Would you guys be up for a NA power rankings list for console?

[clubbadubba]

Hats off to Clubba. Between this and the player location map (also another really important initiative IMO - srsly someone should sticky) the Smash 64 scene is getting better every day.

Thanks for the hat, dude. I needed a new one. I just do little things that are of interest to me but also make things a bit cooler. People like Chain-Ace/Nintendude that organize tournies are the real smash 64 heroes.

 

[<Fruity>]

How can you rank gerson that low. He beat isai pika several times. No offense but boom isnt close to that at all.

Pretty sure Boom beat Gerson in a 12 char battle

 

[¨°PÞ-§°¨ Bane]

How can you rank gerson that low. He beat isai pika several times. No offense but boom isnt close to that at all.

don't think boom has even pika ditto'd isai on hyrule... ever? if not never then not in a long ass time. i'm sure if he played as many pika dittos on hyrule as isai did vs gerson he would get some wins. isai's said before good pikas are his weakness

plus my list was more of an all-around good player list (all the chars, multiple stages), not a tournament threat list. tho imo i think it's probably about as accurate as a tournament threat list too

 

[clubbadubba]

@Fruity, really hope you meant "would beat". They haven't played.

 

[Nintendude]

Effort is not the main problem. It's location. You can't compare the north east to other parts of the country. The north east is very densely populated in a small geographic area. That's why you guys have it so good.

As long as you don't live in like North Dakota or something, location really isn't a huge deal for growing a local scene. Sure, it may be harder to attend out of region tourneys, but why not focus on your local scene first? There has to be a foundation or your scene won't get anywhere. This applies to all regions. I'm not really seeing any regions other than Atlantic North putting forth effort to streamline their online presence and host tournaments. This isn't directed at you in particular. It's directed at everyone.

 

[thegreginator]

San Francisco/Bay Area has done some stuff as well. They definitely have a good scene. It would be cool to see them make a WestCoastSSB Youtube channel and start streaming/recording tournaments. We can start up a good old fashioned East Coast vs. West Coast rivalry.

 

[Nintendude]

I feel like the fact that SF has a good scene yet I didn't know it existed besides ballin underscores a big problem with their online presence and visibility.

 

[Han Solo]

1. Isai
2. Boom
3. JaimeHR
4. Sensei
5. Kefit
6. Mariguas
7. firo
8. SheerMadness
9. YBOMBB
10. ballin4life
11. Battlecow
12. KeroKeroppi
13. Megavolt
14. b-rex
15. TANK

 

[Yobolight]

Han Solo's list looks accurate too me except for I don't know if it is fair to include Mariguas since he hasn't really played most people on the list on console.

 

[Nintendude]

ballin and megavolt are overrated imo
Maybe Kefit too but it's hard to say since he only plays at Apex.

 

[Yobolight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mU7XSyakKk Ballin > Tank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzFGYDwWb74 Ballin > Battlecow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlFNw3-XeP0 Ballin > thegreginator

Ballin4life appears to be accurately placed to me.

 

[<Fruity>]

@Fruity, really hope you meant "would beat". They haven't played.

yep, my english is bad sorry...

 

[clubbadubba]

Played ballin in cali recently. He's legit.

 

[Olikus]

don't think boom has even pika ditto'd isai on hyrule... ever? if not never then not in a long *** time. i'm sure if he played as many pika dittos on hyrule as isai did vs gerson he would get some wins. isai's said before good pikas are his weakness

plus my list was more of an all-around good player list (all the chars, multiple stages), not a tournament threat list. tho imo i think it's probably about as accurate as a tournament threat list too

best caracther beats second best with several chars in tourney. and superboom loses to all of isai chars on different occasions. im really suprised you think boom is better than gerson, but oh well. Everyone for theyr opinions.

 

[The Star King]

If we're talking about 12 char, depends on how good Gerson's other characters are, which we don't know about. Hurray for blind speculation!

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I like how people always assume that the top-top people are good with all characters. I mean they will have the fundamentals but they won't be world class most likely with some exceptions (i.e. Isai, Boom, and Jousuke judging by their 12 char crew battles/other vids)

 

[<Fruity>]

If we're talking about 12 char, depends on how good Gerson's other characters are, which we don't know about. Hurray for blind speculation!

I read somewhere that his only good chars are Mario and Pika.

 

[clubbadubba]

Yea Morino, I realized after I made that list that you and Marth could potentially be on the list, but honestly I never play you guys enough or see your tourney results enough to warrant ranking.

Parallax competed in a NJ tourney recently and got second behind only Sensei I believe.

 

[prisonchild]

I read somewhere that his only good chars are Mario and Pika.

I don't know if there are other videos of gerson's Mario... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe01wJ9TUCk

 

[Cobrevolution]

Yea Morino, I realized after I made that list that you and Marth could potentially be on the list, but honestly I never play you guys enough or see your tourney results enough to warrant ranking.

Parallax competed in a NJ tourney recently and got second behind only Sensei I believe.

no

parallax got first and smelly cat got second last year at chain ace's tournament, then this past october he got first again in front of megavolt. to my knowledge, he hasn't been to another tourney since.

 

[clubbadubba]

ah my mistake. I seem to be really bad at remembering tourney results, maybe i should start checking my facts

 

[Cobrevolution]

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/hyper-combo-finish-results-10-12-2012-red-bank-nj.328677/ - hyper combo finish 10/12/12

http://smashboards.com/threads/ssb6...umble-13-results-3-8-2013-red-bank-nj.334819/ - red bank rumble 3/8/13

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/...houtouts-thread-4-21-2013-brooklyn-ny.335853/ - broken hit box 4/21/13

there was also sweet 12 and that tournament in upstate, but i can't remember that one's name
but that's it for nj

 

[<Fruity>]

I don't know if there are other videos of gerson's Mario... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe01wJ9TUCk

I didn't find more videos of Gerson's Mario either... but I keep saying that Boom > Gerson IMO.

 

[The Star King]

I read somewhere that his only good chars are Mario and Pika.

And was it the typical assume-a-foreign-player's-only-characters-are-the-ones-they've-seen-videos-of? Or was it someone who would actually know? Considering how (not) often the Peruvians post, something tells me it's the former.

I don't know if there are other videos of gerson's Mario... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe01wJ9TUCk

Please don't link to Craidkish. He's a video thief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5PFIu1I9A#t=584s

 

[Doomolish]

North America, so Canada, USA, and Mexico.

Of Mariguas or Jaime, who is usually considered better?

I think Mariguas it's the best in all the country.

My top 5 in Mexico:

1. Mariguas
2. JaimeHR
3. Dext3r
4. Lengüitas
5. 007

 

[Doomolish]

I'm not so sure about this. There are lots of videos of those two playing, and Mariguas has some pretty convincing victories. He also has a playstyle where he forgoes guaranteed kills to try for more flashy combos, which sometimes hurt him in those matches. I think it's fair to say those two are pretty close.

Including Mexico in our list is tough since generally the people on these boards don't know much about the Smash scene south of the border. Who are the other good players in Mexico? There could be several people at Mariguas' level for all we know.

I would break up the Smash regions as follows. Ranking I'm using is "average skill level of top 20 players."
1. Japan
2. South America + Mexico
3. USA + Canada
4. Rest of world

2 and 3 could maybe be switched.

Pretty sure Peru is on top overall.

Also, Alvin, the Fox user from Tacna, it's said to be on top of his country nowadays.

 

[Villainy]

As long as you don't live in like North Dakota or something, location really isn't a huge deal for growing a local scene. Sure, it may be harder to attend out of region tourneys, but why not focus on your local scene first? There has to be a foundation or your scene won't get anywhere. This applies to all regions. I'm not really seeing any regions other than Atlantic North putting forth effort to streamline their online presence and host tournaments. This isn't directed at you in particular. It's directed at everyone.

I live in North Dakota

 

[SheerMadness]

I'm pretty sure Japan is on top.

But we'll never find out who's right. Peru and Japan will never end up playing each other.

 

[Combo Blaze]

I'm pretty sure Japan is on top.

But we'll never find out who's right. Peru and Japan will never end up playing each other.

Peru might get someone to the next Apex supposedly. Need to get Japan to come again and have things happen!

 

[<Fruity>]

And was it the typical assume-a-foreign-player's-only-characters-are-the-ones-they've-seen-videos-of? Or was it someone who would actually know? Considering how (not) often the Peruvians post, something tells me it's the former.

I'd swear that I read that in their ssb64 facebook group so apparently is someone that actually knows it.

 

[Olikus]

If we're talking about 12 char, depends on how good Gerson's other characters are, which we don't know about. Hurray for blind speculation!

Dont know about others. But I wasnt talking about 12 char. And since gerson hasnt played boom yet, you can call it blind speculation all you want. But we have seen allot of matches between boom and isai. And boom has never been close to do as good vs isai as gerson. Or let me put it this way. No one have. At least not recorded.

So the one with the best caracther:

gerson>boom. It isnt 100% certain, but about 85%

 

[B Link]

He's better at pika dittos, I dunno about other matchups

 

[¨°PÞ-§°¨ Bane]

Dont know about others. But I wasnt talking about 12 char. And since gerson hasnt played boom yet, you can call it blind speculation all you want. But we have seen allot of matches between boom and isai. And boom has never been close to do as good vs isai as gerson. Or let me put it this way. No one have. At least not recorded.

So the one with the best caracther:

gerson>boom. It isnt 100% certain, but about 85%

gerson couldn't beat isai's link. nuff said

 

[TANK64]

1. Isai
2. Boom
3. JaimeHR
4. Sensei
5. Kefit
6. Mariguas
7. firo
8. SheerMadness
9. YBOMBB
10. ballin4life
11. Battlecow
12. KeroKeroppi
13. Megavolt
14. b-rex
15. TANK

I'll take it xD

<3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mU7XSyakKk Ballin > Tank

>links two friendlies, where ballin' wins one. Alright BRO =P

No, but for real, Ballin' is good obv lol.

 

[SheerMadness]

Even if Peru vs Japan did happen it probably wouldn't be best vs best. Unless the unthinkable happens and Jousuke, Kikoushi, Red, Gerson, Tavo, and Alvin come to next Apex we'll never know.

Plus if the unthinkable did happen, what freaking stage would they play on lolol? Japan plays 99% on dreamland and Peru plays 100% on hyrule.

 

[Doomolish]

This is the Tacna's gruop, but almost no one speak english there: http://www.facebook.com/groups/428563913862574

 

[Battlecow]

Peru's better on hyrule, Japan's better on DL

I'd give 2:1 on that

In my book, that makes japan better

but that's ****ed up lol

MAKE 'EM PLAY ON CONGO

 

[Olikus]

gerson couldn't beat isai's link. nuff said

With mario and not pika, which is The caracther im talking about. And booms falcon lost matches to isais link too. Guess im The one to say nuff said.

 

[Sensei]

Everybody is beatable with enough practice and perseverance!

 

[KeroKeroppi]

1. Isai
2. Boom
3. JaimeHR
4. Sensei
5. Kefit
6. Mariguas
7. firo
8. SheerMadness
9. YBOMBB
10. ballin4life
11. Battlecow
12. KeroKeroppi
13. Megavolt
14. b-rex
15. TANK

This is an honor. <3

But..

Where's Nintendude?