easily with different movesets.

The moves aren't why characters get put in/left out.

I think that applies here.

3. Wind Waker actually got mixed reviews. A lot of people disliked it a lot, so that is opinionated as well. Waluigi was on the poll too, as were several other ridiculous characters that would never make it.

 

[vesperview]

3. True, but still, characters that are more important to a series as a whole AND easier to make movesets for will be put in before a character only in one game of a series, and who will be difficult to create a moveset for, I am pretty sure of that.

Captain Falcon, Sheik, Mr Game and Watch and Fox say hi, while they did star in their own series (Minus Sheik), they never had moves before appearing in Smash.

 

[Bassoonist]

I guess you're right. Although, the way you say it makes like there are exactly the same. Because I could say Luigi is just another Mario, which is not really true. Plus, it's not really a big deal, is it?

And it's true, Zelda, Link, Ganondorf pretty much sums up the Zelda series. But they almost represented all Nintendo's big GC titles, and I doubt Wind Waker would get ignore like this.

"We need more Unique characters", mm... Well, so far all the characters that have been announced are quite unique. But if they really want to create a unique roster than that means goodbye Luigi, Jigglypuff, Falco, etc. And I doubt some of them will disappear, unless they're really aiming for that. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but the ones that say that "WW Link is another Link", has to explain it better than this.

Fact of the matter is the game wouldn't make sense without Luigi. Luigi has a lot of differences from Mario plus he's VERY important to the Mario series. The same thing can't be said about Wind Waker Link in the Zelda series as a whole.

Why have Wind Waker Link and not Young Link from OOT/Majora's Mask? Why not have ADULT Link from OOT as well? OOT is an incredibly popular game.

I fail to see how Jigglypuff isn't unique. If you think floating like Kirby is enough to make a character not so unique than you're going to hate Brawl with all of the "gliding" characters.

 

[MAtgSy]

To go against the Crowd

Why Waluigi SHOULD be in SSBB. Oh yes I dare.

1. He has been the victim of Catch 22. People say he shouldn't be in major games because he hasn't been in major games. Reread that last sentence out loud & try to say that it makes any sense. How could any character improve his reputation if no one will give him the chance? Both gamers & Nintendo themselves are guilty of being unfair to this guy. The initial premise of the character is decent enough: a rival for Luigi & a sidekick for Wario. But Nintendo never really followed through with that. So why SSBB as the game to relaunch Waluigi's career? Eh, it's what's avalible at the moment. Besides, Smash has done wonders for FE & Metroid, it could certainly help him out.

2. Contrary to popular opinion, the various sports games & other Mario spinoffs are JUST AS IMPORTANT to Nintendo as the Mario platformers & RPGs, THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP MAKING THEM! The fact that SSBB has a Mario Kart stage is proof enough of how much the spinoffs matter. & guess what? Waluigi's been in the MAJORITY of them. All but 3 of the Parties (but who counts the GBA entry?), half of the Karts by the time MK Wii is out & just about all of the sports games. He's even playable in the long awaited crossover between Mario & Sonic, a game in which Toad & Donkey Kong are NOT playable! Clearly he does matter to Big N.

3. For the record, Waluigi was a main antagonist in a Mario game before. The game in question was DDR Mario Mix in which Waluigi attempted global domination in the game's story mode.

4. In terms of movesets, he does have possibilities. 1st of all, with those lanky arms & legs, he should have some pretty darn good reach. Those legs also strike me as "springier" than the marios so he would have a good jump. Attacks could involve sports equipment, the kart weapons, the karts themselves, dance moves & the Mario basics.

5. The only other decent new Mario rep at this point is Bowser Jr. who has been in less games than Waluigi.

 

[xianfeng]

If Tingle was going to be a playable character why would they show him as a trophy before we get the update revealing he is playable?

Are you Sakurai?

They wouldn't do that. It defies logic. The newcomers are kept secret until they are revealed.

Oh sorry Mr Sakurai, I had no idea that you had all these secret rules that you never revealed to the public.

But why would they show him as a tropy before they revealed him?

I dunno because he's immensly popular! Maybe? Or maybe because Sakurai doesn't really follow by fan made rules and just does whatever he wants to, stop pretending you know what he's thinking.

1. He has been the victim of Catch 22. People say he shouldn't be in major games because he hasn't been in major games. Reread that last sentence out loud & try to say that it makes any sense. How could any character improve his reputation if no one will give him the chance? Both gamers & Nintendo themselves are guilty of being unfair to this guy. The initial premise of the character is decent enough: a rival for Luigi & a sidekick for Wario. But Nintendo never really followed through with that. So why SSBB as the game to relaunch Waluigi's career? Eh, it's what's avalible at the moment. Besides, Smash has done wonders for FE & Metroid, it could certainly help him out.

Metroid didn't need that much help, Super Metroid was a HUGE hit, sold almost as well as Donkey Kong Country 2. It was massive. And maybe if Waluigi had the popularity to back up an appearance in a main game he would appear there however he doesn't. He is severly disliked by most Mario fans and Nintendo fans in general.

2. Contrary to popular opinion, the various sports games & other Mario spinoffs are JUST AS IMPORTANT to Nintendo as the Mario platformers & RPGs, THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP MAKING THEM!

Then why don't they sell nearly as well or recieve nearly as much advertisement from Nintendo. They are cheaper and easier to make than the main games and are a way Nintendo uses of whoring out the Mario franchise.

The fact that SSBB has a Mario Kart stage is proof enough of how much the spinoffs matter. & guess what? Waluigi's been in the MAJORITY of them.

Super Mario Kart? Nope
Mario Kart 64? Nope
Mario Kart Super Circuit? Nope
Mario Kart Arcade GP? Nope
Mario Kart Double Dash? Yes
Mario Kart DS? Yes
Mario Kart Wii? Yes
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2? Yes
That's half not the majority :|, 4 he was in 4 he was out. And plus the Mario Kart series has been around since the SNES, which is sorta becoming retro you know and considering all of the Big 8 from Mario aside from Toad are in and Mario Kart 64 is the game when they first became that huge hit as a group.

He's even playable in the long awaited crossover between Mario & Sonic, a game in which Toad & Donkey Kong are NOT playable! Clearly he does matter to Big N.

Donkey Kong has his own franchise duh. And if he matters so much to "the Big N" why has he never appeared in a mainstream mario game, why has he never appeared in a Wario game at all, why has he never been giving a starring role? Why has he never been mentioned in a main game? Why has he never receieved his own game?

3. For the record, Waluigi was a main antagonist in a Mario game before. The game in question was DDR Mario Mix in which Waluigi attempted global domination in the game's story mode.

This was not a main Mario game, it was a spinoff game made by a third party company.

4. In terms of movesets, he does have possibilities. 1st of all, with those lanky arms & legs, he should have some pretty darn good reach. Those legs also strike me as "springier" than the marios so he would have a good jump. Attacks could involve sports equipment, the kart weapons, the karts themselves, dance moves & the Mario basics

Everybody has a possiblity for a moveset that is not a valid point, Sakurai can give a moveset to a goomba if he wants to,

5. The only other decent new Mario rep at this point is Bowser Jr. who has been in less games than Waluigi.

But he has been given more starring roles than him, become an important character to the franchise and even has a little bit of popularity, something that Waluigi has never had.

 

[Rubydragon]

I can't see WW Link in there at all. His graphical style would be too different, and he is just another Link. I mean, it's like adding Paper Mario (which is my second favorite RPG series of all time, Golden Sun takes spot one), he still seems a little awkward. It's just my opinion, don't kill me for having one please...


Let me see, I had about seven reasons why Isaac should be in Brawl, I saved them, let me see if I can find them...

 

[Guglio]

Kids these days. I haven't read pages 4 or 5 so idk if Someone did these or not, but I suspect not.

DARK SAMUS - YES

1. The Metroid series needs another character, and with Zamus being an alternate version of Samus, doesn't help much. Ridley is too "weird" to be a character, in much of the same ways that Charizard couldn't be his own character. Further more, Dark Samus is the ultimate villain for this purpose.

2. Any person who says they are the same or Dark Samus is supposed to be an alt costume should go kill themselves now, or rent Prime 2 and 3. Other than aesthetics, the characters are completely different. Not even their moveset would be the same. Anyone who's played Prime 2 and 3 can vouch for this.

3. If people can ask for Wolf, who would, ideally, be identical to Fox but slower and more powerful (much like Ganondorf is now) can't refute Dark Samus. That would be the epitome of hypocriticalness.

ZANT - YES

1. Every game needs the random, "WTF" character, much like Mr. Game & Watch was, and the Ice Climbers to an extent. Since IC was re-confirmed, bu G&W wasn't, that leaves that slot open.

2. He's a new guy, much like Midna, who people seem to embrace. Also, a healthy split of 3 heroes and 2 villains is good representation for a series (Link, Zelda, Midna in this example, Ganondorf, Zant).

3. His moveset could vary from the Twilight Tyrant at the beginning to the out of control lunatic he is at the end. There is so much diversity here.

LUCARIO - YES

1. Pokemon needs new pokes to represent, not older, useless ones like Pichu. Lucario is a fighting pokemon and is new, and this is more or less a fighting game.

2. He has long range attacks and close combat attacks (no pun intended). He uses both well, so that's some points there.

3. Much like Marth and Roy, he has a counter type move in Me First. The concept of counters has been explored and it's not super abusive, so that's an easy addition for Lucario.

 

[MysticKenji]

1. The Metroid series needs another character, and with Zamus being an alternate version of Samus, doesn't help much. Ridley is too "weird" to be a character, in much of the same ways that Charizard couldn't be his own character. Further more, Dark Samus is the ultimate villain for this purpose.

REASONS WHY THIS STATEMENT FAILS
1. Charizard =/= Ridley
2. It has no basis
3. It is completely subjective
4. There are plenty of "weird" chracters

 

[Super Mario Whirled]

(Eh- no Geno yet? That's almost surprising, so...)

Geno

1. He has amazing support, by both fans and Sakurai. Even if you hate him with a passion, there's no getting around his huge fanbase. This plus the fact Sakurai mentioned him five times in his journal makes for great chances.

2. He has moveset potential. Unlike some [not to be named for the sake of myself] characters, that at most could have a few good smash moves and nothing more, Geno comes packed and ready with four special moves, one stat raiser (which could be easily altered into a recovery move), three guns, two cannons and the ability to punch/kick/**** up all who oppose him.

3. He could drastically promote the sale of Super Mario RPG on the Virtual Console. Not much more to be said about that, especially if you're a Brawl fanatic. (Which you have to be, if you're here and posting on SWF. ) Like Snake says: "Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory."

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

Are you Sakurai?

Oh sorry Mr Sakurai, I had no idea that you had all these secret rules that you never revealed to the public.


I dunno because he's immensly popular! Maybe? Or maybe because Sakurai doesn't really follow by fan made rules and just does whatever he wants to, stop pretending you know what he's thinking.


Metroid didn't need that much help, Super Metroid was a HUGE hit, sold almost as well as Donkey Kong Country 2. It was massive. And maybe if Waluigi had the popularity to back up an appearance in a main game he would appear there however he doesn't. He is severly disliked by most Mario fans and Nintendo fans in general.


Then why don't they sell nearly as well or recieve nearly as much advertisement from Nintendo. They are cheaper and easier to make than the main games and are a way Nintendo uses of whoring out the Mario franchise.


Super Mario Kart? Nope
Mario Kart 64? Nope
Mario Kart Super Circuit? Nope
Mario Kart Arcade GP? Nope
Mario Kart Double Dash? Yes
Mario Kart DS? Yes
Mario Kart Wii? Yes
Mario Kart Arcade GP 2? Yes
That's half not the majority :|, 4 he was in 4 he was out. And plus the Mario Kart series has been around since the SNES, which is sorta becoming retro you know and considering all of the Big 8 from Mario aside from Toad are in and Mario Kart 64 is the game when they first became that huge hit as a group.


Donkey Kong has his own franchise duh. And if he matters so much to "the Big N" why has he never appeared in a mainstream mario game, why has he never appeared in a Wario game at all, why has he never been giving a starring role? Why has he never been mentioned in a main game? Why has he never receieved his own game?


This was not a main Mario game, it was a spinoff game made by a third party company.


Everybody has a possiblity for a moveset that is not a valid point, Sakurai can give a moveset to a goomba if he wants to,


But he has been given more starring roles than him, become an important character to the franchise and even has a little bit of popularity, something that Waluigi has never had.

total aussie ownage

 

[Guglio]

REASONS WHY THIS STATEMENT FAILS
1. Charizard =/= Ridley
2. It has no basis
3. It is completely subjective
4. There are plenty of "weird" chracters

Reasons why that statement fails
1. Your point =/= changes mine
2. It has more basis than your #2
3. In the same way any arguement is, including yours
4. Learn to spell characters first.

 

[Rubydragon]

I still laughed so hard when I read that Luigi is just another Mario. Thanks man, you made my night, but caused everyone in the house to wake up, wondering what all the fuss was about.

 

[Thedude3445]

Hey, Link's uncle could be in Brawl!......as an AT.


Tennisthehilife, have you played Bomberman DS's multiplayer?

Okay, here it goes and stretches the page vertically =P :

Why Midna should be in Brawl:

1. She's from TP, which is obviously Sakurai's design for Zelda in Brawl.
2. She played a HUGE part in the game, and is the most popular new character since probably Tingle.
3. She has two forms and Wolf Link to ride on.
4. There are so many movesets that could be created it's almost hysterical.
5. Her Head-arm cas stretch around, acting as a tether recovery move, a grab, and a move that is like Sheik's Sdie-B, which is in my opinion one of the most innovate moves in Melee. Especially since I don't remember the chain in any part of OoT.
6. Sakurai is looking for innovative characters, so why not Midna?
7. Zelda is the second most popular Nintendo franchise, so 3 reps + Young Link is not really enough, regarding the 9+ Mario/Mario spinnoffs reps.

Why Waluigi SHOULD be in Brawl:

1. Also very strange and innovative, which is what Sakurai wants.
2. Though he has not been in any Mario platformers (aka the "cannon" games. It's Mario people! There is no cannon!), he has been in over 10 games, more than most supported characters (including Wart, Daisy, DK Jr, the Viruses, E. Gadd, Petey P. Toadsworth, Birdo, and Bowser Jr. (I support Wart and Bowser Jr. for Brawl though)).
3. He DOES have a personality, even though a filler.
4. He was the main villain of DDR: Mario Mix, seriously.
5. His height allows for long punches, almost like Lanky Kong, and could easily be a high tier for smashes.
6. Because of his spinnoff-only appearances, he does not have any certain games in which people expect moves from, unlike Luigi's Vacum and Wario's Wario Land ram. Meaning, he could use moves from ANY of the MP games, or any sports game (Think of a final smash with Strikers soccer balls on fire htting the gound like meteorites!)!

7. Just because his fanbase is small (I generally pick Luigi and Yoshi over him in MP, and in Mario Tennis, I don't think I have beaten singles or doubles with him. Well no, maybe I have. I have mained him in Strikers (both)), doesn't mean he can't be in it. Hey, who here knew Ness, Roy and Marth, or Nana and Popo before they appeared in Brawl? (I knew Ness.) Sakurai loves putting unknown character in Smash Bros. !

8. He is actually evil, not just a greedy guy who betrays anyone in sight for money like Wario, and could serve a good role in SSE.

Why Bowser Jr. should be in Brawl:

1. He is well known throughout the Mario fanbase
2. His first game (Super Mario Sunshine) already has a stage.
3. Without extra forms, he could be a Luigi-like Bowser "clone", which is what Wolf would have been.
4. He has been in many games, just a few less than Waluigi and Daisy.
5. He obviously has the brush to use like a sword, pulling in and out.
6. He can tranform in Shadow Mario like Zelda and Sheik, who can also use the brush.
7. The amount of final smashes is so great, it's....great! =P

ex. Summons a Muck Pirhana that shoots muck fireball-like things at people, and eats them then spit's them out violently.

Turns into a small Giga Bowser that is shorter than Mario, but can jump higher and is faster, along with being able to use items.

Mecha Bowser goes to the back of the stage and obliterates the stage with fire.

Those Goomba-like things standing on top of each other form on the stage as hazards, while Bowser Jr. transforms into the electric koopa that can be controlled.

8. Very innovative, just like the last two.



Why Young Link SHOULD return to Brawl:

1. Modelled after OoT, and I don't think Sakurai would ignore the best Zelda ever for the lesser sequel completely.
2. He could be buffed, and his arrows should be replaced.
3. Since Link's moves now have different effects, Young Link is not a clone.


Done with shoulds. Actually, I support almost every character for brawl, 1st or 2nd party. What bothers me is 3rd party.

Why Megaman (flame sheild) shouldn't be in Brawl:

Okay guys, there is nothing wrong with Megaman. I like his games, and him. But to be in Brawl? There's already two 3rd party characters, and even though there could be that 3rd one, I don't think it's gonna be him. Why? Look:

1. Megaman is very popular. Though, when is the last non-remake/port time the original Megaman appeared in a game? Megaman 64, yes. Which was basically a port of ther PS1 version, which leads me to...
2. Capcom and Nintendo are great friends, ever since the NES days! That would be true.....in 1994. You see, when the Playstation 1 came out, many companies left Nintendo, like Square, Konami for 2 years, and yes, Capcom. During a long period of time, Capcom released Megaman X4-6, Megaman 8, and Capcom vs. _____, all of which had Megaman or Zero in it. None of them were released on a Nintendo system. Yes, they released Megaman 64 in 2000 or 2001, an N64 version of the PS1 game released a while before. So they finally decided to come back? Yes, but only after SM64, Mario Part, Banjo-Kazooie, Diddy Kong Racing, Goldeneye, Rouge Squadron, Tetrisphere, and Super Smash Brothers were out, and Paper Mario, Banjo-Tooie, and Majora came out a few months later, or even before!
3. Yeah, Capcom made Minish Cap since then, so they're friendly? Well, I believe this was part of a contract that they had signed to make the Oracle trilogy, and since the third wasn't finished, they made MC instead.
4. But Megaman is popular now, you say. No, Megaman "Battle Network" is popular nowadays, and is popular because of the acursed anime on WB. And what about X? Seriously, when was X's last great game? 1995.

Yeah, sorry. That was a bit of a rant, since I'm Anti-Sony.

 

[MysticKenji]

Reasons why that statement fails
1. Your point =/= changes mine
2. It has more basis than your #2
3. In the same way any arguement is, including yours
4. Learn to spell characters first.

1. Yes, it does. You cannot compare Charizard to Ridley, therefore your staement on why he shouldn't get in is invalid.
2. Who defines what a "wierd" character is?
3. Meh.
4. Way to not even try to arue that point.

 

[Guglio]

1. Yes, it does. You cannot compare Charizard to Ridley, therefore your staement on why he shouldn't get in is invalid.
2. Who defines what a "wierd" character is?
3. Meh.
4. Way to not even try to arue that point.

1. Just as you can't compare my statement to yours, yet you still are. The point is, if you can't justidy Charizard being his own character (as opposed to a rotational character), then how can you justify adding in a flying lizard with lanky arms? The two arguements just bounce off each other; nothing more. All we know is Charizard isn't his own character, and Ridley can't be in a rotational, so how does he fare?
2. The person speaking in that context. Most adversaries of players in the game will act similar to the protagonist. Dark Samus fits better than Ridley.
4. Yup.