Yeah the wavedashing stuff gets old but...

[The Hypnotist]

I want to know how old the wavedashers are compared to how old the anti wavedashers are. I'm guessing there's some connection. Oh, and not just wavedashing, advanced techniques over all, also mention if you play with items or not. How is this relevant to Brawl? If age is related to skill I'll be able to guess the age of the opponent I'm facing online. Also, without making a big deal out of it, and no arguements or flaming or anything, BRIEFLY state why you use or do not use advanced techniques (including wavedashing).

I'm 16 (17 in 4 days) and I use wavedashing and other advanced techniques because they make me play better, it's very difficult to play the ICs well without wavedashing, I don't see them as cheap. I don't play with items because they put more luck into the game, which I don't like, because I like games that require as much skill as possible. With out advanced techniques, you will get owned in matches (with no items assuming you playing someone who knows how to use advanced techniques)

P.S. Rocking the new siggy...

 

[maxpower1227]

I'm 24 and I use it occasionally - not as much as some of the others (and I don't even have that much time to play the game any more these days). I just get annoyed at everyone's obsession with it.

 

[Conformal_Invariance]

5/f/cali

I never give my real age, haha!

I stand by my "If they're happy with it, let them be." position.

I neither hate nor like wavedashing. I tried it a bunch with Ness once, but it just didn't feel like the thing to do... though I still find myself twitching on occasion.

I'm pretty sure everyone L-Cancels... even us Casuals.

Shffling? I never really stick the l on, but... I've only really ever used it as Ness.

I play with items.

Why?

I enjoy items. (And explosions)

Pokeball? I toss, Ho-Oh comes out. Awesome! Later, I get another Pokeball, throw it... Goldeen. I get hit in the face and scream "CURSE YOU GOLDEEN" while making my way back to the platform. Mines, Bob-Ombs, Super Scope, Green Shell, Starman... all of them add to the hectic craziness of a match. Items at Very high, Pokeballs only on Flat Zone? SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN!

(I also refuse to make a brief statement here.)

 

[Circus]

I'm 17 (have been for about half a year now). I don't wavedash because I don't find it fun. I'm a casual player. Despite not wavedashing, and without extra practice, I'm still better than my Smash-playing friends, therefor I don't need it (and if I did get good with it, I may find myself without people to play with). I have a perfectly enjoyable time just jumping around and flailing, with just a tad bit of strategy and sense, of course.

I also play with items on (with some exceptions), because I like that degree of randomness. It's always fun to be on the edge of death before grabbing a heart container, smashing your opponent, and stealing the win.

On a similar note, the only stage I usually keep "off" is Infinite Glacier. For reasons you can probably guess yourself.

If anything, I'm a little older, yet I probably play the way a "tween" would by most pros standards.

 

[Betaz]

I'm 18 i never used items even before i knew of advanced techniques
(i main Marth and Samus) i started using them after the Nintendo Power Article.
I use them mostly for speed however i'm not a pro don't really go to tourney's or anything i've only
been to one and that was because it was near my house

however i don't specifically consider myself as a casual either i can do all techniques it's all just implementing into gameplay

 

[Cojiro]

20. I don't wavedash.

I'm happy if they leave it in though, I'll be fine if it can't be done as well.

The really good players (not me, just saying) will adapt in any case.

All I really want is a definite answer in a week's time so this pointless, irrelevant argument can stop.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Very interesting guys, keep it up!

 

[LavisFiend]

I am 18 and I play the **** out of the game.

I try to milk every possible drop out of it everytime.

I don't really care about wavedashing and all those other advanched techniques....

I have always naturally SHFF from the get go (learned about L canceling a year ago, still forget to tag that on from time to time)

In my eye, SHFFL is far more deadly than an evasive maneuver.

 

[Zauron]

I'm 30, and have played Smash on my lunch breaks every day since it came out. I wavedash and use all the other techniques possible - and no, I'm not one that just does the technique to show I can, I incorporate them into my mind games to improve my game. I have placed high in multiple tournaments.

However, I will not be too upset if some advanced techniques are removed or nerfed, as I'm sure other new techniques will be found. Wavedashing and other techniques are a great tool, but in many tournaments I have found that having great technical skills really doesn't mean as much as you'd think when faced against excellent mind games. Many who could pull off very tricky techniques and even chain them together well are shamefully defeated by someone who used no advanced techniques but employed superior strategy and mind games.

 

[Kirby knight]

I'm 17 and I don't wavedash. I do however use most of techniques regarded as ADV(SHFFL). The main reason why I don't wavedash is due to my character selection (Jiggypuff, Peach) and the fact that I can't seem to do it properly or incorporate it into my game effectively.

Granted I may force myself to learn in if it's still included in Brawl, but as of right now I'm content not being able to do it and still be able to play effectively.

-Knight

 

[Chi's Finest]

I'm about to be 20, and I don't use wavedashing. It broke Melee so bad. Yes, I kow how to do it and I'm not some noob. I've had the game since release date and have always prefered to lay the traditional way.

Just like in Gears, how I was forced to adapt to new methods like wall bouncing, etc, it broke the game and took away from it's original style of play.

 

[M@v]

I know how to do it, but i dont really use it often...I can get the job done without it. And im not going to waste my time mastering it since it wont be in Brawl.

 

[kilroy]

i'm 28.

i'm anti-WDing because i find it to be aestheically jarring and unpleasing to look at. it appears to me as outside the bounds of the natural movement of the character, and thus "breaks the 4th wall," if you will. as WDing is now, i don't want it in Brawl. if it is given a visual overhaul to include it and make it look natural, then i'm sure i'll have no problem with it. in short, i think it's ugly.

i utilize all other ATs because they are useful and i find their performance to be either consistent with the game's paradigm or subtle enough to go mostly unnoticed during the frantic fighting. (for example, i consider l-canceling visually subtle even while it has the greatest game effect.)

i prefer to play with items because it adds more skill to the game, such as timing throws, power, distance, dodging, catching and power-shielding. it also forces you to adapt more and somewhat mitigates tier differences.

i understand the argument about not wanting explosive boxes or party balls to appear on you so i hope in Brawl they give us the option to turn those off, thus hopefully allowing for a new, choice selection of items to be permissible in at least some accepted tournies, if not all.

i will play w/o items if that's what my opponent wants, or to remove certain items (health, starman, cloak, and things of that sort.)

i main Luigi, with ICs in second.

 

[_X_]

Fact: Most people don't Wash Dash because:

a) They cannot do it

b) Cannot do it affectivly in battle

b) All of the above

And also Wave Dashing is not only an "evasive maneuver". Just look at Fox's Drill shine > WD > UP-SMASH OR Ice Climbers WD>Smash attacts

 

[LavisFiend]

Fact: Most people don't Wash Dash because:

a) They cannot do it

b) Cannot do it affectivly in battle

b) All of the above

And also Wave Dashing is not only an "evasive maneuver". Just look at Fox's Drill shine > WD > UP-SMASH OR Ice Climbers WD>Smash attacts

I am well aware of that. I said evasive maneuver because that is what it is. There is an obvious, "and then some" to it, but other than that, it's evasive.

and yes, I can do it. It is retardly easy to do. second choice is all me.

 

[Xanderous]

64 and I use it when I can.

 

[Fanewgie]

I'll be 22 in exactly a week.

I don't wavedash because I feel like it actually slows my game down; I spend more time in the air than I do on the ground. I do short hop, roll dodge, air dodge, air grab items, and shield grab. I never really bothered to master L-cancelling, though I don't really have a reason. Just didn't feel like it. I can successfully chain grab on occasion. I suck at tether recovery, though I don't primarily use anyone who has one.

If I have to point out who I main, then you need to get your eyes checked. Though, I also find myself using Ganondorf and Yoshi frequently.

I currently play timed (usually 5 min) matches with items off, both for the same reason. My main source of competition are my two step brothers, who are (I think) 12 and 16. Up until a few months ago, all they would do during matches was run away, both looking for items to give them an edge, and hoping that I would get worn down by computer or other human players by the time I got to them. I made both changes to help teach them how to play more seriously, and it's finally beginning to pay off, as they've started giving me good matches.

I've been considering transistioning items back into our matches, if not now, then with the release of Brawl.

I tend to turn off stages depending on what irritates me at a given time. I play stages for the themes present and not necessarily the layout, and therefore, generally dislike Final Destination. Most stages I dislike are due to an exploitable game mechanic and not because of random luck (example: ricochet throw KOs on the bottom of Great Bay).

Edit: I personally don't care if wavedashing is in Brawl, though I don't plan on doing much random matches online anyway to see people wavedash around in circles to show off like they do in combo vids. If anything, just like Ridley, I don't want to see it in Brawl just because of everyone's obsession over it.

I think that's it...? Hope it helps your study!

 

[_X_]

I am well aware of that. I said evasive maneuver because that is what it is. There is an obvious, "and then some" to it, but other than that, it's evasive.

and yes, I can do it. It is retardly easy to do. second choice is all me.

You say it like I told you to do it. You may be able to do it, and that's not a great feet, but I'm going to assume since you don't do it you cannot effectively utealize it in battle.

If there is ever a decent Ice Cimbers play who doesn't wave dash I would be ... well there's no point finishing that sentense becuase there aren't any.

WD holds some characters their Tier list place.

AND WD is NOT primely considered an evasive maneuver, it's considered a movement, like walking/running a jumping. Shield rolling and dodging they're what I'd call "evasive maneuvers".

 

[Team Giza]

18 and I use wavedashing. I've played in tournaments and other stuff... blah blah blah. Other generic stuff. But I would like items on... especially smash ball.

 

[NK Cyborg]

I'm 20 and I don't know how to wavedash. At all. I've never even seen it done before. As for items, I'll hold onto my favorite ones while throwing the ones I don't care for at my opponents.

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm 16 and I wavedash, there's nothing wrong with it. Most people that try to pass WDing off as a easy way to win don't even know how to use it so it's kinda funny watching them base their argument on of 1 hour of wavedashing.

I don't use items, they screen stretch and break the flow of normal the match, plus the AI stops fighting just to get the item.

 

[LavisFiend]

You say it like I told you to do it. You may be able to do it, and that's not a great feet, but I'm going to assume since you don't do it you cannot effectively utealize it in battle.

If there is ever a decent Ice Cimbers play who doesn't wave dash I would be ... well there's no point finishing that sentense becuase there aren't any.

WD holds some characters their Tier list place.

AND WD is NOT primely considered an evasive maneuver, it's considered a movement, like walking/running a jumping. Shield rolling and dodging they're what I'd call "evasive maneuvers".

Well no duh man, I said this.

and no, but you did directly refer to my post, and I was merely replying.

It is a friggen opinion man. I consider it evasive, because that, to me, is how I see it used much more effectively due to the spacing that it gives off and etc.

 

[Chi's Finest]

Fact: Most people don't Wash Dash because:

a) They cannot do it

b) Cannot do it affectivly in battle

b) All of the above

And also Wave Dashing is not only an "evasive maneuver". Just look at Fox's Drill shine > WD > UP-SMASH OR Ice Climbers WD>Smash attacts

I can do it, and effectivelly in battle, but I just prefer to play the game the way it was meant to be played. Same with all the people I play Melee with.

 

[Somasu]

I'm 21, and I am a user of the advanced techniques.

What got me started using them was none other than Zelgadis' combo video, Shined Blind (don't worry, I realize he isn't anywhere near the best person out there..). A friend of mine just randomly pointed his video out to me about a year ago, and I was like "Wow, that stuff is cool! I wish I could do it!"

Seeing that lead me to smashboards, which got me to learn and practice all of the techniques, which lead me to going to smash tournaments, which lead me to finding my crew, which overall lead me to becoming better at this game. (That grammar is so terrible, I bet, but **** it at 2:50 AM)

So, basically, my reason behind using the advanced techniques is to make me a better player at this game. Improving my skills in order to beat the competition is the greatest satisfaction I've ever gotten out of Smash.

 

[SiD]

I'm 18. I don't use items, and I use all advanced Techniques. (Cept pivoting, I can't do that one unless I'm not trying to.) I can wavedash, I can do so effectively. However, I will be happy if it does not make a return appearance in Brawl. Why you ask? I personally do not like the way it changes how you play the game. In order to compete, it has to be used basically. I don't think it's cheap, but I do think the game would be better without it.

That being said, I don't necessarily think it should be removed from the game, for the simple reason that most people don't even know about it, but the pros use it and like it. So I don't think it's exactly fair for them to remove it, but I'll certainly be happy if they do. And it seems likely that they will, so yay for me.

 

[Blade Knight]

honestly i dont use wavedashing now call me a n00b (im not been playing since i was 7) but i find it pretty pointless and im the best person ive ever faced!

 

[Red Exodus]

@ Chi: If the game was meant to be played a certain way Sakurai would have made the game around that certain way. We can turn off items, we can turn them up high, we can play on one stage 1000 times, we can play on every stage 1000 times.

There is not right or wrong way to play the game, I don't know where you got the idea from but it a makes no sense. Any developer with a brain lets his customers play the game they way they want to.

 

[Kelexo]

I'm 17, I don't wavedash. I play with items on low, because they make the game fun, and low keeps them from being TOO random. I play with casual people whom don't even really know what it is, and we enjoy the hell out of it.

 

[KirbySSB]

I'm 18.

I wavedash in melee (along with all the other "advanced techniques") and play in tournaments, and I don't really care too much if it's removed or not.

However, at this point I'm hoping it's in just to shut up all the 4chan ******* trolling the site.

ALL FOX FINAL DESTINATION HURRRR

 

[Chi's Finest]

@ Chi: If the game was meant to be played a certain way Sakurai would have made the game around that certain way. We can turn off items, we can turn them up high, we can play on one stage 1000 times, we can play on every stage 1000 times.

There is not right or wrong way to play the game, I don't know where you got the idea from but it a makes no sense. Any developer with a brain lets his customers play the game they way they want to.

I'm willing to bet you're one of those 11 year old kids on Xbox Live that plays every multiplayer match using a cheap glitch and says "well, it's in the game, so it's allowed" or "you can do it too"

 

[Fanewgie]

I'm willing to bet you're one of those 11 year old kids on Xbox Live that plays every multiplayer match using a cheap glitch and says "well, it's in the game, so it's allowed" or "you can do it too"

Anyone who plays a game and abuses glitches using the "it's in the game, it's allowed" excuse should play World of Warcraft for a week and watch how Blizzard handles exploits and exploiters.

 

[KirbySSB]

I'm willing to bet you're one of those 11 year old kids on Xbox Live that plays every multiplayer match using a cheap glitch and says "well, it's in the game, so it's allowed" or "you can do it too"

There's absolutely nothing gamebreaking about wavedashing though... this is the most hilarious part of the whole argument.

 

[LavisFiend]

Whats worse: exploiting a glitch, or pounding away at a hapless victim with legit sensitivity issues?

 

[SSoH]

I'm 19 and i try to wave dash and dash dance to play mind games and get opponents to attack, then punish the lag.

I l-cancel any moves I can, though I'm not perfect at it, I can l-cancel the fair majority of my moves.

Mostly, what I use wave dash for is to dodge an attack going backwards, then hit the c-stick forward to forward smash. It works pretty effectively, so that's why I've kept it. Even if I don't wave dash in a match (i usually will), I l-cancel to get some combos going.

I've found learning these techniques to set the gameplay faster, which in my opinion, makes it more fun and competitive.

 

[_X_]

Well no duh man, I said this.

and no, but you did directly refer to my post, and I was merely replying.

It is a friggen opinion man. I consider it evasive, because that, to me, is how I see it used much more effectively due to the spacing that it gives off and etc.

If it's an opinion then why are you saying "IT'S AN EVASIVE MANUVER!" would it just more accurate to say "I (as in you) consider it to be strickly an evasive manuver because I have little comprehention of it's uses"?

AND the spacing it gives differs between characters, as I'm sure you, 'The Wave Dashing', already know.

I can do it, and effectivelly in battle, but I just prefer to play the game the way it was meant to be played. Same with all the people I play Melee with.

All it means is that you and the people you play Melee would most likly lose aginst people with Wave dashing skill that may even have lower general skill at the game. I don't care if you want to be sub-par at things.

 

[LavisFiend]

If it's an opinion then why are you saying "IT'S AN EVASIVE MANUVER!" would it just more accurate to say "I (as in you) consider it to be strickly an evasive manuver because I have little comprehention of it's uses"?

AND the spacing it gives differs between characters, as I'm sure you, 'The Wave Dashing', already know.

I am not "the" wave dashing.... XD Are you calling me a glitch *****? =O

and no, it wouldn't have, because you would have argued against that anyways because opinions get under your skin amirite?

I can't have opinions. I know, I am aware of that. My mistake for posting in the thread in the first place.

I have a REALLY sore tooth right now. **** it, bed. Later. We'll talk tomorrow.

 

[Symphony X]

I'm 15.

I don't use wavedashing, for two reasons.

1. I feel it's not really the way the game was supposed to be played. But whatever.

2. I know how to do it, but I never took the time to master it with everyone. I tend to never pick the same person twice in a row; so it would be hard to use it effectively with all of them. Plus I never play at tourneys so it's not that big of a deal to me, I just play with my two Smash friends for massive amounts of fun.

I do not use items ever. Mainly because I get tired of people complaining that the reason a person won was because of a lucky item drop.

 

[Kyu Puff]

I'm 14, I use wavedashing and pretty much all advanced techniques.

Ice Climbers are my main, and there isn't a desynch I can't do consistently (70%+ on hard ones). I play Samus for fun, but can SWD roughly 40% of the time, and can spam missiles pretty well (full jump double missile, double jump triple missile, shffmc, short hop missile waveland). SHFFLing and wavedashing are both habits by now.

Age isn't related to skill, although I still play worse under stress in a competitive enviroment.

 

[Jackal478]

I'm pretty killer for a 14-year-old Luigi Main.

...I wavedash often.

 

[Doggalina]

I'm 15 (sixteen in less than a week):
I play Falcon. I wavedash some (it's Falcon). It makes my Falcon sexy, so I can't resist. I SHFFL, though. Well, I don't always get the three parts in, but I can't play Falcon well without it. I waveland all the time though.