Why we won't have DLC

[HammerHappy]

I think you should reread my post. You're basically agreeing with everything I said.

My bad. Confused you for saying "I would totally buy x" as "I encourage Nintendo to sell x".

Yeah, we all would buy character packs. I already outlined why if Nintendo sold characters it would be ridiculous and you outlined why they most definitely won't.

 

[Superyoshiom]

My bad. Confused you for saying "I would totally buy x" as "I encourage Nintendo to sell x".

Yeah, we all would buy character packs. I already outlined why if Nintendo sold characters it would be ridiculous and you outlined why they most definitely won't.

As much as I would detest having to pay for characters, I'd probably fork over the money eventually.

 

[dezeray112]

The inclusions of DLC content (characters, stages, music etc) will depend on whether fans want more.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having further additional content, depending if the process is done correctly.

 

[toonist22]

Maybe DLC platform exclusives, like Chrom for 3ds, and Little Mac for WiiU (just examples)

 

[DaDavid]

Maybe DLC platform exclusives, like Chrom for 3ds, and Little Mac for WiiU (just examples)

That would be one of my worst case scenarios. I'm already going to "have to" but both versions to experience all the stages/collectibles, I definitely don't want to have to buy separate characters for each going forward.

 

[TimeSmash]

As far as things like character skins though, or if they ACTUALLY brought back individual target stages or board the platforms, hell yes I would pay. New songs not so much. When it comes to DLC stages or characters I would download them but be a little pissed at the same time, because that to me seems like part of the main game which should be finished at that point. Event Matches are perfect for DLC, because they are something that are just fun but don't detract from the main game. Actually the skins, target stages and platform stages are like that too. I could even see extra items as DLC, but I'd be more apprehensive about that

 

[toonist22]

The only reason I really see the need for DLC if the help perfect the game in anyway.

 

[TimeSmash]

I feel like DLC is like icing on the cake. You have the main game, and DLC should be things that compliment the main game, not change how it plays, which new characters and stages would do. Little things like I mentioned in my previous post would have no effect on gameplay really (besides when I mentioned characters and stages), but little things here and there would be fine. Like a different menu layout won't change how the game plays. All of a sudden adding some pretty neutral stage or new character would

 

[DaDavid]

I just don't agree with the idea that all DLC, even characters and stages, is something that could/should've just been added in from the beginning. The only DLC I've ever bought is kind of coincidentally the one that Sakurai has specifically spoken positively about: Fall Out 3.

The DLC released for that game added a lot of time to the game, beyond what was already a worthy purchase. It also wasn't released near enough the game's release to have simply been in after a delay of release, at least not a reasonable one. I just don't see the problem with DLC characters and stages coming our way if development starts after the initial launch. If it took them work beyond the main game that we already paid for to make, then why wouldn't they get money for that work?

That said it's not like I'm expecting that type of DLC for it, I just think it's worth pointing out that Sakurai specifically said he liked the way Fall Out 3 handled it.

 

[Fuqua]

I may be wrong on this one, but I feel like it wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to offer characters or stages in the form of DLC. The best case scenario is new costumes.

- It would make the game imbalanced for people who didn't have the DLC characters/stages
- It would create effort for Nintendo to develop new characters/stages when they could just make a new game.
- New characters/stages are basically the selling point of the smash bros series, it wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to give them to us in DLC.


Just my opinion. New costumes would be cool though. Maybe new stages. I just don't see new characters happening.

On a side note, balancing patches would be really nice

No offense but those really aren't good arguments against character/stage DLC at all. All arguments can barely be called arguments because you don’t properly explain why those facts would lead towards nintendo deciding not to sell character/stage DLC for smash.

Personally i am convinced, that DLC would be guaranteed success for nintendo. It just fits way too well into smash they would be stupid not to do it. Not saying that i necessarily want it to happen, but from a business standpoint, DLC seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[rawrimamonster]

I see addon content happening but not DLC, the difference is addon content from Nintendo is usually free. Also if the casuals complain enough there's bound to be rebalance patches.

 

[Mysteltainn]

No offense but those really aren't good arguments against character/stage DLC at all. All arguments can barely be called arguments because you don’t properly explain why those facts would lead towards nintendo deciding not to sell character/stage DLC for smash.

Personally i am convinced, that DLC would be guaranteed success for nintendo. It just fits way too well into smash they would be stupid not to do it. Not saying that i necessarily want it to happen, but from a business standpoint, DLC seems like a no brainer to me.

Many people would disagree with me, and many Pikmin 3 fans did in fact, but I actually really like how they're doing the DLC for Pikmin 3. It's very well done, and it doesn't intrude on the main game. It's just there for those who want more, and longed for challenges. If they do similar things for Smash I think it would keep the game interesting for perhaps casual players who want more challenges to work for.

 

[Deap]

Define "most"

In my view, most people will be playing it for a long time. Maybe that's just the people I surround myself with. Probably most people here will play it for a while

I am talking about common people, not smashers. Smashers will represent just a very small amount of the sales of the game.

 

[TheTuninator]

Smash is one of Nintendo's biggest moneymakers, recent forays into DLC for Nintendo products have proven successful, and WiiU games need to make as much money as possible for Nintendo. Smash 4 will have DLC.

I embrace the idea of DLC for Smash 4. Sakurai has the correct attitude toward DLC; namely, that DLC supplements a fully finished product. DLC offers an opportunity for the Smash team to include characters and stages that would be great additions to Smash but could not quite make the finalized roster.

 

[Reznor]

I am talking about common people, not smashers. Smashers will represent just a very small amount of the sales of the game.

but they keep interest in the game alive

 

[dezeray112]

I am aware that Sakurai stated that they have no plans for DLC as of yet, but they could use future additional character DLC based on:

1. Characters that have been excluded from SSB4 and are required further development time.

2. Characters within future release titles (for example the protagonist from X etc.)

Like I've already stated a few posts above, the entire concept of DLC will depend on fan demand.

 

[TimeSmash]

Smash is one of Nintendo's biggest moneymakers, recent forays into DLC for Nintendo products have proven successful, and WiiU games need to make as much money as possible for Nintendo. Smash 4 will have DLC.

I embrace the idea of DLC for Smash 4. Sakurai has the correct attitude toward DLC; namely, that DLC supplements a fully finished product. DLC offers an opportunity for the Smash team to include characters and stages that would be great additions to Smash but could not quite make the finalized roster.

This is really more of what I'm thinking although I'm still hesitant on new characters.

 

[dezeray112]

This is a good video to watch based on this.

 

[DaDavid]

This is a good video to watch based on this.

Pretty much echoes the opinions held here except for the fact that some people don't want it to be a choice. They see any DLC as content that they should be entitled to which of course isn't true, whether it's a character or a stage or not.
Either way, whatever Nintendo does for DLC I expect it to be cheap enough that people won't complain when it's announced.

 

[dezeray112]

Pretty much echoes the opinions held here except for the fact that some people don't want it to be a choice. They see any DLC as content that they should be entitled to which of course isn't true, whether it's a character or a stage or not.
Either way, whatever Nintendo does for DLC I expect it to be cheap enough that people won't complain when it's announced.

This I can agree with.

 

[HammerHappy]

Pretty much echoes the opinions held here except for the fact that some people don't want it to be a choice. They see any DLC as content that they should be entitled to which of course isn't true, whether it's a character or a stage or not.
Either way, whatever Nintendo does for DLC I expect it to be cheap enough that people won't complain when it's announced.

Since when is expecting a product you've bought to be the entire product false entitlement?

When I buy Super Smash Bros, I expect Super Smash Bros. Not 95% of Super Smash Bros with the rest unlockable in 3/5/10$ increments.

All they'd be doing is hiding an expensive game behind the typical market price so they don't scare away potential buyers, then trap you into buying the rest of the game when you've already made that $60 investment.

That's scummy. Especially if we're talking core content like characters and stages.

Nintendo won't do it. I trust that if they do end up selling DLC, it's going to be aesthetic changes only. And I trust it won't be gaudy as ****.

 

[DaDavid]

Since when is expecting a product you've bought to be the entire product false entitlement?

When I buy Super Smash Bros, I expect Super Smash Bros. Not 95% of Super Smash Bros with the rest unlockable in 3/5/10$ increments.

All they'd be doing is hiding an expensive game behind the typical market price so they don't scare away potential buyers, then trap you into buying the rest of the game when you've already made that $60 investment.

That's scummy. Especially if we're talking core content like characters and stages.

Nintendo won't do it. I trust that if they do end up selling DLC, it's going to be aesthetic changes only. And I trust it won't be gaudy as ****.

Kay, you're obviously very strong in holding this opinion, I'm just saying I don't see how it applies if content is worked on and added beyond the launch of the game. Like I've brought up before, the Fall Out 3 DLC was substantial content that definitely wasn't an after-thought for the team and required them work beyond the product that I paid for.

Honestly your black and white view of DLC is no less ridiculous (to me) than if one were to say that sequels are something we're entitled to for free if we have the game that came before.

I just don't see what's hard to understand about saying that if content was barely a concept at the launch of a game, and then the team fleshes out that content beyond launch, we should have to pay for that extra work.

 

[HammerHappy]

Kay, you're obviously very strong in holding this opinion, I'm just saying I don't see how it applies if content is worked on and added beyond the launch of the game. Like I've brought up before, the Fall Out 3 DLC was substantial content that definitely wasn't an after-thought for the team and required them work beyond the product that I paid for.

Honestly your black and white view of DLC is no less ridiculous (to me) than if one were to say that sequels are something we're entitled to for free if we have the game that came before.

I just don't see what's hard to understand about saying that if content was barely a concept at the launch of a game, and then the team fleshes out that content beyond launch, we should have to pay for that extra work.

That's just my point though.

If I wanted a sequel to a game, I would go out an buy the sequel to the game because that is what they're selling to me.

What I don't want is to buy a game, then keep on spending money for the rest of it.

I realize that DLC has a value, and a high one at that depending on what it is.
My issue is buying a $60 dollar game that turns out to really be $80 dollars for the whole experience over time.

Nintendo can barely sell the WiiU. Making a game that sells the WiiU for them (imagine all the Smash fans buying one just for this game) EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE just seems like bad business. We already have people who will pass on this game if it's Brawl 2.

Also, single player sandbox games are in a completely different ballpark than multiplayer PVP fighters.
There is a massive wealth of user specific content for sandbox games, we call them mods. And having them effects no one but yourself.
This isn't the same for a game like Smash Bros. Issues such as selling power and disadvantage born from character and stage familiarity are potential problems. Pay for DLCs generally doesn't alter the balance between players who bought it and players that did. When it does that's seen as something bad.

I have a black and white view because it IS black and white for multiplayer games : Either pay for DLC effects the core game play - or it doesn't.
Selling Aesthetic DLC = A O.K (Though I wish they wouldn't due to personal preference)
Selling Characters = Not O.K

Also, when does this substantial content stop? When do they say - alright, time to work on a true sequel? Or do they just keep re-selling a slightly improved version of SSB4 forever like Street Fighter? Should a fighting game like Smash adopt the content addition of dynamically changing games like LoL?

I say no. I say Nintendo shouldn't emulate companies like Capcom or EA.

I say they should release Smash Bros 4 once they reach ultimate satisfaction with the game - drop it like it's hot - and put the team to work on more exclusives that can help the WiiU while leaving a small group behind for patches to fix bugs/huge balance issues.

Don't really care what they do with Smash for the 3DS because that thing prints money.

 

[Deap]

but they keep interest in the game alive

They don't see the game the same way smashers do. Smashers will play the game for years,talking about it, competing in tournaments,etc. In the other hand common people and o people who play games will not interested in competition. Just look at other fighting games, who keep those games alive? their respective communities.

 

[Starcutter]

Stage, item, extra game mode dlc - good.

Character DLC? AW HELL NO

 

[PLATINUM7]

They don't see the game the same way smashers do. Smashers will play the game for years,talking about it, competing in tournaments,etc. In the other hand common people and o people who play games will not interested in competition. Just look at other fighting games, who keep those games alive? their respective communities.

When you talk about Smashers, are you referring to just competitive players or are you including more casual players as well? A couple of my friends aren't that into Smash but still play Brawl every now and then for various reasons (love of Nintendo, have friends around, bored, feeling nostalgic). Would you call them Smashers or not?

 

[JediLink]

For what it's worth, many fighting games do character DLC and it's never been an issue for the competitive scene. Just make them Pichu tier and you're all good.

 

[soviet prince]

the staff should get paid for there work after development, and just because content is made after the game does not make it a less complete game

 

[smashbro29]

When the game is out you can determine if it worth the money.

Later they may ask for more money for more stuff and you can decide if that is worth it to you or not.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

ALL of killer instincts characters are DLC

 

[Deap]

When you talk about Smashers, are you referring to just competitive players or are you including more casual players as well? A couple of my friends aren't that into Smash but still play Brawl every now and then for various reasons (love of Nintendo, have friends around, bored, feeling nostalgic). Would you call them Smashers or not?

competitive players. I have friends who like smash but that doesn't make you a smasher if that was the case, then everyone who bought brawl,64,melee is a smasher.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

ALL of killer instincts characters are DLC

Yeah, the game's basically one giant ass season pass. One of the many things that made the new game a buzzkill for me, as awesome as it looks visually and stuff. Then there's the fact you can only play the classics if you get the forced bundle Ultra edition.

Though I doubt Sakurai would do something like that or anything, it's because of practices like that (what you said) that part of me is kinda wary about Smash having DLC. At most though, I wouldn't mind Smash having a season pass with only like a handful of new characters assuming they happen quite awhile after release to prolong the life of the game, but otherwise...

Probably not happening anyway though.