SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
dk is underrated XD, also link isn't that good wtf
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why is ness < kirby
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PitMasta
Smash Journeyman
Ness > Kirby always and forever!!
Superstar
Smash Champion
Thank you for showing me my point. XD
Also, Ness isn't Pit. What do I mean by that? I'll let people guess.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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I...really don't think your tier list is accurate...~_~
But then, this isn't a tier list discussion. Funny how we always come back to this when we get to character comparisons.
But then, this isn't a tier list discussion. Funny how we always come back to this when we get to character comparisons.
Superstar
Smash Champion
Lol, that's for proving my point as well. XD
I know the list is ********, read the rest of the post.
It's basically saying that ranking on usage/threat in metagame is a bad idea for SSB64, cause the scene is so small. It also makes ranking character skills hard, because people know very little about all chars and are "throwing darts".
I know the list is ********, read the rest of the post.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Isai's link is so much different from any other human playing him though. Isai playing characters throws the tier discussion off kelter. At least for me sometimes. Except when I see his pikachu I'm confident pikachu as top tier character is certain.
Superstar
Smash Champion
Who mentioned Isai? I just went by what I see being used effectively and stabbed in the dark. Too few people play SSB64 to any reasonable level. XD
i was only mentioning Isai to just give a reason why pikachu is so good. He was wondering why pikachu was so good.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Isai is not the reason pika is good
Thread has become dumb!(started that way too i suppose)
I was just giving an example of someone who uses pikachu really well.......its not the reason.
Pikachu is good for having the only really good recovery in smash 64, has incredible priority, and has some of the best aerial combos and setup moves in the game.
Kirby is still incredibly good but good pikachu's are just berserk.
Another big reason is that pikachu's grab>>>>>>>kirby's grab.
The Star King
Smash Hero
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I have a bad feeling about this thread....
WTF? Easiest recovery to edgeguard in the game?
Leaves you open, you will be PUNISHED if you overuse.
Too bad they both suck.
Doesn't really do much to someone recovering.
Lol...
They both suck. And other characters don't?
So does Kirby =/
Kirby is really easy easy to combo with, up-tilt is easy to land/ has invisible/ starts combos/ traps in shield stun. Camping works really well, multiple jumps, good edgeguarding, priority, among other reasons.
Superstar
Smash Champion
Again, usmash is a combo move. Pops up the opponent quite nicely, and can be done after a DJC uair at mid percents [and after a utilt at lower].
Everything else, I completely agree.
SuperMetroid44
Smash Lord
... While Ness is trying to use " PK Thunder ", Kirby can easily spike him or hit him before he recovers...
Superstar
Smash Champion
Or wait for him to finish and bair him off.
His recovery is so bad that it's the only reason many people have for Ness sucking.
His recovery is so bad that it's the only reason many people have for Ness sucking.
Winston
Smash Master
eh? it's like half the reason.Or wait for him to finish and bair him off.
His recovery is so bad that it's the only reason many people have for Ness sucking.
The other is that his on the stage game isn't the greatest either. ^__^
like it would certainly make him much more of a threat if he had an average recovery, but I doubt he'd crack top 4...
Kirby is that big pink blob everyone hates. It skipped Melee and in Brawl it has blue skin. I personally think why Ness is so good on the tier list in the first place is because it has more ways to perform 0- Death combos since isn't that really what happens in this game most of the time? Also has anyone seen Sima play Ness. Hes insane. Also a good ness rarely gets caugh don't they
Finally don't belive that list, it brings no good to anyone.
And i suck alot and this is based on me seeing sima play
Finally don't belive that list, it brings no good to anyone.
And i suck alot and this is based on me seeing sima play
SuperMetroid44
Smash Lord
I'm a good Ness Player, I should know 
greenblob
Smash Lord
Hey, look at it this way. The main reason Link is Bottom Tier is because of his recovery. Ness is getting off easy.
Superstar
Smash Champion
The only reason people mention. They usually don't mention his approach, which is why he's supposed to play a defensive game rather than an offensive one.
Which is another way of thinking about matchups. Those good at forcing an approach, like Mario, have an advantage.
Link has other problems. Bad grab, for example, and can't edgeguard as well as he'd like [cause of recovery, Ness has range on recovery so he can go farther, just can't get past edgeguarding opponent. Can still edgeguard though, just not teh best]. He has some sick projectiles though.
Which is another way of thinking about matchups. Those good at forcing an approach, like Mario, have an advantage.
Link has other problems. Bad grab, for example, and can't edgeguard as well as he'd like [cause of recovery, Ness has range on recovery so he can go farther, just can't get past edgeguarding opponent. Can still edgeguard though, just not teh best]. He has some sick projectiles though.
Winston
Smash Master
I don't think that it's those who force an approach per se so much as those who can handle the approach/first hits from neutral position game overall. But yeah, that is the other reason why Ness ain't so great.The only reason people mention. They usually don't mention his approach, which is why he's supposed to play a defensive game rather than an offensive one.
Which is another way of thinking about matchups. Those good at forcing an approach, like Mario, have an advantage.
Link has other problems. Bad grab, for example, and can't edgeguard as well as he'd like [cause of recovery, Ness has range on recovery so he can go farther, just can't get past edgeguarding opponent. Can still edgeguard though, just not teh best]. He has some sick projectiles though.
Link can edgeguard fine, can't he? He can certainly take out sweetspotters with fsmash or ftilt, he can jump out nair for close range, and he can throw boomerangs to disrupt recovery. I mean sure, he's not Pikachu, but that's not what I usually think of when I think of Link's weaknesses.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
moar Ness sux?!¿
Ness is good, ya'll dunno what'cha talkin' bout'.
Ness is good, ya'll dunno what'cha talkin' bout'.
Winston
Smash Master
Yeah by this point I'm really wondering why we end up talking about it so much.
I mean I like discussing the topic fine but it's been done to death, yet here we are.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
if by one person you mean the people at the top of a competitive community then you're right
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
The tier list in ssb64 is irrelevant.
there aren't many good ssb64 players out there compared to say, great melee players. You can't pull up enough consistent statistics, and some players just dominate too much in their respective countries, you know who you are.
Ssb64 is pure fun since 1999
there aren't many good ssb64 players out there compared to say, great melee players. You can't pull up enough consistent statistics, and some players just dominate too much in their respective countries, you know who you are.
Ssb64 is pure fun since 1999
greenblob
Smash Lord
What's wrong with comparing characters?
And we could make a decent SSB tier list if Isai weren't so god**** good.
And we could make a decent SSB tier list if Isai weren't so god**** good.
Winston
Smash Master
we can still make a decent SSB tier list. It'd be lots better than the Brawl tier list =P
we just can't make a perfect tier list like the Melee one.
But Dylan is right in that the tier list is irrelevant. haha
but you're right in that it's fun to discuss matchups and things, at least for some of us =)
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
I like matchup discussion 10000000000000x better than tier discussion. We should have a sub forum for every single matchup, who is with me???
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
We need to get people who know what they are talking about to sit down IRL and chat, and play smash as we talk about it...the interwebs suck
Obvious troll is obvious
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
I dont think he is trolling, House is pretty respectable imo, and i agree with him! "Ok!"
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
Ness is... original. And weird. Even weirder than that Italian shroom-eating shell-throwing plumber.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Yoshi is weird, and FAT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8eQ1FdxEEA&feature=PlayList&p=EAFB8A25B6099B75&playnext=1&index=26
FIYA BALLS? YUMMM! *cracked out eyes*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8eQ1FdxEEA&feature=PlayList&p=EAFB8A25B6099B75&playnext=1&index=26
FIYA BALLS? YUMMM! *cracked out eyes*
Superstar
Smash Champion
Yeah. PK Money = greatest attack ever.
In Earthbound, you get a PSI named after your favorite thing. I put Money, and it was lol. Ah yeah, and Ness doesn't talk, except in Magicant when you talk with yourself. Your only attacking spells are PK favthing and PK Flash. Other than that, Ness' primary use in Earthbound is the defensive tank/team support. Later in the game Ness should rarely IF EVER attack.
...lol at similarities.
In Earthbound, you get a PSI named after your favorite thing. I put Money, and it was lol. Ah yeah, and Ness doesn't talk, except in Magicant when you talk with yourself. Your only attacking spells are PK favthing and PK Flash. Other than that, Ness' primary use in Earthbound is the defensive tank/team support. Later in the game Ness should rarely IF EVER attack.
...lol at similarities.