Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
If a Sheik actually paused to hit a techchase and then tried to lie about it, just get other people to watch your match and they won't try that again. I guess you could solve the counting problem the same way, but it's much easier to miscount something than to blatantly lie like that, which is dishonest and might get you dq'd.
I think Wobbles was pointing out that you need a rule to say something like "if you do more than 5 tilts, the other player can pause, and if you don't stop and sd you lose the match."
Also, can you respond to this?:
The anti-wobbling arguments are very weak, but obviously there is still a lot of resistance to it. Limiting the amount of wobbling should ease the resistance; making the other player sacrifice their cp stages is hardly a compromise between legalization and ban. The 100% rule favors the IC player more, although the number is sort of arbitrary, and the 5 tilt rule favors the non-IC more, but which rule to use could be up to the discretion of the t.o. I guess.
I think Wobbles was pointing out that you need a rule to say something like "if you do more than 5 tilts, the other player can pause, and if you don't stop and sd you lose the match."
Also, can you respond to this?:
I know it's optional and everything, but I just don't see how this compromise satisfies either player. I think limiting wobbling to either 5 tilts or to 100% alone would be a better compromise. The only (barely) cogent anti-wobbling argument imo is that the other player has no control over their character. The "boringness" of a match is completely irrelevant, and the ruleset should not take it into account.From the standpoint of a non-IC, why would I want to give up my ability to counterpick a stage like Rainbow Cruise or Brinstar? Those stages not only decrease the chance of being wobbled, but also of being grabbed at all. This compromise basically gives me the choice between poop and ****.
From the standpoint of an IC player, isn't this just a concession that wobbling is 'gay'? It compares wobbling being legal to camping really hard on unfair counterpick stages. On top of that, what's to stop the player from camping really hard on neutrals? This compromise first tries to define 'cheap' and then fails to ban it on either end.
The anti-wobbling arguments are very weak, but obviously there is still a lot of resistance to it. Limiting the amount of wobbling should ease the resistance; making the other player sacrifice their cp stages is hardly a compromise between legalization and ban. The 100% rule favors the IC player more, although the number is sort of arbitrary, and the 5 tilt rule favors the non-IC more, but which rule to use could be up to the discretion of the t.o. I guess.