Worst or Less-Good character?

[Dylan_Tnga]

level one cpu falcon = god tier

 

[MattNF]

level one cpu falcon = god tier

I remember watching Korobeniki lose to a level 9 fox before

 

[NixxxoN]

I'm gonna say luigi is the worst because
1: his fireballs are trash, plain and simple. easily the worst range move in the game
2: dash attack easily the worst in the game
3: slow both on ground and in the air
4: his big KO move, the ping, is predictable and leaves him extremely vulnerable. Even using the dair into Z-cancel Up-B can be shielded.

I've seen every other character played competitively but have never seen a good luigi. He's really just a nerf'd mario with a novelty Up-B

I dont think Luigi is the worst. The ping can be used into a combo and its one of the most powerful in the game. And he has one of the best recoveries.
Search for Takamitsu or RedMario if you wanna see good luigis.

 

[Daedatheus]

4: his big KO move, the ping, is predictable and leaves him extremely vulnerable. Even using the dair into Z-cancel Up-B can be shielded.

And that's why, just like Jiggly's rest, using these moves while your opponent is stunned in midair is much better, because you can DI the drill but if you're stunned in the air you can't move

 

[UnF-air]

And that's why, just like Jiggly's rest, using these moves while your opponent is stunned in midair is much better, because you can DI the drill but if you're stunned in the air you can't move

The thing about that is for the full effect of the ping to happen you have to be pretty much right on top of the other player. Most of the time if the other player is knocked into the air they'll recover fast enough to use their Nair or other aerial and that will either out prioritize (EX: ness Dair) or soften luigi's Up-B into a 1 coin hit with little knock back. Also, with no spike and a throw that sends the opponent horizontally rather than vertically (like jiggly's) its fairly difficult to set up the right scenario for the aerial ping.

 

[NixxxoN]

The thing about that is for the full effect of the ping to happen you have to be pretty much right on top of the other player. Most of the time if the other player is knocked into the air they'll recover fast enough to use their Nair or other aerial and that will either out prioritize (EX: ness Dair) or soften luigi's Up-B into a 1 coin hit with little knock back. Also, with no spike and a throw that sends the opponent horizontally rather than vertically (like jiggly's) its fairly difficult to set up the right scenario for the aerial ping.

Its not so difficult... You have to practice the uair to up+b combo. Its not any difficult if your opponent is a heavy char.

 

[Winston]

Samus and Luigi can hold their own against DK and Jiggs, whereas I don't think Link has any matchups that aren't unfavorable (maybe he's even vs samus, luigi, and/or jiggs). He just has bad matchups across the board.

... I know Link seems much better than either of the other two because of his ability to control space with his projectiles and because all the good players like playing Link, but unless someone informs me otherwise then this makes Link the worst character.

 

[Skrlx]

if samus and falcon were even level...falcon would win.

Yeah, that's what i kinda meant.

because falcon has an advantage for being top tier.


but if the player that controls samus is pro but the player controlling falcon is low average the win goes to samus

 

[Zen Yore]

but if the player that controls samus is pro but the player controlling falcon is low average the win goes to samus

yup and if I play boom on Falcon ditto boom would win lmao

 

[Lawrencelot]

I'd say DK is the worst char. His grabs are the only thing that make him good, but they can be avoided if you stay in the air and mindgame enough. While other chars, like Yoshi and Samus, also have only 1 or 2 good things, they are harder to avoid.

On Dreamland it's easier to say who's the worst <cough Link cough>

 

[Wenbobular]

The thing about that is for the full effect of the ping to happen you have to be pretty much right on top of the other player. Most of the time if the other player is knocked into the air they'll recover fast enough to use their Nair or other aerial and that will either out prioritize (EX: ness Dair) or soften luigi's Up-B into a 1 coin hit with little knock back. Also, with no spike and a throw that sends the opponent horizontally rather than vertically (like jiggly's) its fairly difficult to set up the right scenario for the aerial ping.

This isn't SSBM. Luigi's hitbox for the ping is about 10 times bigger in this game, not to mention hitstun on aerials lasts a long time. Coupled with Zcancels, Uair --> ping is very easy to do.

No spike? What does that have to do with pings? You weren't expecting something like Dair to ping like Samus has Dair --> Bair were you? Same thing for throws, the only 3 characters with throws that combo without walls are Jiggs, Falcon, and DK (maybe Pika under some circumstances), it's not like not having a comboing throw is out of the ordinary or some kind of disadvantage.

 

[UnF-air]

In my opinion the contenders for worst character are DK and Luigi. DK has a SICK throw and two, that’s two, spikes. It takes a talented player to play DK but he has potential. Luigi on the other hand has nothing exceptional but the ping, which is unreliable. Even the aerial ping after Utilt/Uair just doesn’t seem consistent cause if their % is high enough for a ping to clear them then the Utilt/Uair will hit them high enough to recover and do an aerial or DI away from danger(unless their real heavy like Link or DK). Poor edge play, poor combos, poor range attack, terrible dash attack/approach and a mediocre throw make Luigi easily the worst.

 

[Winston]

In my opinion the contenders for worst character are DK and Luigi. DK has a SICK throw and two, that’s two, spikes. It takes a talented player to play DK but he has potential. Luigi on the other hand has nothing exceptional but the ping, which is unreliable. Even the aerial ping after Utilt/Uair just doesn’t seem consistent cause if their % is high enough for a ping to clear them then the Utilt/Uair will hit them high enough to recover and do an aerial or DI away from danger(unless their real heavy like Link or DK). Poor edge play, poor combos, poor range attack, terrible dash attack/approach and a mediocre throw make Luigi easily the worst.

Poor combos? lol
Poor edge play? wtf does that even mean, Luigi's recovery is fine, and his edgeguarding is fine.
mediocre throw? what more do you want?

Poor approach? that's true.

Doesn't make Luigi worse than Link because Luigi actually has some decent matchups.

 

[Wenbobular]

UnF-air, I've concluded that you've never tried Luigi in your life. There is a huge window of percentages where your Uair --> Up-b will combo and kill on almost all characters.

 

[UnF-air]

Looks like I offended the luigi community, sorry boys. Not saying luigi can't be played well, just saying compared to the other characters his moves are sub-par. Also, I often play as UPS Mario and can't think of a match-up where I'd want luigi over mario. The fireballs are fast and heavy and can cancel out Fox and Ness's Up-B which is unreal for edge guarding against two popular high tier characters. The slide tackle is easily one of the best dash attacks. Also, Mario's Down-B is amazing for getting back to the stage and it can even spike if performed right; I wish luigi's worked similarly. Also mario doesn't slide around as easy so shield-grabbing is more applicable. Maybe thats why I'm biased against luigi, everytime I play as him he just seems inadequate.

 

[Skrlx]

looks Like I Offended The Luigi Community, Sorry Boys. Not Saying Luigi Can't Be Played Well, Just Saying Compared To The Other Characters His Moves Are Sub-par. Also, I Often Play As Ups Mario And Can't Think Of A Match-up Where I'd Want Luigi Over Mario. The Fireballs Are Fast And Heavy And Can Cancel Out Fox And Ness's Up-b Which Is Unreal For Edge Guarding Against Two Popular High Tier Characters. The Slide Tackle Is Easily One Of The Best Dash Attacks. Also, Mario's Down-b Is Amazing For Getting Back To The Stage And It Can Even Spike If Performed Right; I Wish Luigi's Worked Similarly. Also Mario Doesn't Slide Around As Easy So Shield-grabbing Is More Applicable. Maybe Thats Why I'm Biased Against Luigi, Everytime I Play As Him He Just Seems Inadequate.

Wahh! Why Doesnt Noone Pay Attention To Weegee ;__;

 

[Daedatheus]

Also, I often play as UPS Mario and can't think of a match-up where I'd want luigi over mario.

I'd have to agree. The down+B spike and the descending fireballs, plus shorter short-hop...

If I was a god of the uair combo with the two plumbers, I'd dig Luigi more... but his advantages are far outweighed by Mario's

 

[MattNF]

I often play as UPS Mario and can't think of a match-up where I'd want luigi over mario.

Against Jigglypuff, Luigi does better than Mario

 

[Winston]

Wahh! Why Doesnt Noone Pay Attention To Weegee ;__;

Luigi, why is your up b so much better than mario's?

And @ unfair, nobody's denying that Luigi is bad, or that he's almost strictly worse than mario. That doesn't mean he's automatically worse than samus and link.

 

[Wenbobular]

Unf-air, I'm a Fox main. That doesn't mean I don't have experience with other characters. You're blatantly wrong on some parts, mostly about comboing into Up-b actually being difficult assuming you can land hits.

I personally prefer Luigi because drill -> Uair is still too hard for me with Mario and it's much easier to kill with Luigi (for me anyways). Up-b and down-b are excellent vertical killers.

@ Dair: lol

 

[Zen Yore]

If only Luigi was exactly like mario, but they keep his up and down b >_>

 

[Winston]

If only Luigi was exactly like mario, but they keep his up and down b >_>

Lol whenever I play mario I down b a lot to attempt to start combos >_>

you know cause I suck at smash bros and stuff

 

[asianaussie]

I wish people would stop saying Samus can't combo. Just because a bunch of GameFAQs guides say she can't, does NOT mean she can't. Lemme give a couple easy examples.

U-Air into D-Air.
SH D-Air into B-Air.
Down-B can be used as a combo if you practise enough.
F-Throw into SH Charged B.

IMO, Luigi has the least going for him. I hate using Ness, suck with Yoshi, and find nothing special or fun about Mario. Pikachu, DK and Captain Falcon are the most fun to play, if you ask me.

 

[Fireblaster]

I wish people would stop saying Samus can't combo. Just because a bunch of GameFAQs guides say she can't, does NOT mean she can't. Lemme give a couple easy examples.

U-Air into D-Air.
SH D-Air into B-Air.
Down-B can be used as a combo if you practise enough.
F-Throw into SH Charged B.

IMO, Luigi has the least going for him. I hate using Ness, suck with Yoshi, and find nothing special or fun about Mario. Pikachu, DK and Captain Falcon are the most fun to play, if you ask me.

Wow guess what? None of those combo. Please check your facts before posting again.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Wow guess what? None of those combo. Please check your facts before posting again.

Dair to bair doesnt combo? D:

but yah, lulz at the things he just called combos.

 

[NixxxoN]

You can make a combo with fire and nair or dair.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Uair to Dair works...kinda...on non short chars anyways

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I wish people would stop saying Samus can't combo. Just because a bunch of GameFAQs guides say she can't, does NOT mean she can't. Lemme give a couple easy examples.

U-Air into D-Air.
SH D-Air into B-Air.
Down-B can be used as a combo if you practise enough.
F-Throw into SH Charged B.

bah 2 hits are hardly a combo, and you can di Samus' up air easily.

Thats the point, the only really good efficient kill setups she has are through her dair and its hard to dropzone a fast mindgamey opponent who doesnt stay still.

 

[Winston]

LOL gamefaqs guides, too good

yeah we get all our knowledge from gamefaqs guides instead of from playing this game...

and how come nobody ever, ever comments on Link? I would have expected SOMEONE to argue with my assertion that Link is the worst because all his matchups suck...

 

[NixxxoN]

bah 2 hits are hardly a combo, and you can di Samus' up air easily.

Thats the point, the only really good efficient kill setups she has are through her dair and its hard to dropzone a fast mindgamey opponent who doesnt stay still.

A combo is more than 1 hit. Samus has several 2-hit combos. And you can start them with fair, bair, dair and uair.

 

[Marios My Bro]

Ness is very op is you know how to use him and that applies to all characters. I really dont like yoshi do to him not having any up b move but ive seen some of my friends who are good with him. Jiggly is awesome if you do a nice combo of putting them to sleep then using down b which causes lots of damage.

 

[UnF-air]

The thing about link is he can be fricken sweet on hyrule or corneria cause you can control the middle and use his rangs/bombs to fend people off and then KO them with Fsmashs, dairs, whatever floats ur boat. However, on smaller stages he is much less effective cause his recovery flat out sucks and he's fairly easy to combo when theres no where to run. I'd take luigi, samus, or even DK on say dreamland or castle just cause they can get back from a far throw unlike link.

 

[Marios My Bro]

Yes that was my huge dislike of link. Everytime im thrown of the cliff I never have a good chance to live. Every character can combo you just have to be creative and make your own

 

[Biinii]

Lol, Link, of course.
Throw him out of stage and win. He falls like a stone, has short jumps, third jump is crappy for both vertical and horizontal move. This is game-breaking... you can play godlike with Link, but once your off the stage(supposing your against an opponent with brain enough to keep you there) it's byebye for your godlike.

 

[SmashBrother2008]

What ever happened to the days were poeple picked characters becuase they liked them?

 

[Superstar]

They're still here. Judging characters has happened since the dawn of gaming.

In other words, if those days are "gone", they were always gone. If those days happened, they're still here.

 

[Marios My Bro]

lol thats what i do. I choose mario because hes my favorite charater

 

[NixxxoN]

in the competitive scene usually people don't choose their favorite characters, choose top tiers or the ones they think are the best

 

[P D]

polygon link.

polygon links moves come out like normal link in the jappenese version and he has bigger hitboxes so you can just combo everyone lool

 

[Zen Yore]

if poly link is a char, then MH is prolly one.

MH ftw

But MH CH is fkin amazing.

Yeah, I wanted to play him badly, so I didn't edgeguard because I was scared of being kicked.