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Would Sakurai disappoint us?

susu_atari

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I've been looking at some of those crazy Brawl character select screens people have been creating recently, and most of them are pretty crazy, but some of them are fairly sound... i suppose. But something has come to my attention.

A couple of characters are present on most of them, including the more realistic ones, and they are Samurai Goroh and Deoxys. As we all know, these particular characters were announced fairly early on to be nothing more than items, and I think I know why.

Sakurai doesn't want to disappoint us. If we're hoping a characters going to be in SSBB, and they're not, then he'll find a way to let us know. People wanted Tom Nook to be in it, but we've seen him chilling in the background of Smashville, so no dice there.

Now, with this in mind, do you think Sakurai would give us tantalising pictures of Palutena and music for Ridley if they weren't going to be playable characters?
 

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Of course he would. Give us a picture of Palutina and music for Ridley if they weren't going to be in, i mean. Nobody is in unless he says he's in in an update is the view i like to take. I'm really opposed to Palutina being in, but i still don't think that a picture of her from behind is a hint. Same goes for Ridley's music, except i'm not opposed to him.

And of course people will be disappointed. They'll be disappointed if a character they want in doesn't get in, but i don't think he's going to make a disappointing game. People who are upset because someone they wanted isn't in will quickly get over it because i trust that the Brawl team will make an awesome game.
 

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Palutena won't be playable so I wouldn't worry about it.

Ridley and Palutena are part of Samus' and Pit's storyline respectively.

All characters will have a backstory.
 

susu_atari

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Palutena won't be playable so I wouldn't worry about it.

Ridley and Palutena are part of Samus' and Pit's storyline respectively.

All characters will have a backstory.
You seem pretty sure of yourself, almost as if that's not an opinion, but a fact. But ask yourself this:
"Why would Bowser be playable if Ridley isn't? Does Metroid not deserve more representation?". Also, try not to answer that, it was rhetorical. We've all heard the reasons for and against characters a million times, and that's not why I created this thread.

Also, it's not the end of the topic when two opposing views have been voiced, that's not how discussions work.
At all.
 

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You seem pretty sure of yourself, almost as if that's not an opinion, but a fact. But ask yourself this:
"Why would Bowser be playable if Ridley isn't? Does Metroid not deserve more representation?". Also, try not to answer that, it was rhetorical. We've all heard the reasons for and against characters a million times, and that's not why I created this thread.

Also, it's not the end of the topic when two opposing views have been voiced, that's not how discussions work.
At all.
So true, people are all trying to convince eachother to drop all their support and just wave the ridly/meta knight/whoever else flag...

Argueing, will not, put, more, people, in, the, game

But a good debate is fine, but the ones now are just in an annoying and repeating cycle.
 

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I see your point with Goroh and Deoxys, and it certainly deserves to be considered.

Buuuuuuuut, Sakurai's still going to try to hype up the game in whatever way he can. And he's doing a good job, eh? The Ridley music is the only true hint that's been given in favor of Ridley being a playable character; everything else is fan-made logic. But those fans are still pretty confident in Ridley's appearance. In reality, the Ridley music could be nothing more than background music for a Metroid stage. If that's the case, it would be smart of Sakurai and the gang to post it up and see if anyone takes the bait of "Maybe Ridley's a PC!", and people have.

(NOTE: I'm not saying Ridley's not in, just pointing out the lack of real information that implies he's in)

So yeah, it was good of Sakurai to let use know about Goroh's and Deoxys' fates early, but he could still be misleading us. In fact, it's almost his job to do so.
 

PitIcarus

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You seem pretty sure of yourself, almost as if that's not an opinion, but a fact. But ask yourself this:
"Why would Bowser be playable if Ridley isn't? Does Metroid not deserve more representation?". Also, try not to answer that, it was rhetorical. We've all heard the reasons for and against characters a million times, and that's not why I created this thread.

Also, it's not the end of the topic when two opposing views have been voiced, that's not how discussions work.
At all.
Um, I was talking about Palutena. And yes it is FACT she won't be playable. Unfortunately you won't find that out until the game is released.
 

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Um, I was talking about Palutena. And yes it is FACT she won't be playable. Unfortunately you won't find that out until the game is released.
Man, what is it with people trying to be prophetic here? Just because you label something as a FACT does not make it so. Sakurai hasn't said that Palutena will or won't be playable, so just because you say it's a FACT does not make it true.

Please, stop spreading misinformation. Palutena could be playable, and Peach could end up not being playable. Would I bet on it? Not a chance. But we don't know for sure until we're told one way or another, and to say otherwise is incorrect.
 

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I think the fact that they made her transparent in that screenshot, as she is suppose to be due to her being a Diety, pretty much confirms that she will not be playable. As balanced as it would be to play a God.
 

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Nothing is confirmed or de-confirmed until there is an update about it.

I really don't want her to be in the game, and i personally doubt she will, but just because she's transparent doesn't mean you can de-confirm her. By all means, do that if the game came out and she was not a playable, but until then, there's no proof she is, and there's no proof she's not.
 

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I can deconfirm her. She won't be playable. People can play the "but it's not impossible" game. But she won't be. Feel free to get back to me after the game is released so we can talk about how she wasn't playable.

A non tangible God who does not fight, doesn't exactly make for a good fighter. Unless of course Sakurai plans to rip off some Mortal Kombat storyline.
 

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Get over yourself, VagrantWade. Seriously. You don't know anymore then the rest of us.

I don't see Palutena being a character either from what you pointed out, but that doesn't confirm she won't be a character.

Anyways I'm not really worried, he managed to come up with two of the best games ever made. (IMO.) No other games provide the replayability and fun that the SSB series does. I just hope he adds characters like Isaac and Captain Olimar, not characters like Waluigi.
 

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Get over yourself, VagrantWade. Seriously. You don't know anymore then the rest of us.
Clearly I know more than anyone who thinks she will be playable.

I understand people like to discuss characters. But do you have any idea how many video game characters there are? Should I just get the list off wikipedia and make a thread for every single one?
 

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Clearly I know more than anyone who thinks she will be playable.

I understand people like to discuss characters. But do you have any idea how many video game characters there are? Should I just get the list off wikipedia and make a thread for every single one?
Listen to me, she hasn't been factually confirmed or deconfirmed! So you can't state anything as a fact until it is confirmed as one.

The only thing that's clear is that you need to get over yourself.
 

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I think the fact that they made her transparent in that screenshot, as she is suppose to be due to her being a Diety, pretty much confirms that she will not be playable. As balanced as it would be to play a God.
Ah, reminds me of the days before melee.

"We can't play as Mewtwo! He's the most powerful pokemon in the world! He'd be unbeatable."

Besides, go over to Mortal Kombat and yell at Raiden. =p
 

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Ah, reminds me of the days before melee.

"We can't play as Mewtwo! He's the most powerful pokemon in the world! He'd be unbeatable."

Besides, go over to Mortal Kombat and yell at Raiden. =p
Why did you just pull RAYDEN out of your hat after I already made a reference to Mortal Kombat?

And what does Mewtwo have to do with anything? He's a clone of a legendary pokemon. Not quite the same thing as a Goddess of Light who literally does not fight. As in, written into her character, she is 100% pacifist, which is why she has Pit do her bidding.

The only difference between me and the rest of the majority who thinks it's silly to think she wil l be in, is that I'm not afraid to say she won't be. Others don't like to come to those conclusions because they are worried there is a small chance they might be put in and they will look dumb for being wrong. Well I am 100% positive she is just going to be mentioned/barely shown for Pit's backstory for the Adventure mode.
 

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Why did you just pull RAYDEN out of your hat after I already made a reference to Mortal Kombat?

And what does Mewtwo have to do with anything? He's a clone of a legendary pokemon. Not quite the same thing as a Goddess of Light who literally does not fight. As in, written into her character, she is 100% pacifist, which is why she has Pit do her bidding.

The only difference between me and the rest of the majority who thinks it's silly to think she wil l be in, is that I'm not afraid to say she won't be. Others don't like to come to those conclusions because they are worried there is a small chance they might be put in and they will look dumb for being wrong. Well I am 100% positive she is just going to be mentioned/barely shown for Pit's backstory for the Adventure mode.
Factuality is a technicality. You may know she won't be in, and you're probably right. In fact I'd bet money that she won't be playable. But that doesn't make it a fact.
 

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When I myself say it is a "FACT." I am not speaking literally.

Kind of like how I said I am confirming she won't be in it. Yes clearly I am in no position to confirm or deny any characters either.
You need to specify that later, because it definitely looks like you were stating it as a fact.

Um, I was talking about Palutena. And yes it is FACT she won't be playable. Unfortunately you won't find that out until the game is released.
 

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Neither is Peach.. does that mean she won't be in the game?
I'll give you the chance to reread what I said. Since what you just asked me made no sense whatsoever.

basically, you just covered yourself up with "i didn't mean that"
No, I meant it. The word "fact" like many words in the english language. You referring to the word fact with the definition;

"Fact - An indisputable truth."

Whereas I was referring to it being a fact using the definition;

"A fact is a proposition that has been asserted to be either True or False . The term "fact" usually refers to a "ground proposition", ie, a proposition that can be represented as a predicate applied to a sequence of instances or literals."
 

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Ok topic closed. This is clearly just a flame war between the people and VagrantWade.

The discussion is over.
 

PitIcarus

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They are still bitter from yesterday it is ok :)

The thing is, I can give you FACTS as to why she won't be in Brawl. But obviously doesn't make it a FACT that she won't be. Because really Sakurai could just completely change the character (which would be required) to make her a playable character.
 

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I'll give you the chance to reread what I said. Since what you just asked me made no sense whatsoever.
What you said is that since she wasn't mentioned on Smash Bros.com helps deconfirm that she will be playable. That what I took from it anyways.

Peach was shown in the same update, but not mentioned.
 

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That's not what I said.

I said there is no mention of her on smashbros.com, so she obviously can't be "confirmed" either way.
Okay then.

We can stop stating either way as a fact, then.
 

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If Palutena was playable I guess they would have to make a rule stating that Pit couldn't fight against her.

you know, seeing as how she is the one who powers his wings/bow
 

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There are already people doubting that their character that they're rooting for isn't going to be announced. But we still haven't played the game yet, I remember the time when I kept looking at san andreas news over and over again to see what's new with the game, and I got so excited because there were so many new stuff. And when I got the game, I was overjoyed of the fact that there were so many things they left behind from the news. That goes to show that Smash brothers is a game where anything can happen, and there are so much possibilities to what or who can appear in it. For now, don't doubt, just wait.
 

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Very few instances of characters representing franchises on their own. Examples: Capt. Falcon from Fzero and Snake from Metal Gear (presumably), which are franchises that aren't exactly packed with iconic characters. I could see an adventure/platform game like Kid Icarus getting the Zelda or Fire Enblem treatment just because it could.
 
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