Yeniths' Falco videos [Updated April 15th]

[Yeniths]

Hi there, just wanted to get a few of my videos out there to see what people think!, all advice you guys have will be helpful. As i still feel that my approach with Falco is lacking.

So please take a look at a couple of the videos, preferably the later ones. and give your advice regarding them
Thanks.


Videos:

April 15
Some of the following match ups are vs R.O.B, I'm finding it very difficult fight, as you have to change the whole way to play in order to fight him effectively. So all advice here would be great.

Vs R.O.B:

1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqQREOSK08k
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8SbPpEsu1E
3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vagLrEDlLM

1v1s:
1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgejPgEVUs
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-yJBSW6Gtw


April 6th:
1v1s:
1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ04b870chk
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a7SiEUzMkU
3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaR7haDbl-8
4)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHqfGqidJms
5)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=070nTxJkcmc
6)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgQyTAUz5w
7)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n07OpuewyKk - my personal favorite from this day



March 24th
1v1s:
1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iYDMYVLwI
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW5_9qLVSKU
3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ayzopq2WDQ
4)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcWP1RkTbbM



March 23rd:
1v1s:
1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM7hjPZ38zA
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odUHNgxZloE
3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlJgf9Elx4A
4)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RWPS-pBLfA
5)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Q2YaH20Dw
Team Matches:
6)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJ8lj07VNs


Please reply with your comments on here or on the videos themselves,
Thanks Yeniths.

 

[Trainwreck]

uhhh are you expecting people to go thru every single video to critique your ability to use falco? why dont u pick a couple that demonstrate your abilities thouroughly and label each one.

 

[Blad01]

Some cool vids !

But you don't seem to control perfectly the SHDL (the REAL !), and the Dash Attack into Up SMash.

 

[Yeniths]

uhhh are you expecting people to go thru every single video to critique your ability to use falco? why dont u pick a couple that demonstrate your abilities thouroughly and label each one.

No, of course not, that would be asking way to much, I'm sure most people have better things to do, but i plan to update this thread as time goes on, adding to it, and using this format is the best way i can think of doing

looking at the most recent videos, and commenting on them would be great however.

Some cool vids !

But you don't seem to control perfectly the SHDL (the REAL !), and the Dash Attack into Up SMash.

haha thanks, but yeah, thats defiantly my downfall as of now when it comes to Falco, the SHDL is taking me a while to get used to, but I'm sure with time ill get the hang of it, same with the dash->upsmash!

 

[RenegadeRaven]

The last one of the April 6th set was good, you weren't solely relying on Falco's chain grab like the others. Since the Wolf expected it he was able to avoid and and get some damage in. You also didn't rely on spiking and edgehogging, you actually chased him in the air and finished with a bair. Great matches and Great Falco.

 

[ellelaby]

I watched one of the April 6 videos.

For the first stock, the Wolf was beating you and you were really doing a lot of things wrong. There was a point when both of you were rolling a lot and you were trying to fsmash the wolf. Really, what you should have done was tapped A A A, this causes him to roll out from the side you are hitting him in. From there you have more options and gain more control. Well that's one of my tactics anyway. On top of that, you can't sheild the AAA for longer than a second, or maybe you can, I'm not sure, but if you do, their sheild will break very fast.

Another problem with your fighting was that when you were trying to rack up damage you were doing it aerially. Why? You were both on the platform and you were short hopping and kicking. This is what I try to do something and it can be good in some cases, but this is not for racking up damage: There is little hitstun in this type of playing and on top of that most of Falco's arials hit low, especially the one where he shorthops and throws multiple punches. You'll get it what? Like 4% on him? And then he'll fsmash you and hit a 15. This, I believe is one of the weaknesses of Falco and I lose to my brother for silly little reasons like this even though I'm more superior in skill. And I'm cutting out these problems by spacing him and I've been winning lately. Otherwise, those last 2 stock of your were brilliant, probably better than I can do (but I haven't yet practiced my spikes that much or my chain grabs either).

When I get my LAN adapter I look forward to fighting you =)

 

[Yeniths]

The last one of the April 6th set was good, you weren't solely relying on Falco's chain grab like the others. Since the Wolf expected it he was able to avoid and and get some damage in. You also didn't rely on spiking and edgehogging, you actually chased him in the air and finished with a bair. Great matches and Great Falco.

Thanks man, i often feel like that I'm trying to get Falco's chain-grab in whereas i could simply do a dash attack or something else which would help me better in that situation, guess I've just got to try and get out of the habit of using it as much!

I watched one of the April 6 videos.

For the first stock, the Wolf was beating you and you were really doing a lot of things wrong. There was a point when both of you were rolling a lot and you were trying to fsmash the wolf. Really, what you should have done was tapped A A A, this causes him to roll out from the side you are hitting him in. From there you have more options and gain more control. Well that's one of my tactics anyway. On top of that, you can't sheild the AAA for longer than a second, or maybe you can, I'm not sure, but if you do, their sheild will break very fast.

Another problem with your fighting was that when you were trying to rack up damage you were doing it aerially. Why? You were both on the platform and you were short hopping and kicking. This is what I try to do something and it can be good in some cases, but this is not for racking up damage: There is little hitstun in this type of playing and on top of that most of Falco's arials hit low, especially the one where he shorthops and throws multiple punches. You'll get it what? Like 4% on him? And then he'll fsmash you and hit a 15. This, I believe is one of the weaknesses of Falco and I lose to my brother for silly little reasons like this even though I'm more superior in skill. And I'm cutting out these problems by spacing him and I've been winning lately. Otherwise, those last 2 stock of your were brilliant, probably better than I can do (but I haven't yet practiced my spikes that much or my chain grabs either).

When I get my LAN adapter I look forward to fighting you =)

Hey man, thanks for the advice, but your definatly right in many aspects, i feel that i have a habit of short hopping into aireals, were i could simply use ground attack ,even as simple as Falco's AAA combo. I dont really use this much at all really, mayb i should give it more of a chance, might come in handy

As for Falco's Shine, i really can't get along with it, i find myself being punished for using it, it seems to leave me open, and doesn't really seem to combo well, can you recommend anything?

You can count on a online match sometime tho, I'm in the Uk so i may have to wait until the game is out here as if i try to play online with the japanese copy that i currently own, the lag makes it extremely hard to play seriously.

 

[J-MaC]

Some cool vids !

But you don't seem to control perfectly the SHDL (the REAL !), and the Dash Attack into Up SMash.

whats SHDL? sorry

 

[Yeniths]

whats SHDL? sorry

Short-Hop Double-Laser , its used instead of firing Falcos lasers along the ground, as you don't have lag after you fire them in the air, as opposed to when you fire them while on the ground

 

[Hawks go Caw]

I only watched the first and last video for April 6, but they were both really good. Really nice spike in the first stock of the last video.

There was one moment in the last video where Wolf is just spamming his reflector and you're just out of range and all you do is dodge/sheild. Why not use Falco's reflector? You shouldn't use the reflector too much since it's so punishable, but it seems like you don't utilize it enough.

 

[ellelaby]

Thanks man, i often feel like that I'm trying to get Falco's chain-grab in whereas i could simply do a dash attack or something else which would help me better in that situation, guess I've just got to try and get out of the habit of using it as much!



Hey man, thanks for the advice, but your definatly right in many aspects, i feel that i have a habit of short hopping into aireals, were i could simply use ground attack ,even as simple as Falco's AAA combo. I dont really use this much at all really, mayb i should give it more of a chance, might come in handy

As for Falco's Shine, i really can't get along with it, i find myself being punished for using it, it seems to leave me open, and doesn't really seem to combo well, can you recommend anything?

You can count on a online match sometime tho, I'm in the Uk so i may have to wait until the game is out here as if i try to play online with the japanese copy that i currently own, the lag makes it extremely hard to play seriously.

Use Falco's shine against anyone who has a projectile. Don't really bother with it aginst people like Marth and Ike. I also find against swordsman that it leaves me open to. It does, what, 6% and then leaves you open for someone like Ike to smash 15-20% or something. Its really something that Falco players have to cut out of their game.

Though one real beauty of Falco's shine (not just reflecting projectiles such as Pits arrow) is that it can completely control a game. I mean absolutely. Lets say Falco is playing someone else. And that someone else is kicking falco's ***. And no matter what the Falco does he cant seem to gain an upperhand. Well he can get damage in, but the other player just seems to be having a good day and is comboing non-stop and getting every smash in. What can shine do for you? It can completely slow a game down. Falco becomes a campy little ***** and hes just shining and rolling away. Its extremely slow damage, but it can frustrate the other player, they change their technique and before you know it, you have the upperhand and your knocking them all over the place.

Also, for any reason at all, the shine is good to knock your opponent out of the stage and then they'll try to ledgegrab. Not really great for spiking, but it can change the pace of the game.


I play a type of game where my opponent and I are just rolling non-stop and missing. I usually win out in these type of fights because of my AAA. I get them once, roll, and I just keep getting them. Use this technique if chain grabbing isn't working early in the fight. Or use it until you can get a chaingrab on them. Try and cut out the shorthopping aerials too, though they are great when your opponent is very high damage (80%+) because you'll be knocking them around the stage no problem and it WORKS because the shorthop is fast, confusing and is very distracting.

If you are to to ever shorthop and aerial at low damage, I suggest doing the shorthop + A attack where Falco seems to spin side on like a tornado. I am not exactly sure, but from memory I think this works well below 50% because its got a fairly good knockback and Falco has just enough time to recover. Once he has recovered, your open to AAA him, which your opponent will probably then roll in the other direction to get away. A good distraction is to then put your sheild up and your opponent will probably then dash at you or roll towards you, that is when you PUNISH them and they'll be sent flying (if at high %) or if at low % its best to spam another 2 smashes and if your lucky you'll have quickly racked up about 45% from the 3 smashes. But at least 15-30% so it all comes out good.

These are the sort of techniques I use. Though I have found that my opponents still manage to get damage on me. How? Because of my stupid mistakes. Usually I find that I get my brother up to 70-80% and I'm only 0-5%. And then he cries out, "stop using that move" or "stop shooting or I'll quit it." Wtf? Well he's only turning 14 in 2 weeks. But this takes away from my whole game. I then have to balance the game out a little bit. And most of the time, because of this, he ends up winning.

Another thing that seriously annoys me is how I am much better than him with most of the players he uses (he uses a lot of players) and I really try and balance the game out to make it fairer. What I really need to learn is to never give anyone anything. As in, never let them hit me or put any % on me. With me, its all there with Falco. The only thing is I have to break the habit of being easily hit. Maybe this is because I'm playing my brother that yells **** out and it'll be different when I get my LAN adapter and start playing other people or even at a RL turney.

But yeah, I've seen the potential in Falco to barely get a hit on him. The AAA game is one of them. I can quickly get people up to around 70$ and make awesome 80% comebacks with it and it also opens up heaps of combos with FSmash. I really think people have to stop thinking about trying to make their style like a Melee style. AAA should truly be part of every Falco's moveset, not ALWAYS but SOMETIMES. Implementing AAA racks up damage fast and I'm still in the process of learning how to evade my opponents attacks at every instance and racks this damage up.

The only problem with AAA is that with implementing it with side B and other various attacks seems to wreck your game up and leave you open. I can't really explain how, but later on I'll definitely look into it. You need to play a close game when using AAA, implementing dashes some up As (maybe) and definitely FSmashes. Another trick is to use shorthops and use about 3 of Falcos quick aerial punches. As soon as you hit the ground you punch another 3 times. This technique seems to be absolute and is very aggressive and CONTROLS the game. But its repetitive nature makes your opponent switch their battle plan and the game changes. That is why the AAA needs to be practiced in every situation. I've also found that the AAA can leave you open to attacks. But with implementing aerials it works.

Sorry its is confusing. The first 2 paragraphs answer your question though. Most of it is just my thoughts which aren't yet finalised =P

 

[J-MaC]

Short-Hop Double-Laser , its used instead of firing Falcos lasers along the ground, as you don't have lag after you fire them in the air, as opposed to when you fire them while on the ground

OH! I do that all the time. I just didnt know thats what it standed for. LOL thanks

 

[Skalor]

Im Skalor the Wolf in the Vids. Just thought id say thanks for the tips youve given to Yeniths! Im gonna link my wolf thread to this one, and im sure Yen will do the same.

 

[Juber]

I'll admit, you have the chaingrab down...but if these are just friendly matches, why abuse it? Its a great tactic for puttin on damage, but I know if I were Wolf I would probably be annoyed with the constant use of said chaingrab...im not flaming you for using it, but when im chillin with my friends I dont wanna do anything that they would consider "cheap" or "lame"...personally I got annoyed FOR wolf when I was watching the vids...you used it at least 2 times per match each match...just IMHO post

 

[Skalor]

I'll admit, you have the chaingrab down...but if these are just friendly matches, why abuse it? Its a great tactic for puttin on damage, but I know if I were Wolf I would probably be annoyed with the constant use of said chaingrab...im not flaming you for using it, but when im chillin with my friends I dont wanna do anything that they would consider "cheap" or "lame"...personally I got annoyed FOR wolf when I was watching the vids...you used it at least 2 times per match each match...just IMHO post

Im the wolf. Tbh I dont mind if he does it. I know ill have to live it when playing tournaments or any competitive match, so ive just learn to accept it. At first it was REALLY annoying, but like I said, im ok with it now. Before he could get a spike out of it everytime, but to prevent it working so well i let him deal me some damamge to begin with. Theres a way around it.

We do actually fight each other competively, but some might still class it as a friendly.

 

[Yeniths]

I'll admit, you have the chaingrab down...but if these are just friendly matches, why abuse it? Its a great tactic for puttin on damage, but I know if I were Wolf I would probably be annoyed with the constant use of said chaingrab...im not flaming you for using it, but when im chillin with my friends I dont wanna do anything that they would consider "cheap" or "lame"...personally I got annoyed FOR wolf when I was watching the vids...you used it at least 2 times per match each match...just IMHO post

Hey thanks for commenting, but as for the chain-grab, the reason for using it as a constant tactic is simple because, well yes these are friendly matches, but we still take it seriously enough to make them competitive, and most like a tournament setting as possible,besides in a tournament situation, many players will have to deal with the constant chain-grab from the likes of Falco and DeDeDe, and you can hardly blame a Falco player for getting some free damage in right?

Use Falco's shine against anyone who has a projectile. Don't really bother with it aginst people like Marth and Ike. I also find against swordsman that it leaves me open to. It does, what, 6% and then leaves you open for someone like Ike to smash 15-20% or something. Its really something that Falco players have to cut out of their game.

Though one real beauty of Falco's shine (not just reflecting projectiles such as Pits arrow) is that it can completely control a game. I mean absolutely. Lets say Falco is playing someone else. And that someone else is kicking falco's ***. And no matter what the Falco does he cant seem to gain an upperhand. Well he can get damage in, but the other player just seems to be having a good day and is comboing non-stop and getting every smash in. What can shine do for you? It can completely slow a game down. Falco becomes a campy little ***** and hes just shining and rolling away. Its extremely slow damage, but it can frustrate the other player, they change their technique and before you know it, you have the upperhand and your knocking them all over the place
I play a type of game where my opponent and I are just rolling non-stop and missing. I usually win out in these type of fights because of my AAA. I get them once, roll, and I just keep getting them. Use this technique if chain grabbing isn't working early in the fight. Or use it until you can get a chaingrab on them. Try and cut out the shorthopping aerials too, though they are great when your opponent is very high damage (80%+) because you'll be knocking them around the stage no problem and it WORKS because the shorthop is fast, confusing and is very distracting.

If you are to to ever shorthop and aerial at low damage, I suggest doing the shorthop + A attack where Falco seems to spin side on like a tornado. I am not exactly sure, but from memory I think this works well below 50% because its got a fairly good knockback and Falco has just enough time to recover.
What I really need to learn is to never give anyone anything............. But its repetitive nature makes your opponent switch their battle plan and the game changes. That is why the AAA needs to be practiced in every situation. I've also found that the AAA can leave you open to attacks. But with implementing aerials it works.

Sorry its is confusing. The first 2 paragraphs answer your question though. Most of it is just my thoughts which aren't yet finalised =P

Hey there, thanks for commenting back, this has gave me a few decent ideas that I'll make sure i try out next time we play some serious matches, which should be in a couple of days hopefully, some of the advice you said should lead into a few new mind games and perhaps a few new combos^^, I'm always looking for new ways to add things to my game, especially the shine, I loved it in melee, but however have not found a good use for it yet, but i hope that will change in the near future.

I only watched the first and last video for April 6, but they were both really good. Really nice spike in the first stock of the last video.

There was one moment in the last video where Wolf is just spamming his reflector and you're just out of range and all you do is dodge/sheild. Why not use Falco's reflector? You shouldn't use the reflector too much since it's so punishable, but it seems like you don't utilize it enough.

Hey, thanks for the comment, your right there, right now i just can't seem to find the right time to use the reflector without it punishing me, but i guess practice makes perfect right?

 

[Juber]

Yeah I suppose you are right...better to train for with your friends for tournaments then to train at tournaments for your friends...btw are you using "Z" or are you using "R+A" (going by the GC contrl) if you use any of the others, do you use just the "grab" button or do you use the "R+A" deal? For some reason I heard the "R+A" tactic has more range...oh and I noticed sometimes for the chaingrab you didnt have to dash foward a bit...you just stood there and nabbed him...is that just timing? =O

 

[Yeniths]

Yeah I suppose you are right...better to train for with your friends for tournaments then to train at tournaments for your friends...btw are you using "Z" or are you using "R+A" (going by the GC contrl) if you use any of the others, do you use just the "grab" button or do you use the "R+A" deal? For some reason I heard the "R+A" tactic has more range...oh and I noticed sometimes for the chaingrab you didnt have to dash foward a bit...you just stood there and nabbed him...is that just timing? =O

Hey there, as for my grabs i use R+A, as my chain-grab usually start from a shield, as for the R+A having more range then simple Z alone, im not sure on that, but ill look into it, to get the chain grab down perfectly i find it much easier for them to approach me rather then the other way around, which is why sometimes you'll notice me standing there going for a grab

 

[ellelaby]

Hey there, as for my grabs i use R+A, as my chain-grab usually start from a shield, as for the R+A having more range then simple Z alone, im not sure on that, but ill look into it, to get the chain grab down perfectly i find it much easier for them to approach me rather then the other way around, which is why sometimes you'll notice me standing there going for a grab

My Z button squeeks so I use my adjusted player name that's grab is also X.

But I'll try the sheild + a.

 

[Yeniths]

My Z button squeeks so I use my adjusted player name that's grab is also X.

But I'll try the sheild + a.

Hey There, right well I've been testing this as I'm pretty sure that the rumour that shield+A gives more distance when grabbing opposed to using Z alone is false, I can not seem to get any evidence to see if or not this is true, and right now to me, it seems it is not.

On a side note, I'll have more videos up in the next day or so, should be decent, been working on SHDL as well as my spacing, there should be a few new combos in there too!, thanks.

 

[MyRevenge.]

Very nice Falco...
These vids will help me with my own :D

 

[ellelaby's younger brother]

Hey There, right well I've been testing this as I'm pretty sure that the rumour that shield+A gives more distance when grabbing opposed to using Z alone is false, I can not seem to get any evidence to see if or not this is true, and right now to me, it seems it is not.

On a side note, I'll have more videos up in the next day or so, should be decent, been working on SHDL as well as my spacing, there should be a few new combos in there too!, thanks.

My spacing is coming across awesome. I practiced for maybe an hour to an hour and a half on combos today... I was comboing twice on the ground and then comboing twice in the air, sometimes three or four times in the air. This was on level 7s. I've also combo with almost every move now (or try to) the only time it can be hard to combo is with the dash, because sometimes they get instant recovery and then send YOU flying.

A good way to edge guard is: when your opponent grabs onto the ledge, then jumps toward the stage, stand away from the edge ( a good space) and then when your opp jumps, shorthop and then bair and you'll send them flying.

I've practiced my spiking and overall K0ing in the air (off the ledge) so much that I feel confident at any time to jump off the edge and smack my opponent around and then firefox back into the stage. It's pretty good, good =)


Btw, I created this acc because I forgot my password on my ellelaby account. Well my brother did, I'm just using it until the admins send me an e-mail so I can get my pass back. Because I had remember password set and then I logged out for my brother to create his own acc....

I've been practicing on practice mode lately against lvl 7 cpus in particular. Yenith, how many can you kill consecutively, without dying? I'd just like to know =) Because I know your a good player, and right now I dont have wifi, and I really want to know how I rank up against you.

 

[Repulse X]

^^If I were you I wouldnt get used to practicing combos on comps, but i guess since you dont have wifi theres no other option. But once you get wifi, no more compssss

 

[ellelaby's younger brother]

^^If I were you I wouldnt get used to practicing combos on comps, but i guess since you dont have wifi theres no other option. But once you get wifi, no more compssss

I think so to.

I was comboing for a long time against the non-moving cpus on practice mode and then when I fought my friend and my brother (1v1 fights) and even against moving cpus on group-brawl I didn't combo that well.. I mean I learnt many new WAYS to combo, but my comboing seemed to just be the same. I was also linking different attacks with other attacks that I surprised me.

 

[Yeniths]

Thanks for the response guys, got a few new videos up also!, check em out if u get some time, there is more to come within the next day or two.

 

[MyRevenge.]

Hey Yeniths, I saw the new vids you posted (I'm subscribed ehehe)
But there was a problem with the first video...
I'm not sure if it's just me... but the video wouldn't go past 19 seconds...
Check it out if you can :D

 

[Yeniths]

Hey thanks, but for the video seems to be working fine for me, cheers for taking a look tho, I'm having real trouble with ROB, not sure how to improve on fighting him.